WestJet Agreement 2.0

[Rotten Apple #1]

I'm not an idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETv3NURwLc

[giligan]

WJ700,

I don't know why you would call me an idiot,

numbnuts.

That is a fair statement. I did not elude to the fact that WestJet is the best possible job. I enjoy working here but I think that is far from the truth. I knew what I was getting into when I started and still enjoy going to work. If that changes I will stop. Read the negativity above. He is truly disgruntled. Tell me that does not affect his health and his performance at work. If I truly felt that way I would leave.

A better job could be a lot of things to a lot of people. More pay, more or less time off, bigger planes, shorter legs, seasonal, regular hours or perhaps a place where you "respect your peers and management". The bottom line is that whether you are a first year fo or a member of the royal family if you don't like your job then you should find a better one (ok I'll dumb it down for all of us idiots) I mean better for you, in your own personal way for your own personal reasons (which as stated above could be any number of things.) Thanks for the benefit of the doubt.
gil

[ivanhoe]

[quote="WJ700"]"if you are truly that unhappy here then you should find a better job"

Why is it that we have so many idiots that pull this ignorant line?


Perhaps , because for someone who has such a low regard and lack of respect for his collegues , WJPA representatives and management , that it would be the logical thing to do.

[Ryan Coke2]

Frog legs,

Go somewhere worthy of you, and somewhere you are wanted. Cuz' ya ain't here with that attitude.

Ryan 'Idiot' Coke


PS I've never used the 'then go somewhere else' line before, but it rare situations it really does fit.

[Red1]

If you don't like something, you can do two things: leave, or try and change it. If you try and change it and know one is with you, go back to option one.

On a much more positive note.. This is a good agreement.

[jjj]

Frog Legs,

So the previous agreements were good enough for you to leave your old job and come work for us.

We have great improvements and pay raises coming down the pipe that far exceed the expectations of the agreement you were hired under - but now all of a sudden it isn't good enough for you?

[Mustard]

I think someone peed in the kool aid.

[twinpratts]

Nice work to the WJPA, and everyone envolved.
Now let's roll up our sleeves, and get thru this $hithole of a time in the industry .

[hercdvr]

First of all, I don't work for Westjet, but after reading this topic there is something I want to say.
For all the negative people who view this contract as a negative thing,not enough for us blah blah, you have to look at the small steps that hopefully a contract brings. You will NEVER get it all in one shot, most contracts never have giant leaps in pay or working conditions, but if you look at each contract over the years you should hopefully begin to see a trend, and usually it is a positive one.
I work for an airline that has had its up's and down's over the years but I can truly say that having been represented by the third contract in my time here I can say that my working conditions are a lot better than they were in 2000 when I started. And for all the nay-sayers and unhappy people, you do have a option, sign up and help out on the next one. I did and find it to be quite rewarding, either sit and complain or I challenge you to do something about it.

Congrats Westjetters on a new contract

[WJ700]

I'm trying to defend Frog Legs attitude. I just hate the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' that more than a few like to spout off. With that logic... 40K per year for a new hire pilot would be acceptable from 1996 to 2036.

[KAG]

This contract will pass and then we can all go back to focusing about on the more important things in life...like which fishing hole will produce, or what to BBQ/drink tonight.

[ivanhoe]

[quote="WJ700"]I'm trying to defend Frog Legs attitude. I just hate the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' that more than a few like to spout off.


Really...?

Unless you are willing to stand up and fight for what you want (pissing and moaning on an internet forum does'nt count) , then why would you want to stay and work under such terrible people and sweatshop conditions? I say "fill yer boots bye" if you think the grass is greener on the other side , we will all be better off for it.

[Four1oh]

C'mon Ivanhoe, what's wrong with deciding something needs improving, and fixing it? Our company is in a constant state of evolution, you won't recognize the place when this 4 year agreement expires, is it really that bad to try to improve an existing contract? Was it really that bad that so many had expected and/or hoped for something in V1.0 that wasn't there?

Hercdrvr is right, it can't all get fixed at once, and anyone who thinks they can 'get it all' in one shot will be sorely disappointed.

V2.0 is a step forward in the RIGHT direction, and we'll have some things changed DURING the next 4 years, and then we'll move forwards again!

Cheers, Previous "no", now a "Yes".

[mikeecho]

C'mon Ivanhoe, what's wrong with deciding something needs improving, and fixing it? Our company is in a constant state of evolution, you won't recognize the place when this 4 year agreement expires, is it really that bad to try to improve an existing contract? Was it really that bad that so many had expected and/or hoped for something in V1.0 that wasn't there?

There's a pretty big difference between being an individual with the conviction and commitment to step up and address an issue and make improvements as compared to an individual who looks down upon and makes disparaging remarks about our ramp agents, management and the WJPA negotiating committee.

Anyone can do the latter (especially on an anonymous internet forum), while the it takes someone with heart to do the former.

[Four1oh]

C'mon Ivanhoe, what's wrong with deciding something needs improving, and fixing it? Our company is in a constant state of evolution, you won't recognize the place when this 4 year agreement expires, is it really that bad to try to improve an existing contract? Was it really that bad that so many had expected and/or hoped for something in V1.0 that wasn't there?

There's a pretty big difference between being an individual with the conviction and commitment to step up and address an issue and make improvements as compared to an individual who looks down upon and makes disparaging remarks about our ramp agents, management and the WJPA negotiating committee.

Anyone can do the latter (especially on an anonymous internet forum), while the it takes someone with heart to do the former.

Good point, I agree wholeheartedly.

[El Comat]

Did the 1st and 2nd year FO pay change in the new agreement? Also, any talk of real bases outside of YYC?

Congrats WJers, hope you raised the bar for those of us in contract negotiations as we speak!

EC

[WJ700]

I'm trying to defend Frog Legs attitude. I just hate the 'go somewhere else if you don't like it' that more than a few like to spout off.


Really...?

Unless you are willing to stand up and fight for what you want (pissing and moaning on an internet forum does'nt count) , then why would you want to stay and work under such terrible people and sweatshop conditions? I say "fill yer boots bye" if you think the grass is greener on the other side , we will all be better off for it.

I really have to give up typing and get a transcription company to help put out my thoughts lately. I meant to say: I'm 'not' trying to defend Ivanhoe's attitude.

I'm trying to defend the right to push for change; in an intelligent way of course. I get quite sick of the "If you don't like it, leave" people (which is a small, but annoying group). After this agreement passes, WestJet will now have one of the highest starting pilot wages in Canada. I think it will be quite rewarding to go to work with a new hire, see him enjoying his or her new job... AND earning a survivable starting wage. In turn, that forces Air Canada, Transat, Sunwing ect. to raise their starting wage, and improves the bar for experienced pilots in Canada over all. You wouldn't get that change with the 'if you don't like it, leave' crowd.

[ivanhoe]

There's a pretty big difference between being an individual with the conviction and commitment to step up and address an issue and make improvements as compared to an individual who looks down upon and makes disparaging remarks about our ramp agents, management and the WJPA negotiating committee.

Anyone can do the latter (especially on an anonymous internet forum), while the it takes someone with heart to do the former.[/quote]


Exactly my point. Thanks.

I have no problem with those looking to improve conditions. I have a HUGE problem with those that are sitting back and disparaging those who are actually doing so. Let's face it...there are some that are way out in left field and will never be satisfied (even at WestJet). I would prefer that type to take their corrosive attitudes elsewhere so the rest of us can get on with doing what we do best.

[WJ700]

Seems I've come under some sort of typing retardation... Froglegs... not Ivanhoe with the attitude...

I'll go back to lurking as posting pre-coffee, or apre-beer is not working for me lately. Out to enjoy the sunny Westcoast today.

[balfour]

Did the 1st and 2nd year FO pay change in the new agreement? Also, any talk of real bases outside of YYC?

Congrats WJers, hope you raised the bar for those of us in contract negotiations as we speak!

EC

Don't have the numbers in front of me but going by memory,the first and second year f/o pay went up by 44% and 38% respectively. Nothing on bases yet. There has been a promise from Durfy to look into how/if the ports can be improved. Good luck on your contract!