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[yyz monkey]

+1

Spot on c170. Well said.

[TAT]

Just my opinion, Management is missing the point here.. we have a large uneducated workforce making well upwards to 100,000 a year and in somecases +. Time for a correction..

[whiteguy]

Just my opinion, Management is missing the point here.. we have a large uneducated workforce making well upwards to 100,000 a year and in somecases +. Time for a correction..

Nobody is making close to $100,000 a year except pilots!

[yyz monkey]

... we have a large uneducated workforce ...

Well, when they routinely deny tuition reimbursement requests for us low-timers, it's kind of hard to get a decent education.

[c170b53]

"Management is missing the point here.. we have a large uneducated workforce making well upwards to 100,000 a year and in somecases +"
Ah... well maybe they are well aware of what they are making.

[aroundthewing]

Just my opinion, Management is missing the point here.. we have a large uneducated workforce making well upwards to 100,000 a year and in somecases +. Time for a correction..

Not this again?
$100,000 + for who? Rampies? Agents? Gimme' a break!!

[aroundthewing]

"Management is missing the point here.. we have a large uneducated workforce making well upwards to 100,000 a year and in somecases +"
Ah... well maybe they are well aware of what they are making.

Everybody knows what everybody makes! P/T make /start @ $9.50/hr. Advertise that !!

[c170b53]

Read the pilots agreement, unlike the IAM they obviously are smart enough to have professional negotiators, given the circumstances I believe they did well. Good for your team.

[torx]

Read the pilots agreement, unlike the IAM they obviously are smart enough to have professional negotiators, given the circumstances I believe they did well. Good for your team.

So.....you're anti-IAM and pro-....? Let me guess?

[yycflyguy]

Read the pilots agreement, unlike the IAM they obviously are smart enough to have professional negotiators, given the circumstances I believe they did well. Good for your team.

Nope, we do not have professional negotiators. We have pilots playing the role of professional negotiator. However, we did hire lots of professional outside help in this latest TA and their well paid advice was ignored. The TA is not good for this, or any, team.

Roadshows start this week people. Take it upon yourselves to be informed and know what has transpired over the past 3 1/2 months of "negotiations" and make sure you fully understand what your options are on this.

[c170b53]

You're right I'm not happy with my union and for good reason but its you, saying I'm anti IAM which I take from you post means something else. I attend meetings and voice my opinion unlike many but I'm far from a type trying to save the world from capitalists. I'm not happy that in this last agreement, the improvements (if you want to call them that) cater exclusively to ground handling whilst maintenance is shut out. Note that ground handling in this company gets paid far above the industry average while the mechanics are now the lowest in the industry. Getting a decent wage is what its all about but lets call it, the ground handling out numbers the mechanics and by not throwing a few crumbs to the guys at the back of the bus the IAM is just fueling ill feelings between the two groups and that's something this employer loves. Secondly the majority will vote on the contract that saves their jobs whilst the embedding into the contract the Aveos -AC MOA which will affect the employment of mechanics and not ground handling. And to top it all off there's an absence of language should CCAA be revisited (as far as I can tell) unlike the agreement the pilots have. So to get back to your comments, I'm unhappy that the company has easily manipulated this agreement to cause friction when really we need to have both sides on this galley pulling at the same time. It really won't make any difference in the end the majority rules but least be smart enough to keep the slaves happy. And finally the pilots are smart enough to get professional assistance which they pay for while we save money to send a guy off to Placid Harbour for a week and the put him up against the company's pros. So good for the pilots, they are keeping the company honest, can't say we are doing the same.

[torx]

Just wondering....what is the "industry standard" for Mechanics and Ground crews? And how do you arrive at the this "industry standard"?

[c170b53]

Yes in what we all know as the great race to the bottom the face of the industry is changing. In April I fixed an EMB in SFO, our US service provider employee was an EX United mechanic. He was laid-off from United lost part of his pension and was hired by a local firm to work on ...you guessed it United aircraft. This gentleman had a fam course on the Emb and was totally lost in the cockpit to the point that our pilots walked after the service providers attempt to fix things only made matters worse. That didn't really matter to him as he really didn't care nor did anyone else except of course to us. The industry down there is a mess and we will probably go that route up here only problem is as Robert has demonstrated, its much easier to take something apart than put it together. I now apologize to everyone for stealing this thread, I'll get off my box, we will now return you to the regular programing.

[Dockjock]

yyzmonkey,
Why is it Air Canada's responsibility to pay for your education? All due respect, go pay for it yourself like the rest of us did. Tuition reimbursement HA! Talk about legacy costs...

[yyz monkey]

Why is it Air Canada's responsibility to pay for your education?

It's not. I'm paying for it myself, out of my own pocket, despite the hardship that that causes. I'd just like to be able to take advantage of the program (even though it would only reimburse me 50% of my costs).

All due respect, go pay for it yourself like the rest of us did.

I am, I'm just trying to take advantage of what I can. Such as you might have done with student loans, grants & scholarships - all of which are unavailable to me as a continuing ed student.

[c170b53]

Our union posted the full agreement on our website and its a join agreement on the pension from the various unions. Thanks to the various parties we have better language than I what I could have expected from my union based on our last agreement. So to anyone that paid into a fund for that extra representation, thanks.