We may be among the last generation of airline pilots

pilotdreams · Post by **pilotdreams** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:41 pm

scopiton wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_powered_aircraft

Cool... just need a civilian version. Problem solved.

"To shield the flight crew, the nose section of the aircraft was modified to include a 12-ton lead and rubber shield
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_X-6

Looks like we have that 12 ton problem solved http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle

skat0r · Post by **skat0r** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:19 pm

I told someone I was going to be a pilot next year and first thing he said was oil his vanishing, in some few years, there will be no more planes in the sky...

Kinda freaked me out..because it's kinda true..

What do you guys think?

Hope they will make planes that runs with water.......

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:29 pm

Read some books, decide for yourself.

Oil Man · Post by **Oil Man** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:31 pm

Then I recommend getting a type rating on a horse and buggy.

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:31 pm

Don't have a panic attack just yet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofuel

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/b ... 695912.ece

Dr. Mcillicuddy · Post by **Dr. Mcillicuddy** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:40 pm

[quote="skat0r"]I told someone I was going to be a pilot next year and first thing he said was oil his vanishing, in some few years, there will be no more planes in the sky...

Kinda freaked me out..because it's kinda true..

What do you guys think?

Hope they will make planes that runs with water.......

[/quote Ever hear of rubber bands? They come from trees

Invertago · Post by **Invertago** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:18 pm

I thought they'd at least give you real advice about shitty pay, poor working conditions etc if they wanted to discourage this career path.

v6g · Post by **v6g** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:19 pm

I don't think oil's running out - but there's some pretty convincing evidence that the cheap stuff is just about all gone.

skat0r · Post by **skat0r** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:33 pm

Invertago wrote:I thought they'd at least give you real advice about shitty pay, poor working conditions etc if they wanted to discourage this career path.

yeah i already now all of that

man being a pilot looks wonderful

baron_dude · Post by **baron_dude** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:07 pm

People are such alarmists. Even if we have reached peak oil, we aren't going to run out tomorrow or ever even. What remains is going to cost alot more and that may limit flying, but aviation is still going to exist just may be different than it is now. Just like the world, may not look the same in a million years, things change!

sky_flyer · Post by **sky_flyer** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:09 pm

I dont know if i would want to be onboard something which nucs on it can anyone say chernoble????

I think that biofuels might be a better idea i think i read a thread on here one about that

what does everyone else think????

Invertago · Post by **Invertago** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:15 pm

Just watch, suddenly drip drip drop... all empty!

We'll never run out of oil, we'll just reach a point where it takes 1 barrel of oil to produce 1 barrel of oil, then it won't be worth it anymore. By then we'll be burning hydrogen, biodiesel, or just powering our vehicles with happy thoughts.

v6g · Post by **v6g** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:18 pm

baron_dude wrote:People are such alarmists. Even if we have reached peak oil, we aren't going to run out tomorrow or ever even. What remains is going to cost alot more and that may limit flying, but aviation is still going to exist just may be different than it is now. Just like the world, may not look the same in a million years, things change!

And therein lies the dilemma - will the world still need hundreds of thousand of pilots, or just a few hundred?

Invertago · Post by **Invertago** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:40 pm

v6g wrote:
baron_dude wrote:People are such alarmists. Even if we have reached peak oil, we aren't going to run out tomorrow or ever even. What remains is going to cost alot more and that may limit flying, but aviation is still going to exist just may be different than it is now. Just like the world, may not look the same in a million years, things change!
And therein lies the dilemma - will the world still need hundreds of thousand of pilots, or just a few hundred?

Guess you haven't heard of the coming pilot shortage eh...

square · Post by **square** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:58 pm

Well, you, for one, can't say Chernobyl, no.

VikVaughan · Post by **VikVaughan** » Sun May 10, 2009 11:15 pm

People love to worry!

They have already run a jet engine on a 30/70 mixture of synthetic kerosene, and more recently, a 50/50 mixture, with no modification to the engine. With slight changes, a jet engine can run on 100% synthetic kerosene biofuel. There is also synthetic gasoline and diesel for piston engines.

The caveat - it takes a lot of energy to manufacture. Fortunately, we have a lot of nuclear resources available. Since a plane can not be directly powered by nuclear energy, this is a promising alternative for its indirect use. The fuel produces less pollution when burned too.

Planes aren't going anywhere. The thing is - people are reactive in nature. They prefer to address things after they become a problem, rather than in anticipation of them. Changes like this won't ever really take off until they are truly needed, and the balance sheets dictate their necessity.

fleet16b · Post by **fleet16b** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:49 am

Most of this is fear mongering bullS**t.
Remember the enrgy crisis in teh 70's, that right we were suppose to out of gas long ago.
Much like the Global warming crap , maybe partly true but mostly a load of crap.
Just more ways of putti g fear into the masses.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:27 am

The fuel crisis of the 70's was due to an oil embargo from the Saudis. About the same time the USA reached its own peak, and has been steadily dropping production while increasing imports.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:35 am

Most of this is fear mongering bullS**t.
Remember the enrgy crisis in teh 70's, that right we were suppose to out of gas long ago.
Much like the Global warming crap , maybe partly true but mostly a load of crap.
Just more ways of putti g fear into the masses.

....Yup, that's right, just fear-mongering.

As opposed to delusion which says that ~ 1000 barrels of oil a second can be pumped forever

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:59 am

Fortunately, we have a lot of nuclear resources available. Since a plane can not be directly powered by nuclear energy, this is a promising alternative for its indirect use. The fuel produces less pollution when burned too.

Do we have a lot of Uranium available? I'd like to see some #'s on that. However, it too, will be used up eventually - and probably sooner rather than later, and then what? It seems really foolish to me to spend billions going down a dead-end road, when we could start ramping up production of renewables now, and save ourselves and our grandchildren the headaches of how to dispose of the radioactive waste and buildings that Nuclear power will leave behind.

the professional · Post by **the professional** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:34 am

There is no need to worry,

As long as you work hard and accept change you will adapt and have work.

Bank tellers many years ago feared the ATM, it would take there jobs, it was quite the reverse it increased the banking workforce in huge numbers and huge pay increases for those who advanced.

People will always need POWER, it may just come in another form.

The dilithium crystal is making a comeback!

fleet16b · Post by **fleet16b** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:38 am

North Shore wrote:
Most of this is fear mongering bullS**t.
Remember the enrgy crisis in teh 70's, that right we were suppose to out of gas long ago.
Much like the Global warming crap , maybe partly true but mostly a load of crap.
Just more ways of putti g fear into the masses.
....Yup, that's right, just fear-mongering.

As opposed to delusion which says that ~ 1000 barrels of oil a second can be pumped forever

Everything runs out eventually , including oil but not in you and your kids lifetime......

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:08 am

According to the book the “long emergency”, the planet has about 100 years of Uranium (U-235) that could support all our electrical needs in current old technology power plants. More if we recycle the spent rods or build more “breeder reactors” that use widely available U-238 (much greater supply). U-238 is more dangerous and the spent fuel can be used for bomb making and gives off poisonous radioactive gas. Then there is the issue of dealing with this radioactive waste, but that’s another topic.
In my opinion, going nuclear is the only viable option thus far.

2R · Post by 2R » Mon May 11, 2009 9:15 am

The looming pilot shortage will force the airlines to use robotic auto-pilots with the added bonus of no pension required for the autotronic version.The upside is that the telemetary is now available that would allow the human pilot to sit in the comfort of his/her home and monitor several flights on long flights further reducing costs that will be passed onto the consumer

ilovelamp · Post by **ilovelamp** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:41 am

skat0r wrote:I told someone I was going to be a pilot next year and first thing he said was oil his vanishing, in some few years, there will be no more planes in the sky...

Kinda freaked me out..because it's kinda true..

What do you guys think?

Hope they will make planes that runs with water.......

If thats the case, I think many many people will be out of a job, not just pilots.

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