"Cub Survives Crash, Pilot's Career May Not"

L1011 · Post by **L1011** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:46 pm

I really don't know what to make of this....

Cub Survives Crash, Pilot's Career May Not

Civil fines and a possible court injunction that would prevent future acquisition of a pilot certificate may be sought for 26-year-old Edwin Stoltenberg, who crashed his father's Super Cub on a sand bar in Alaska last weekend. Stoltenberg may have been at the controls, but he is not a certificated pilot, nor does he hold a valid medical, according to Alaskan NBC affiliate KTUU. The channel reported Thursday that Stoltenberg was denied his medical in August of 2008 because the FAA found he had three convictions for drunken driving and has since acquired a fourth. According to the NTSB preliminary report, witnesses say the young man made several passes on the river, maybe as many as five or six, touching the aircraft's wheels to the water before contact with a sand bar flipped the aircraft. Although on a river in Alaska, the precise area of the flight was populated at the time with at least one family and two other children who were fishing. After the wreck, one young man approached the inverted aircraft saw Stoltenberg inside and heard his first words, "Don't call the cops." But the drama doesn't end there.

After extracting himself from the aircraft, Stoltenberg reportedly called friends to the site; they used an off-road vehicle to flip the aircraft and tow it to the trees before police arrived. Later on, the young un-certified "pilot" returned to the scene and allegedly flew the aircraft home ... which is an excellent testament to Piper, but has different consequences with the FAA and for the NTSB. The FAA is investigating a number of violations represented by the incident and it appears action may also be sought against the young man's father, if authorities can prove he had any knowledge of his son's intentions prior to the incident.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/a ... tml#200304

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:53 pm

Invertago · Post by **Invertago** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:11 pm

That'll buff right out...

Just another canuck · Post by **Just another canuck** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:12 pm

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:13 pm

Even for Alaska, that's pretty bold.

beaverbob · Post by **beaverbob** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:15 pm

WOW, HOLY SHIT,

MrWings · Post by **MrWings** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:18 pm

If this happened in an Adam Sandler movie, you'd laugh and then tell your friends "that's so fake it could never happen like that."

snowshoe · Post by **snowshoe** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:22 pm

It seems to me that this guy hasn't been too concerned about his "career" up to now. So, I could probably think he won't be too concerned about it in the future. It's amazing how many people you'll meet over the years who won't be "certified'---for one reason or another. I guess it's just a problem for them if they get caught or have some kind of serious wreck.

GilletteNorth · Post by **GilletteNorth** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:40 pm

snowshoe:

I guess it's just a problem for them if they get caught or have some kind of serious wreck.

That's the exact sort of thinking why drunk drivers continue to drink and drive as well, and with 4 previous convictions... you're absolutely right.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Mon May 04, 2009 2:33 pm

By the sounds of things we are not dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer here. It takes a lot of luck for a real idiot to stay alive in the long run... as this proves.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon May 04, 2009 2:52 pm

I am completely gobsmacked - actually, I am speechless (but not printless)!

Couldn't they just shoot him? WOS.

A2G · Post by **A2G** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:42 pm

I bet he was drunk when flying too

black hole · Post by **black hole** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:06 pm

Hey: Hold my beer; and watch this!!!!!

BH

Strega · Post by **Strega** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:10 pm

Ive never understood the waterskiing thing,, I wonder how many planes get wrecked by pilots trying to do this..

Just another canuck · Post by **Just another canuck** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:15 pm

Strega wrote:Ive never understood the waterskiing thing,, I wonder how many planes get wrecked by pilots trying to do this..

I agree... but I remember a flight instructor once told me how they used to do it all the time. Students did... for fun.

Accident waiting to happen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDBbmedrgk

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:41 pm

I wonder how your insurance company would look at a claim for wrecking a land plane trying to water ski?

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:58 pm

Dude! Where's my plane?!

Topspin · Post by **Topspin** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:49 pm

Related, what does a DUI do to your ability to fly in Canada? Is this a, "You are no longer trustworthy scenario?"

Just another canuck · Post by **Just another canuck** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:51 pm

Topspin wrote:Related, what does a DUI do to your ability to fly in Canada? Is this a, "You are no longer trustworthy scenario?"

I know a couple guys who've kept their license after getting a DUI... I'm pretty sure they had to come up with quite the convincing argument though. And this was their first offense. I think the judge may laugh if you showed up with a second DUI and asked to keep your pilot's license.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:10 pm

A DUI has zero bearing on a Canadian pilots license.

I had one and the only difference it made was I had to get a crew member to drive me to and from the airport.

Just another canuck · Post by **Just another canuck** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:16 pm

Cat Driver wrote:I had one and the only difference it made was I had to get a crew member to drive me to and from the airport.

How long ago was that Cat? I'm not sure if it's that simple anymore.

Prairie Chicken · Post by **Prairie Chicken** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:55 am

A DUI may affect your pilot licence. A conviction under the Criminal Code for DUI will result in a prohibition order not to operate a motor vehicle. An a/c is a motor vehicle as defined under the CC.

Having said that, each judge has discretion & may permit you to continue to operate an a/c—it will be specified in the order. Frequently though, the issue of a pilot licence never comes up & is never questioned unless an accident occurs or something similar brings the matter to the front after the fact.

Another issue is that a DUI is a criminal conviction, and would come up on a security check. Such a conviction could (unlikely for a single conviction, but conceivable) prevent issue of such items as a passport.

It's been this way for as long as I can recall.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:59 am

How long ago was that Cat? I'm not sure if it's that simple anymore.

1980.

As far as affecting any license, permit, authorization besides my drivers license there was no other effect.

As well it did not affect me getting a security pass for Canadian airports nor did it affect any police criminal checks for foreign visas which I have for dozens of countries.

ragbagflyer · Post by **ragbagflyer** » Tue May 05, 2009 8:13 am

Wow, only in Alaska eh. I hope this guy isn't a commercial pilot. That said, I'd rather see him bombing around in a super cub than driving on the road. Plus, the eventual end result should be cheaper then jail!

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Tue May 05, 2009 8:55 am

Ask the paraplegic guy in BC who couldn,t drive his electric wheelchair. that said the prohibition is motorized vehicles ie: no boats, planes, cars etc.... however they will normally only suspend your DL unless your dumb enough to telll them your a pilot.

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