Cash to passengers for delays

[crazy_aviator]

Pratt, your welcome to drop by anytime , however , i live about an hour north of Toronto . It would be a Privilege ( I learned that in Websters) to be a host

[swordfish]

crazy_aviator proudly proclaimed:

your welcome to drop by anytime....a Privilege ( I learned that in Websters)

You're getting there dude, but you still have a short way to go....

[crazy_aviator]

I have finally been caught by the spelling Police !! What am i to do ?

[swordfish]

Grab a Four-X, siddown with the real men, talk about the hosties on QANTAS

[bmc]

I forgot to add new high costs for airlines that are on the horizon. SESAR, the Single European Sky ATC program to revamp ATC, coupled with NEXTGen, the North American ATC revamp, is going to cost airlines roughly $20 billion globally.

Throw the cost of meeting emissions standards for carriers flying to/from/within Europe from 2012 and other countries standards that will emerge in the years ahead.

Airlines were never intended to make money.

[double-j]

What do you expect?? This MP introducing the bill is an NDP. These clowns whole reason for existing is to take money from the haves and give it to the have-nots

It has a snowballs chance in hell of passing..

[lilfssister]

I dunno...to the unknowing traveling public it likely makes sense?

I think an email to the MP involved makes sense. You KNOW John Q public does not understand the ins and out of air travel.

[bmc]

You KNOW John Q public does not understand the ins and out of air travel.

You're absolutely right.

[Amateur Turbines]

Totally ridiculous!

I just went to his website and there is a complaint department related to this! I suggest every one here fill out the online survey!

http://www.jimmaloway.ca/airline.html

[canpilot]

Okay..

So when the pax. are late can we charge for our time? When I'm sitting in line waiting for takeoff and i'm number 10 can I charge for that? I'm sure TC will love to pass this bill.. cause hey pilots need more pressure!!!!! Where is this guy's website? I agree with others on here.. we need to say something to this fellow.. gotta love people who have no idea as to the workings of aviation who are making up law governing aviation.. what bunk..

wups got it .. i see the link above

[Airband]

Airlines sound alarm over passenger rights bill

February 10, 2009 - Globe and Mail

Canada's airline industry is warning that a passenger bill of rights envisaged by a New Democratic Party MP threatens to send airfares soaring and throw flights into chaos.

Winnipeg MP Jim Maloway introduced his private member's bill Tuesday in Ottawa, prompting swift criticism from the National Airlines Council of Canada.

With severe weather a common occurrence in Canada, it would be counter-productive to penalize airlines that scramble to keep flights on schedule even during ideal conditions, said council president George Petsikas, who is also Air Transat's director of government and industry affairs.

“The airlines are getting hysterical and exaggerating,”

[SkyWolfe]

Screw the website..

CALL EM! I did..


I asked what they defined as and airline/ air carrier.. 703-705.. and they hadn't considered that.. Nor the impact/slippery slope and or even legal costs to the smaller ops. or ops in general. eg. legal etc. The MP/ representative didn't seem to versed in the operations of the aviation industry. The attitude I got on the phone was pretty darn condescending as well.. they seemed like they * the flying public* is entitled to something from the industry.. and that we as an industry don't GARA about our pax.

CANPILOT.

[canpilot]

So...

I see Mr. Malloy or whatever his name is was spouting off more nonsense to the press. Apparently, he's upset about the flight cancellations to Mexico and says this is FURTHER JUSTIFICATION for his bill ...and that under his plan each pax would be entitled to 1,000. What hogwash!


When it comes to swine flu cancellations " The bill (would) handle this very very well....the penalty for the airline not complying would be 1,000 payable to the customer"

Please, Please, phone your local MP

Glad this is gonna come out of my wage!

[Jastapilot]

Makes sense, after all, I'm sure the airlines are canceling flights against their passenger's wishes. Once again, the market has spoken, and the businesses have adjusted accordingly. The NDP can go screw themselves.

[canpilot]

No doubt!

You would be suprised at the mentality.. Global BC news showed a vancouver couple who'se wedding was cancelled due to sunwing vacations cancelling trips to mexico. The couple is quoted as saying " Sunwing took our dreams away from us...we were excited to get married ..to be spending the rest of our lives together..and then SUNWING took it all away"

Come on..cause im sure the airline wants to loose money in one of the worst financial meltdowns and in the face of what could become a pandemic Yes, I'm sure the airline is taking a personal strike against you and your wedding! Dear lord, if they (the pax want to go down there.. why don't they get a bicycle and a backpack) Why should the airline.. jepordize the safety of others.. the crew and the community.. for someone's wedding? How dare those people go on T.V. and slam an airline because of common sense.. Because I'm sure the world health organization and the CDC is making all this up..

What gives the pax the right to do and blast the airline on national t.v.. for an act of god? Sunwing, just like i said.. supply em with a bicycle and backpack and tell em to have at er!
end rant...............................

[orbit]

"You would be suprised at the mentality.. Global BC news showed a vancouver couple who'se wedding was cancelled due to sunwing vacations cancelling trips to mexico. The couple is quoted as saying " Sunwing took our dreams away from us...we were excited to get married ..to be spending the rest of our lives together..and then SUNWING took it all away"

See your point canpilot....This post and the one were .Maloway.... a moron; well it's easier for me to call him moron as when the shoe fits he ought to wear it,
Ok my point last I checked pilots have the discretion wether to go or not to go and sometimes these decisions are not easy to take....I need to talk to my communist PM suggesting that pilots last I checked wether it's safe to go or not NOT ATC or airport to see if we can fly or caueses a delay ..we are in this soup or whatever?
don't they realize it is their misreable lives at stake when we make those dececions? that I feel we do not discriminate on life all is precious..not the f.. money and votes!
Have they really lost it? to regulate someting that is working well as can be ?
To ad perhaps they should regulate air fares as delays are caused by mechanicals as I hear...this is because as I understand flight from Vanc to YYZ is still $400.00 as was in 1974 so where is the profits never mind paying the rent????
Let them check that then the rest will fall into place!
I am only stumbled really how Ryan air can fly so cheap..I know most of the time they fly out of airport in the middle of nowhere so you cost is still the same not to mention your time and $$$$$$$$$

[canpilot]

I see yours as well..

Are you surprised that the NDP would have the idiocy to conjure this up?

In fact, I brought up that very point with my local MP.. and he agreed 100% .. that this legislation would push pilots more than they already are.. Delays are a fact of life.. If you don't like the rules.. get off the plane and ride your bike!

I talked to a representative from Malloway's office.. I asked the question " who will these rules apply to ?"-702/03, 704,705? And apparently it will apply to all carriers! The representative didn't even know what 705 meant?

Can you imagine the carnage in an already under regulated part of the industry? If this applies to 702-704 even 705?

Obviously these rules were made my a complete moron who decided to make a private member's bill based off of a knee jerk reaction to the events of this winter ..which were once in decade..if not more.

I really wonder if we will actually see this go through..

[mbav8r]

Everybody, if you don't support this bill then I urge you to go on the ndp website,
http://www.jimmaloway.ca/airline.html and fill out the survey. Here's what I wrote;

The amount of compensation in your bill is ludicrous. And certainly is above what most people pay for the travel in the first place, with exception to last minute travel arrangements. Maybe the bill should allow the airlines to charge the airports for the delays, as I find, during times of inclement weather, the delay is usually do to airport operations and their ability to handle the traffic. There`s often a delay after ``pushback` due to flow and atc restrictions and if the airlines are expected to anticipate these delays and leave the passengers in the lounge, just where are they to put the incoming aircraft while the gate is being occupied. If this bill goes through, the airlines will have no choice but to increase fairs and thereby making air travel inaccessible to the vast majority of current travelers. So in the name of protecting the consumers you are reducing the consumer pool. Ever heard of you get what you pay for, well maybe you should look at the actual price of a ticket from Toronto to Vancouver and then compare it to traveling on Greyhound bus. Air Canada and westjet have an identical fare for June 1 of 232.75 including fees and taxes while greyhound bus is 238.35 departing the same day and it takes 3 days 15 hours and 25 mins to complete this trip. I personally feel that if you want air travel to continue to be accessible to the masses, then this bill needs to be abandoned. After all what’s worse, a delay of a few hours, or 3 days on the bus? Because if the airfares go up, the people most affected will be the ones who can just afford to fly now. I wonder how they will enjoy their bus ride. I should point out I am biased, as I do work for one of the airlines in Canada. I hope to be able to keep my job and don`t see that happening if this bill makes it through. I see a lot of job losses as airlines will have to cut to keep in line with the drop in travel due to the increase in fares. Please feel free to dispel any of my points, as I would love to have some reassurance, I`ll still be employed in a year.

I also sent a copy to my local mp, asking them to vote no. I outline some serious safety concerns, because we all know there are operators out there that would pressure pilots to go now. Can you imagine if they were facing fines for delays, how much pressure would there be then?

I feel that if there is enough negative feed back from people opposed to this, they will abandon this for the sake of not losing votes. Our jobs may depend on this!!!

[Herc_Driver]

It has a snowballs chance in hell of passing..

Unfortunately not. It passed 2nd reading on Friday 15 May and now it goes to the Transportation Committee for further study. One more reading to pass (the 3rd) and then on to the Senate. The fact that it "barely" passed (139 votes to 131) just shows that Maloway played his game very well - something like this will work in a minority Govt setting.

However, I'll hold out for more positive thinking and hope that pressure from NACC will help people to see what this privat emember bill really is.

Double-j, I hope you're right. I hope this thing fails at the 3rd reading. Fingers crossed.