GTA Area - wanna fly me to Harrisburg on Friday?

[Cat Driver]

But transports out to get you.

Before you make ignorant statements you should understand the issue.

and canada's system is worst than south africa duing appartide.

Yes, I believe it is because South Africa no longer practices apartheid, but Canada does.

Once again roger.roger if you have something to say at least comment on something you understand.

[Aviatard]

Got to love Avcanada. Ask a simple question and you can always find several people who will be a dick to you for no reason other than they can.

[goldeneagle]

The problem sully, you worded it all wrong, and the wannabe lawyers came crawling out of the woodwork.

You shoulda worded it like this, then, you'd be a hero.

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I am going to be renting an airplane later in the week to fly from x to y. Problem is, I'm not planning on flying the airplane home from y, and I need somebody to reposition the airplane back from y to x after we get there. If you are an aspiring young commercial pilot, and would like to spend a fun afternoon with 2 old time lazy corporate pilots, here's what it's going to entail.

a - you get to see first hand how we deal with US customs, and if you are so inclined, we'll even let you do the work, and we'll coach you on the proper way to get thru that mountain of electronic paperwork.

b - You will get to fly the airplane home by yourself, so, that's going to be PIC in your logbook. Bonus, if you want, we may even consider acting as _your copilot_ on the way down, and allow you to log double the PIC.

c - Lunch on the other end is 'on me', so, if you've never experienced it before, here's a golden opportunity to experience the 'thousand dollar hamburger' at my expense. (they used to call this the hundred dollar hamburger, but, that was back in the days when 10 cents bought you a candy bar too).

Oh, and by the way, I'm not sure what kind of airplane I'm gonna end up renting for this trip, but, more than happy to choose one that you will be comfortable with on the trip home.

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See, there you have it, the exact same offer, worded in such a way the stupid avcan wannabe lawyers dont have anything to gripe about.

Oh, and fyi, this thread is a classic example of why I dont find my way to the avcan site much anymore. Great offer you had there for somebody to get some first hand exposure to flying to/from the us, with a couple of 'old hands' along to guide the way, and pick up the tab at the same time. To bad the wannabe lawyers had to go pee in this bowl of corn flakes.

[canpilot]

I find it amusing..

Young pilots can talk about drinking,smoking weed on the job..

But when a genuine opportunity manifiests itself to learn from some high time drivers with lots of experience with transborder ops and flying in general everyone has a shit fit.

He clearly said he doesen't want to operate a chisel charter
and seemed to be going out of his way not to do so.. When I did my cross countries I tried to take as many high time drivers with me as possible. I learned tons!! And they helped me out along the way as well..

Now the same guys wants to chip in for gas, allow you to network for a few hours and buy you food..

Come on...

[Cat Driver]

canpilot the industry is driven by fear of breaking rules.

Rules are fine until you reach a point where it becomes almost impossible to keep up with all the rules and rule changes.

I am sure glad I am not just starting out in aviation as a career because it is becoming less and less enjoyable.

If Sulako had offered that opportunity to the pilots when I first started he would have been looked on as a real good guy who wants to help out the new comers to flying, sadly in today's world he gets trashed by people so cowed by the system they need knee pads to get around. ( and of course the knee pads are perfect for assuming the submissive position around the rule makers. )

[canpilot]

No doubt Cat.


I think some rules are there for protection however.. eg. VFR mins. and not flying 300 lbs over gross.. ....and guys flying shitfaced or stoned out of their minds in clapped out barely flying equipment.

But I do agree.. There is a big big difference between a chisel charter and a more experienced pilot like Sulako offering to help out another pilot. Eg. Sully has fun and goes where he needs to. While young pilot gains much needed experience , food in the tummy and two great contacts.

I don't know .. where do we draw the line.. "Good rules" vs. " bad rules"


At the same time.. Yes, Aviation is becoming extrodinarily regulated.. by both TC and our favourite group of people.. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES! I talked to one operator who had his underwriter take 4 weeks to approve insurance for a guy to fly a C206.. because the insurance company didn't want the " risk" associated with a lower time guy..

Maybe pilots these days lack the PDM to discern the pointless rules vs. the one's that will actually keep you safe? Or maybe pilots have gotten to the point where they don't GARA and need all these other middle men to keep them from filling body bags?

[Cat Driver]

I don't know .. where do we draw the line.. "Good rules" vs. " bad rules"

I don't know how to answer that canpilot.

I would be easy to advise you to follow all the rules, however the reality is even the regulators can not agree on what the rules mean in many cases.

We are then left with trying to do our best to comply and thus protect our licenses.....figuring out which rules are truly important is easy, because they are the ones that keep you alive.

The offer sully was making could have been seen to be in a grey area of the rules depending on how you look at it...but it is highly unlikely he was going to endanger anyone's life.

[Pratt X 3]

So, just to clarify for one of those "wannabe lawyers", if I get charged for breaking a Canadian Aviation Regulation, but it doesn't endanger lives or it's considered a pointless rule by an AvCanada expert, I should get up from my submissive position and fight it? Even though it is written in black and white and, as a pilot, I should know the boundaries that I operate in?

[Cat Driver]

So, just to clarify for one of those "wannabe lawyers", if I get charged for breaking a Canadian Aviation Regulation, but it doesn't endanger lives or it's considered a pointless rule by an AvCanada expert,

I assume you are directing this at me?

Can you point out exactly what regulation Sully would have been breaking?

As to the regulations and breaking of same get back to me after you have over fifty years in this industry and let me know how you never were in a position where you ended up braking some regulation.

I may not be an expert in your opinion but maybe we could compare our backgrounds in aviation and then examine the safety part.

['effin hippie]

Did I miss something?

Who has been flying shitfaced and/or stoned?

ef

[Pratt X 3]

So, just to clarify for one of those "wannabe lawyers", if I get charged for breaking a Canadian Aviation Regulation, but it doesn't endanger lives or it's considered a pointless rule by an AvCanada expert,

I assume you are directing this at me?

Yes, in part, that was directed at you. Just as I assumed that goldeneagle was directing the "wannabe lawyer" comment at myself, as I was the first poster to bring up the legality of what Sully wanted to do. You did mention the "endangering lives" part but the "pointless rule" part was posted by canpilot. Just trying to multi-task and debate more than one person with an opposing viewpoint at the same time.

Can you point out exactly what regulation Sully would have been breaking?

Sure. In my opinion, CAR 401.28(1) based on not meeting the requirement found in 401.28(2)(c) http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#401_28 Again, I can't take credit for discovering that as it was repeatedly referred to in the past posts I linked to in my first post on this topic.

As to the regulations and breaking of same get back to me after you have over fifty years in this industry and let me know how you never were in a position where you ended up braking some regulation.

Ok, I never said anything about not breaking regulations. I mentioned being charged and having to defend myself against said charge. In my poor attempt to try to get a point across, I was trying to say that disagreeing with, just as ignorance of, a regulation is not a defence.

I may not be an expert in your opinion but maybe we could compare our backgrounds in aviation and then examine the safety part.

In my opinion, you are an expert. You have seen and done things in aviation that many who read your comments and thoughts can only dream of doing. But comparing backgrounds would be pointless as mine is neither as lengthy nor as spotless as yours (please, no penis jokes! ). However, I believe that having experienced such a bumpy road in my relatively short career has given me some insight on protecting my licence as well as my livelihood. Some may call it paranoid but I would rather cover my bases (and my ass!) than subject myself as well as my family to some of the things I have seen and heard. And if I can help out others by pointing out things so they don't have to experience some of the negative crap that this industry can bring, I will continue to do so, even if that means I open myself up to the possibility being ridiculed or labelled.

[Cat Driver]

Pratt X 3, please do not take my comments as a personal dig at you as you seem to be one of the more professional people in this zoo that is Avcanada.

Having to defend yourself from charges by TC is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If I were to have been charged for every time I strayed outside of the rules they would have had to hire more inspectors to catch me.

I give you full credit for protecting your license and thus your ability to support you family.

Hope we are still friends?

Remember this is the absolute worse means of communication known to the animal kingdom so of course we are going to cross swords on occasion.

Now back to the regular fights.

P.S. ::

I know Sully and he is a credit to the aviation game....which aviation is just a fuckin game.

[Pratt X 3]

Aww, shucks ., you're making me blush. Thanks for the compliment. Friends again it is, at least until the next battle.

[ScurvyDog]

Ahhh the typical avcanada thread shot to hell.

Hey Sully how was your drive to PA?

We as pilots need to stop fighting each other and try to better this industry not sit and bicker about bs topics!