Re: SG...and so...let the games begin...

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Re: SG...and so...let the games begin...

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Muah hahahahaha!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:


Here's a little recent airline history for all you Jetsgo lurkers. It may be because of this, as well as the Intair bankruptcy that no one of any consequence in the industry or financial community has any faith in anything Leblanc says.

Check out Ontario Superior Court of Justice court file 01-cv-215820cm

Canada 3000 and Michel Leblanc, Roland Blais and Groupe Royal Aviation Ltd.

It was never settled due to the bankruptcy of Canada 3000 and the passing of John Lecky, the driving force behind C3000. As such, these are allegations. It's up to you to decide if "where there's smoke, there's fire".


Canada 3000 sued the defendents for $40,000,000 for fraud, negligance, breach of contract, conspiracy, fraudulent or intentional misprepresentation and/or negligent misprepresentation in respect of the financial status, financial statements and other financial records of Royal Aviation Inc.

To paraphrase:

C3000 states that during the meetings with Leblanc from Nov 23 2000 thru Feb 2001, Leblanc repeatedly and consistently represented to C3000 that Royal would earn a pre-tax income of approc $12.5 m for the fiscal year ended April 30 2001. Leblanc claimed that Royal would have a "blockbuster" fourth quarter ended April 30 2001. Leblanc knew or ought to have known that the aforesaid representation was false and that Royal's true financial position was such that it could not possibly report pre-tax income of this magnitude for that fiscal year.

Following the completion of the acquisition of Royal, Canada 3000 conducted a comprehensive review and analysis of books, records, ledgers and other financial documentation to which Royal refused to permit Canada 3000 access prior to the completion of the acquisition. Canada 3000 discovered very serious and substantial discrepencies between what Leblanc and Blais represented to Canada 3000 was Royal's financial position and the true financial position of Royal. Royals consolidated statement of operations was not formulated and prepared in accordance with GAAP, or even with specialized accounting principles applicable to a corporation carrying on business as an air carrier.

Leblanc and Blais made fraudulent misrepresentations regarding Royal's financial position which were material to C3000's decision to make the offer and complete the acquisitions. In the alternative, Leblanc and Blais wilfully, or in the alternative negligently and/or recklessy, failed to disclose material facts regarding Royal's true financial position.

Leblanc and Blais made fraudulent misrepresentations and non-discloures for the purpose of deliberately and deceptively adjusting the figures reported on the 3rd qtr financial statement as at Jan 31 2001 in order to make the pre-tax profit for the year ended April 30th appear to be very close to the income figure of $12,500,000 which Leblanc represented to C3000 during their negotiations. The aggregrate amount of these fraudulent misrepresentations, non-disclosures and financial adjustments totalled approximately $15.8m.

Unjustified adjustments totalling $9m, with no back up records to substantiate the adjustments. The adjustments had the effect of increasing pre-tax profit by $9m. Royal then caused all the adjustments to be reversed in the following monthly financial period.

Operating expenses were reduced by $1m by allocating them to start-up costs which were capitalized. There were no back up records to justify that these expenses were incurred.

Costs totalling $3m for maintenance of aircraft were not accounted for as operating expenses. Blais knew that the actual maintenance expenses had been incurred but failed to record these as expenses.

A sum between $500,000 and $600,000 as an insurance claim receivable. Royal had not submitted a claim to its insurer in respect of that amount.

A series of transactions where expenses were posted, then later reversed in following months, which all had the effect of decreasing Royal's operating expenses which, in turn, created the false appearance that Royal's pre-tax profit was
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That all sounds great, but it was up to Canada 3000 to verify the validity of Royal's books, not vice versa. I could put my car up for sale for $200,000 and if your dumb enough to buy it thats your problem.

Here's another one for you. Royal was going to buy Canada 3000 21/2 years prior. Leblance did a due dilligence, in the mean time paid fuel bills and employee's from Canada 3000 for nearly a month. He ended up coming to the conclusion that C3 was full of shit and said no thanks. He went on his own and leased a whack of 737-200's.

During the summer of 2001, Leblanc and Blais were fired. The money they received from the buy out from Canada 3000 stock. Canada 3000 blead to death during the summer and the stock was nose diving. As part of the deal the two couldn't sell the stock if they were employees. That stock would have been worth around 40 million at the time of their dismisal. Why do you think they were dismissed and what do you think the law suit was really over?
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pimper wrote:That all sounds great, but it was up to Canada 3000 to verify the validity of Royal's books, not vice versa. I could put my car up for sale for $200,000 and if your dumb enough to buy it thats your problem.

Here's another one for you. Royal was going to buy Canada 3000 21/2 years prior. Leblance did a due dilligence, in the mean time paid fuel bills and employee's from Canada 3000 for nearly a month. He ended up coming to the conclusion that C3 was full of shit and said no thanks. He went on his own and leased a whack of 737-200's.

During the summer of 2001, Leblanc and Blais were fired. The money they received from the buy out from Canada 3000 stock. Canada 3000 blead to death during the summer and the stock was nose diving. As part of the deal the two couldn't sell the stock if they were employees. That stock would have been worth around 40 million at the time of their dismisal. Why do you think they were dismissed and what do you think the law suit was really over?
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=5897
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pimper wrote:I'm curious as to whats going to happen when the AC/Jazz pilots have their 30 grand paid off and leave. Or when the industry turns around like it seems to be doing now and SG pilots take off for greener pasteurs when the 30 Grand is paid.
Why, are you planning to join the exodus as well?
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pimper wrote:I think you know there are lots of things that I could say about SG but I don't becuase it serves no positive purpose. I gave them 2 years to get their act straight which was up a while ago. There are lots of rumors about SG that are totally without merrit that seem to come from other carriers or the peanut gallery. For me it boils down to one thing, does the company allow me to take pride in my job? With that said, if something comes my way I will be on the first train out of here.
Pimper!! You are admitting you will/are leaving the very company that you have so passionately defended? All our heated emotionally charged arguments about SG and its working conditions and the 30K and everything else we discussed...and you are deciding to leave all that SG glory you so aggressively stood up for?

...This has caught me off guard!!! However I am happy that you are moving onto better yet sad that you contributed to polluting this industry and drove off without picking up your rubbish.

I guess it is true...there is nothing left to stand up for in this industry...no common decency...not to anyone else including the up and comers...or even to them selves.
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Apparently my snazy decoder ring is misfiring...care to expand WTF you are trying to say BD.

PS I know it is difficult for you without plagiarizing everyone else's ideas.
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As part of the deal the two couldn't sell the stock if they were employees. That stock would have been worth around 40 million at the time of their dismisal.
MLB was not allowed to sell the stock after he was fired. That didn't stop his wife and children from selling it though...
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Oh Yeah! Milton for example is an honest down to earth guy doing nothing but looking out for his employee's, eh! Someone please remind me. How many millions was the restructuring bonus him and his restructuring right hand man give themself while the rest of the employee's so far has taken anywhere from 15 - 25% paycuts in total. Was it 10 or 20?
And allthough no details were disclosed the biggest union at A/C announced yesterday it is taking management to court for negotiating in bad faith!
Anyone working for any airline whom has led him or herself to belive that their CEO is truly a good guy that care about anything other that $$$$$ need to come back to earth.
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To elaborate, I have worked for many a boss running companies of various sizes. I have allways gone to work hoping and beliving that hard honest work will be recognized and remembered when the "merde" hit's the "ventilateur" but so far I have been proven wrong in most cases.
When any airline starts to sink the CEO will allways be the first to take the money and run.
I can't help but wonder where Kinnear got the money to launch USA 3000?
I wonder if their pilots are wearing the same uniforms that he made his C3 pilots return after they closed their doors?
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pimper wrote:Apparently my snazy decoder ring is misfiring...care to expand WTF you are trying to say BD.

PS I know it is difficult for you without plagiarizing everyone else's ideas.

Tisk tisk...sticks and bones....

don't worry bro....it's all good man...I made a ton of mistakes. I have learned that admitting my mistakes in life lets me sleep well at night...It's no source of embarrassment...it only helps you to grow as a person.

So...take my hand...let me show you the way....to Birddog Salvation :lol:


xo TheDOG :twisted: :twisted:
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I can't help but wonder where Kinnear got the money to launch USA 3000?
I wonder if their pilots are wearing the same uniforms that he made his C3 pilots return after they closed their doors?
You don't think Angus Kinnear owns USA 3000 do you?

It's pretty standard for a court appointed bancruptcy monitor to demand the return of all company property (as was done in this case). Angus Kinnear had nothing to do with it.
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You did not get it. I can guarantee you Angus walked away from C3 with full pockets, hence my question as to where the funds to start a new airline came from.
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Rubberbiscuit wrote: hence my question as to where the funds to start a new airline came from.
England

I'm not just a pretty face you know. :?

Do the research...get back to me! :wink:
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Following the completion of the acquisition of Royal, Canada 3000 conducted a comprehensive review and analysis of books, records, ledgers and other financial documentation to which Royal refused to permit Canada 3000 access prior to the completion of the acquisition. Canada 3000 discovered very serious and substantial discrepencies between what Leblanc and Blais represented to Canada 3000 was Royal's financial position and the true financial position of Royal. Royals consolidated statement of operations was not formulated and prepared in accordance with GAAP, or even with specialized accounting principles applicable to a corporation carrying on business as an air carrier.

Leblanc and Blais made fraudulent misrepresentations regarding Royal's financial position which were material to C3000's decision to make the offer and complete the acquisitions. In the alternative, Leblanc and Blais wilfully, or in the alternative negligently and/or recklessy, failed to disclose material facts regarding Royal's true financial position.

C3 did their due diligence "Following the completion of the acquisition of Royal"...ask yourself, who was being "negligent and/or reckless"...no, I don't condone unethical behaviour on the part of the seller either (if that's what happened) but geez if ever buyer beware applied... C3, RIP...
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I don't have the time to research. I just heard through the grape wine that Kinnear was heavily involved in starting up USA 3000. If he did not have anything to do with the financing......well, you'll have to excuse me. I have a nut to go crack.
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Rubberbiscuit wrote: I just heard through the grape wine that Kinnear was heavily involved in starting up USA 3000. If he did not have anything to do with the financing......well, you'll have to excuse me. I have a nut to go crack.
Understood :lol:

BTW that 'USA3000' is/was old news from 3 years ago.
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pimper wrote:That all sounds great, but it was up to Canada 3000 to verify the validity of Royal's books, not vice versa. I could put my car up for sale for $200,000 and if your dumb enough to buy it thats your problem.
Not really, if you are selling a company and say it has assets of x dollars and debts of y dollars it has to be reasonably accurate or else it's fraud. When you're researching somebody else's books you can only assume you're seeing everything; if you're not, you've got em by the balls.

Of course we all know, no operator of any major airline would ever conceive of anything even faintly resembling unethical behaviour. BS
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Can someone clarify for me what happened to the CEO from C3?
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Angus Kinnear is running USA3000.
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Are you familiar with what transpired when C3 shut down?
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Just from the outside. However there are plenty of people frequenting this board that are ex-C3 and/or ex-Royal; so I leave it up to them.
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Thanks. I heard that the CEO of C3 closed shop up here and crossed the border and you confirmed that. I'm sure he's happier there!
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There was an article in "Airways" magazine about him and USA 3000 a couple of months ago.
http://www.airwaysmag.com/
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Thanks again. I know a couple of guys who fly for USA3000 and I didn't think this guy was one in the same, if you know what I mean. Maybe LeBlanc should cross the border and all his worries will go away like they did for this guy.
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