Avionics, Maint Release

[ourkid2000]

Hmm,

Maybe I'm confusing people here. In that particular case, the way that situation would go is that the apprentice would sign the logbook stating what he did.........the licensed M ACA would sign at the bottom. I don't think the E license has the scope to cover that.

If the avionics AME had an electrical snag that he then rectified, as of right now they just sign off the logbook and case closed. No type course or anything required for this privileged.........no M signature required anywhere.......airplane back into service. The guys where I work question this because they feel the E should have a type course in order to sign it off.

[HS-748 2A]

Hmm,
If the avionics AME had an electrical snag that he then rectified, as of right now they just sign off the logbook and case closed. No type course or anything required for this privileged.........no M signature required anywhere.......airplane back into service. The guys where I work question this because they feel the E should have a type course in order to sign it off.

Then there's nothing wrong with it at all. No type course, no M lic., and no endorsement required.

[still_bluenoser]

On the job training if records are kept also counts as "training".

If you know an aircraft "system" than you know that system on multiple aircraft. Changes are often very minor.


I dont think I'd need a type course on a Long Ranger to fix an encoder snag if I've been trained on altitude encoder systems on a Navajo. But I wouldn't want a Navajo M guy turning wrenches on the Long Ranger.

[ourkid2000]

Then there's nothing wrong with it at all. No type course, no M lic., and no endorsement required.

Booo.....

Oh well, no courses for us then!

[still_bluenoser]

If your working in a company with a fleet of aircraft than yea, they are cheap. But I used to work at an avionics shop and understood not having type courses on every aircraft I worked on.

[log sheet]

airplane back into service

Ourkid, this statement is your whole problem, we don't return the airplane back to service. The maintenance release is for the work accomplished. If a Nav Receiver is replaced that is what gets released. If a Phase Inspection is completed, that is what gets released. If a light bulb gets replaced ,that is what gets released.
As long as the AME is signing a maintenance release for something which is covered under his/her scope that's it.
As far as the Type traing requirement, still pretty sure Speciality is not Type Limited, but hey go to your Local Transport office if it's close by and inquire, that's what there there for.

If the company you work for now is not willing to invest a little money in you with a some training, personally I would move on. We have M1 and M2 A/C and our company requires a Type Training at least once, even for the M1 A/C.
Cheers!

[Unit 969]

Where I work we use this as a guide to tasks that can be signed by an "E" license. And an "E" license would find very little information for them in any type course I have taken. As a matter of fact it would be hard for them to pass the engine portions.


http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/maint ... Rating.htm

[Vickers vanguard]

Where I work we use this as a guide to tasks that can be signed by an "E" license. And an "E" license would find very little information for them in any type course I have taken. As a matter of fact it would be hard for them to pass the engine portions.


http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/maint ... Rating.htm

hard to pass the engine portion ? you must be kidding yourself , do you ??.

[ourkid2000]

I don't think I ever updated this thread....

Last year, as a result of a Transport Canada audit, our company now has to have its Avionics people type trained to sign a maintenance release on our fleet.....

That being said there are some exceptions:

Let's say you have the Honeywell autopilot course and a Dash 8 comes in with an autopilot snag which you then fix.......well you can sign that work off, aircraft goes flying. If you do not have the autopilot course, an AME-M that is type certified with autopilot course must sign the maintenance release.

Basically your systems training determines what you can release. Now, if you have a full Dash-8 type endorsement course and you are an AME-E you can sign for anything covered under the scope of your license. Interesting huh?

[Wrench]

The way i deal with this is i make it so its a stand alone defect for the E or S guy. I make a separate entry stating such and such removed to facilitate E or S repair. That way i sign for the maint side of things on one page and the E or S guy can sign for his work on another. Almost every job out there requires some sort of maint action therefore it requires a my name at the btm. Thats just the way i see things.