Bad Trip

[Lurch]

When you fly to other regions, or countries don't you think you would spend some time studying the route, maps, airspace, Airlaw, and any other relevant information?

Well it seems one poor excuse for an American pilot decided just to wing it. I don't think this idiot even cracked open a map. Probably just hit direct on his GPS and off they went. I hope they throw the book at him.

Edited to remove bad link, see post below.

Lurch

[lilfssister]

Link doesn't work

[Lurch]

Link doesn't work

Ok lets try this

CADORS Number: 2009C1769 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/07/11
Occurrence Time: 1716 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYXH Aerodrome Name: Medicine Hat
Occurrence Location: Vicinity Medicine Hat (CYXH) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 108740-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAlleged Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) infraction
Prohibited/restricted airspace violation
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: UNITED STATES
Make: BEECH Model: P35
Year Built: 1961 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Cruise Damage: No Damage
Owner: Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/07/13
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aviation Enforcement
Narrative: Medicine Hat FSS observed a VFR target entering CYR 205 Suffield at 1709z from the east at 4,200 feet. The aircraft flew through the restricted airspace and exited the west side at 1716z. CYXH FSS called Edmonton ACC to request tracking of the target as it appeared destined for Calgary. The ACC Shift Manager called at 1840z to advise that the aircraft had been identified as a U.S. registered private Beech 35 en route VFR from Williston, ND to Calgary, AB.

CADORS Number: 2009C1770 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/07/11
Occurrence Time: 1758 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYYC Aerodrome Name: Calgary Intl
Occurrence Location: Calgary Intl (CYYC) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 108737-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAlleged Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) infraction
Conflict - potential
Controlled airspace violation
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: UNITED STATES
Make: BEECH Model: P35
Year Built: 1961 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Cruise Damage: No Damage
Owner: Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/07/13
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aviation Enforcement
Narrative: A U.S. registered private Beech 35 entered the Calgary Control Zone without a clearance, passing 3 NM south of the threshold of Runway 34. COA 630, an approaching Continental Airlines B737, was restricted on the approach to Runway 34 due to the Beech 35, which was subsequently identified by Springbank Tower as it passed abeam CYYC and landed at CYBW. (This is the same aircraft identified in CADORS 2009C1769; 2009C1771 and 2009C1772.)

CADORS Number: 2009C1771 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/07/11
Occurrence Time: 1900 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYBW Aerodrome Name: Springbank
Occurrence Location: Springbank (CYBW) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 108741-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAlleged Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) infraction
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: UNITED STATES
Make: BEECH Model: P35
Year Built: 1961 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: No Damage
Owner: Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/07/13
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aviation Enforcement
Narrative: A private, U.S. registered Beech 35 landed at Springbank on a transborder flight from Williston, ND without a flight plan. (This aircraft is also the subject of CADORS 2009C1769; 2009C1770 and 2009C1772.)

CADORS Number: 2009C1772 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/07/12
Occurrence Time: 0000 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYBW Aerodrome Name: Springbank
Occurrence Location: Springbank (CYBW) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 108753-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAlleged Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) infraction
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: UNITED STATES
Make: BEECH Model: P35
Year Built: 1961 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Taxi Damage: No Damage
Owner: Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/07/13
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aviation Enforcement
Narrative: A private, U.S. registered Beech 35 taxied onto Taxiway Charlie from the Springbank Tower apron and the pilot made no attempt to contact Tower. The YBW Ground Controller attempted contact 3 times with no response. The aircraft then pulled into the ESSO ramp. (This aircraft is also the subject of CADORS 2009C1769; 2009C1770 and 2009C1771.)

CADORS Number: 2009C1778 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/07/12
Occurrence Time: 1613 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYBW Aerodrome Name: Springbank
Occurrence Location: Springbank (CYBW) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 108772-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAlleged Canadian Aviation Regulations (CARs) infraction
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: UNITED STATES
Make: BEECH Model: P35
Year Built: 1961 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: Engine Model:
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Climb Damage: No Damage
Owner: Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/07/13
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Aviation Enforcement
Narrative: A private, U.S. registered Beech 35 departed Springbank en route to Red Deer and the pilot failed to follow ATC departure instructions. Tower instructed the pilot to climb runway heading after departing from Runway 16 and not above 5,000 feet until cleared by the Controller. The pilot turned and headed north prior to receiving clearance. (This aircraft is also the subject of CADORS 2009C1769; 2009C1770; 2009C1771 and 2009C1772.)

Lurch

[lilfssister]

AWESOME!

I have seen two on the same aircraft in one-two day trip, but I think that is probably a record!

[C-FABH]

One only wonders if the crew bothered to bring their passport or clear customs for that matter.

[Sidebar]

5 x

O.P.I.: Aviation Enforcement

Let's hope enforcement can actually do something about this. Doesn't look like the SMS get out of jail free card will apply.

Try this going the other direction and they'll have an F-16 escort.

[Carrier]

Quote: "Narrative: A private, U.S. registered Beech 35 departed Springbank...."

Huh? Is there no enforcement and commitment to aviation safety in Canada? How could such a threat to safety be allowed to depart after so many infractions? Who is responsible for this dereliction of duty and being an accessory in allowing this aircraft to depart? The occupants and those who let them depart should still be in the slammer. Oh, I know, it's like the Third World, someone paid a suitable bribe to "solve the problem"!

[Sidebar]

Oh, I know, it's like the Third World, someone paid a suitable bribe to "solve the problem"!

Got some proof? Or is this just more of the "corruption" crap that keeps cropping up here over and over?

I'm having a hard time accepting the idea there's people in authority taking money they shouldn't be over something like this. Sure, I know it happens. Happened here in Manitoba with a couple of Health Canada weenies lining their pockets.

However, somehow I doubt anyone is going to stake their career on a few bucks some dopey private pilot flings around.

[Lurch]

Quote: "Narrative: A private, U.S. registered Beech 35 departed Springbank...."

Huh? Is there no enforcement and commitment to aviation safety in Canada? How could such a threat to safety be allowed to depart after so many infractions? Who is responsible for this dereliction of duty and being an accessory in allowing this aircraft to depart? The occupants and those who let them depart should still be in the slammer. Oh, I know, it's like the Third World, someone paid a suitable bribe to "solve the problem"!

Sorry, but they can prevent you from leaving unless you are facing legal charges and are under arrest. This is still a some what a free country.

I searched for any further reports on this pilot but nothing has turned up, so maybe they learned their lesson, or have been parked for a few days.

Lurch

[Strega]

Who Cares?

This is clearly some old chap that doesnt get the whole "ATC" nazi thing..

for the record the "controllers" at ybw are doucebags anyways...

[Invertago]

Reminds me of a Bonanza that came here from the US, decided it was ok to do his run-up and pre take off checks on the threshold of the only active runway. Then he proceeded to take off, and try to file his flight plan via the radio for his border crossing back to the US.

He back at the airport on the phone a few minutes later.

[Lurch]

Who Cares?

This is clearly some old chap that doesnt get the whole "ATC" nazi thing..

for the record the "controllers" at ybw are doucebags anyways...

Let me get this straight:

they are obviously old

They fly through a live fire area

fly 3 miles off the end of a rwy in class C airspace for one of Canada's busiest airports.

Doesn't file a flight plan for a trans-border flight

Taxi's without a clearance

Doesn't follow a departure clearance

And ATC are "Nazi's"

Sounds like somebody has a grudge

P.S YBW's controllers are nothing but professional, and I have never had an issue with them.

Maybe the same attitude you show on here also comes across the radio and you get the treatment you deserve!

Lurch

[Sidebar]

Who Cares?

This is clearly some old chap that doesnt get the whole "ATC" nazi thing..

for the record the "controllers" at ybw are doucebags anyways...

I care. This has nothing to do with "the whole "ATC" nazi thing.."

Whoever this was could have met a quick end cruising through CYR205 at Suffield. No problem if it's just some "moron" flying alone, but I've seen too many of these kinds of pilots take out innocent people who were with them and mistakenly trusted them with their lives. Then there's the issue of cruising through the arrival path of a major international airport. This is someone who should not be flying.

[Strega]

YBW's controllers are nothing but professional

As compared to what? Perhaps you need to travel to other airports with ATC and then you might have some benchmark to compare the ybw controllers to.

Im certain I am not the only one that feels this way.

[just curious]

I can just imagine his facebook pictures this week: Here's the Canadian Army guys on the ground, here's a Army Helicopter guy waving at me (really friendly people these Canucks!), Heres's a couple guys in a jet waving at me, Here's the guy in the tower in Springbank using hand signals to tell me I'm number one for takeoff.

[Mach1]

I can just imagine his facebook pictures this week: Here's the Canadian Army guys on the ground, here's a Army Helicopter guy waving at me (really friendly people these Canucks!), Heres's a couple guys in a jet waving at me, Here's the guy in the tower in Springbank using hand signals to tell me I'm number one for takeoff.

Given what the controllers at YBW are dealing with on a day to day basis, they are doing great. Oh, the things I have seen at that airport. Try stopping by Tim’s some day, pick up some doughnuts (as opposed to donuts) and coffee… go up and visit the cab at YBW and watch the entertainment from their side. Make friends.

I am guessing that this person at least let customs know he was coming… otherwise I am impressed that he didn’t wind up being detained for a while.

US ground control (and I use the word control very loosely). Not the same as in Canada where it really is control. You get instructions like, “Taxi in.” or, “Taxi to the runway.” Meanwhile, I am wondering if there is some specific route I am supposed to be taking. A whole different approach to ATC and military airspace in the US.

I wonder what his Canadian excursion is going to wind up costing him? I bet it is going to be a pricy trip.

[Cadismack]

Haha that's so funny. I did the doughnut things shortly after my first solo in YBW. I think it was my third solo flight. Total expectancy, but the controller told me to hold short and I thought it was a clearance to go to position and hold. So like a real dumbass I taxied onto the runway and the controller gave my an IMMEDIATE takeoff instruction, because without realizing it I had cut off another airplane on short final.

As for professionalism, there was no verbal abuse over the airways (unlike a few ATCs in the lower mainland). As a matter of fact I didn't even realize that I did anything wrong until landed and the CFI told me that I should consider the doughnuts.

Showed up with the doughnuts, rang the bell and announced that I had a peace offering and the response was "which one were you?". I thought that they were a great bunch of guys and were truly professional, even dealing with a dumbass new pilot like myself. I'm not sure where the 'unprofessional' comments are coming from.

[Strega]

because without realizing it I had cut off another airplane on short final.

is there something the matter with your eyes? Why would you call the tower to tell him you are short of the runway, ready for takeoff, when there is another plane on final? Do you think the tower can see that you are short of the runway? do you think they are so dumb, they would wonder "what could this airplane that is short of the active runway, that has told us on ground that they want to go flying, possibly want being short of the active runway"?

When I hear stuff like this I want to puke.

[shannon]

The guys at YBW have their hands full and then some. I've never seen anything but professionalism and patience. I don't think I could do their job without cracking up. All those flight schools, and so many people who don't speak English and don't understand the system. Madness!

[Cadismack]

umm ok Strega. Sorry for being honest on a anonymous forum.

Lets see, First I admit that it was a really stupid thing to do (hence buying doughnut).

Second, it was my third solo flight.

Third, thought the clearance was 'to position and hold'. Stupid I know. Thank god it didn't end badly. For this I feel very fortunate. Learning experience... definitely.

Yes, I remember seeing the aircraft on final. I thought he was close but out of expectancy thought that I heard a 'to position and hold' instead of a 'hold short' thinking that the controller was going to get me off before the guy landed. But common man.... Third solo... I'm sorry for making a mistake. Do you think I ever enter an active before checking? Do you think I except a clearance that I am not absolutely assured off?

My point is that the controllers there deal with a ton of student shit and are able to maintain a level of professionalism; something that in my short time in aviation I don't see happen at other busy training airports.

If sharing of my experience and willingness to admit my fallacy to prove a positive point makes you sick to your stomach then my sincerest apologies and thanks... thanks that there are expert aviators like you who have never ever made or had to learn from a rookie mistake.

Strega, you the man!

[Dave T]

First of all the CYBW controllers are great and I still cannot believe how they deal with what they do everyday. Students, private traffic, and now more and more IFR commercial traffic. I don't know why they were even brought up at all.

On to the original topic I have seen some really poor examples from some of our southern friends lately. I totally understand them being a little shakey with MF procedures but some of the stuff is totally unacceptable. The airplane in this CADORS should have been stopped for a serious talking to at some point. We all share the skies and some of the stuff I hear and see makes me nervous.

[flying4dollars]

This CADORS report disturbs me. Not only the complete disregard for common sense and airmanship displayed by the pilot, but also by the non-action from our system. This guy should not have been allowed to rack up so many cadors, especially of this nature.

Hmm...

as for YBW, never dealt with them, but just remember, everyone has their good days and bad days.

[Strega]

Do you think I ever enter an active before checking

Im gonna go ahead and say yes..

Keep living in your 172 world where there is nothing but ponies and pixie dust...

On your 3rd solo, you should be EXTREMELY dilligent with respect to clearances, traffic and doing everything 100%
This was not your fault, but the fault of the loser time building instructor that failed to train you. Hopefully you can see through the bs and learn.

[ScudRunner]

Quote: "Narrative: A private, U.S. registered Beech 35 departed Springbank...."

Huh? Is there no enforcement and commitment to aviation safety in Canada? How could such a threat to safety be allowed to depart after so many infractions? Who is responsible for this dereliction of duty and being an accessory in allowing this aircraft to depart? The occupants and those who let them depart should still be in the slammer. Oh, I know, it's like the Third World, someone paid a suitable bribe to "solve the problem"!

Sorry, but they can prevent you from leaving unless you are facing legal charges and are under arrest. This is still a some what a free country.

I searched for any further reports on this pilot but nothing has turned up, so maybe they learned their lesson, or have been parked for a few days.

Lurch

So if I ran across the border without notifying customs that doesn't violate any law of this country? Commit Multiple infractions of a states Air Regulations, put lives in danger by my actions this violates no law either? these are interesting developments. I would like to learn more about this Lurch could you provide case law documentation or a link that could enlighten us on this subject.

[Kilo-Kilo]

When did Clark Griswald get a pilot's license!?!