No Solo Multi Engine Rentals

[Shiny Side Up]

But, as Cat pointed out.....way less wear and tear on a nice two hour cross country than some low time (on twins) instructor pulling more MP than necessary five or ten times an hour when the student calls "max power, gear and flaps up......"

I'm not really sure how this is figured. Is there that big of market for super experienced pilots out there who want to rent twins? The way I've seen it the main people who want to rent a twin are those same few who the above are maligning their poor ability as pilots - low time, low experience pilots who are usually figuring on getting an hour or two in an attempt to make their resume stand out, or in that long shot attempt to increase their multi time. Lets face it, working pilots who are qualified for the most part don't feel the need / can't afford to be out burning holes in the sky this way. Secondly, are you going to place a restriction on the renters that they aren't going to be doing circuits? What guarantee are you going to have that your renter isn't going to do a few if you do restrict it?

Times have changed (not always for the better) and insurance companies and company bottom lines now rule. Aviation is now simply business. The days of flying a couple hundred miles for lunch are long gone.

Aviation has always been a business. The bottom line has always ruled. The problems that general aviation iare having today are directly related to the fact that too many pilots have treated their job like a hobby, rather than a job. After all, how many flying schools started out as a club?

I used to have two airplanes that I was able to rent on a fairly regular basis. Make that three. An Aztec and 310 owned by a kosher gentleman in YYZ. He was a great chap to deal with.

Which of course then begs the question: Is he still doing it? If not, why did he stop? You'll probably find the same answers as the above topic has discussed.

[just curious]

Actually not for the usual reasons. He died.

[Hedley]

That's a pretty good excuse.

[_dwj_]

Someone did a belly landing here yesterday in a Baron. It now has very impressive curly propellers. Apparently the engines only had 50 hours on them since the last overhaul. Commercial pilot was doing a touch and go, and the nosewheel collapsed during the landing roll and it scraped along the tarmac for 1000 feet. Looks very expensive.

[bluenote]

what if you owned an airplane like the geronimo apache and did regular cross country flights where aspiring young pilots wanted to build the time with the owner flying side by side for fun? You would charge a dry rate and keep the airplane flying. Does this make sense?

[Trapper]

Hey Doc,
The kosher gentleman in YYZ, would he happen to have the initials of GZ.

[Helmet Fire]

If the flight school only has one or two twins it doesn't make much sense from a business standpoint to rent them out. If fresh multi-rated Joe goes out and lands her gear up then the rest of the students at the school are out of luck on getting their multi rating for a while.

[YOWza]

The only flight school twins I've seen land gear up had instructors on board. Does that mean anything? Maybe, maybe not, after-all I've only seen a handful... Wait, maybe it has taught me that the average instructor teaching ME ratings is far too inexperienced.

It means that there's no flight test requirement to teach this rating, and there absolutely should be one, like in the US. At least there would be some kind of screening. For a lot of inexperienced ME instructors, it's just "gettin' on the twin." Normally the 50 hours are gained "getting on the twin" to "do IFRs". There's a lot of ME instructors out there who can't even teach in a single engine properly, now they're up building time on the students' back. The expectation of these same instructors is that because they have a fresh group 1, they should be teaching IFRs. It's all formalities and absolutely no thought to how the student will benefit.

[JDW]

And to think that there was a time when this was possible
http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepMustangBurch.html

'A note from the new millennium: What you’re about read describes a warbird training situation that in today’s liability and cost-conscious environment sounds surrealistic and highly improbable. It is, however, true, and during the 1970’s Junior Burchinal’s school in Paris, Texas let you walk in, lay down some cash and fly everything from B-25’s to Mustangs to Bearcats and lots of stuff in between. We’re talking about actually soloing the airplanes, not just going along for a ride.

None of his airplanes were prize winners. In fact, some were pretty ratty and, when we put his Corsair on the cover of Air Progress in 1971, one of the high-buck members of the warbird community was very upset and challenged me personally and loudly at an airshow.

“How could you put Burchinal’s piece of sh*t Corsair on the cover and not ours?” He made sure everyone in the crowd heard his tirade.

I said, “Will you let me fly your Corsair?”

“Hell, no,” came the expected answer.

I grinned and said, “Junior will.” And walked away. Some of the listeners actually applauded.

It was a wildly naïve, unbelievable time that we’ll never see again. So, read on and welcome back to the dawn of the current warbird movement.'

This part really got me choked up
Although he has a basic outline, the actual course has to be custom-tailored to the individual's needs. Basically, for $1,800 (Ed: sit down before you read the rest of this sentence. You won’t believe it!) you get 10 hours of Stearman time, 10 hours of T-6 (five front, five back), two hours of Mustang, a couple hours in the B-25 and two in the Bearcat (or four in the B-25 to try for a type rating). He gets students of all possible backgrounds, from 100 to 10,000 hours, and he tries to work up to the talent and experience level of the student. If you have absolutely no tailwheel time, you'll probably start in a Citabria, figuring out what a tailwheel is for before he lets you into his Stearman.