Cariboo Gear UP?

[osprey]

Just came across my rumor inbox

[Double Wasp]

Hey Osprey,
Could we get a bit more information such as where, when and which company? I don't know of any caribous in Canada but I know there are a few buffaloes.
DW

[Flybabe]

I think he was referring to the company, Wasp - Cariboo - as in North Cariboo.

I haven't heard anything about a gear up though, just clarifying perhaps.

[Beaver2509]

Apparently it was a King Air 100 landed gear up in YEG. Not confirmed however i did hear that no one was hurt.

[Double Wasp]

Thanks
DW

[Doc]

They are advertising for a King Air Captain, for a 100 in YEG, just today.....me wonders?

[kamdo]

Tracks from 02 Northbound, veering to the right.
Sorry for the low quality
Noob on site

[culver10]

Canola is looking pretty good there! Compared to many of the EXTRA dry areas. Nice pictures Kamdo! thanks

[mag check]

Why didn't they land on the centerline?

[snoopy]

Yikes!
Say.... any chance you could reduce the dimensions of those pictures Kamdo? Then the thread be S_T_R_E_T_C_H_E_D off the page....

[Geko]

He is a self admitted newbie to the site. If you were using Firefox you could just right click the images and then click view image. Or resize them for him but then I guess he'll never learn

[a3.14lot]

They are advertising for a King Air Captain, for a 100 in YEG, just today.....me wonders?

Doc, the 2 are totally unrelated.

[ScudRunner]

Why didn't they land on the centerline?

check the last pic they did, if you look at the cones set out (I assume by the TSB) you can see they mark the prop or the engine nacelles skid marks and it then veers off to the right.

Was this a controlled gear up due to mechanical issues or was this an oops?

[silentivan]

Why didn't they land on the centerline?

check the last pic they did, if you look at the cones set out (I assume by the TSB) you can see they mark the prop or the engine nacelles skid marks and it then veers off to the right.

Was this a controlled gear up due to mechanical issues or was this an oops?

I'm gonna stake a stab and say it was an oops. They were coming in high and hot, and the fire department wasn't waiting for them like they would if they had declared a gear malfunction. But you never know, the 3 green lights could have been lit up, but no physical hardware hanging from the belly.

[ditar]

But you never know, the 3 green lights could have been lit up, but no physical hardware hanging from the belly.

If that's the case and they didn't know it, it's still an oops. If one can't hear whether the gear extended in the 100, then they need their ears checked.

[Changes in Latitudes]

But you never know, the 3 green lights could have been lit up, but no physical hardware hanging from the belly.

If that's the case and they didn't know it, it's still an oops. If one can't hear whether the gear extended in the 100, then they need their ears checked.

What about if its actually locked? Can you hear that? Crew is innocent until proven guilty dammit.

[yycflyguy]

Isn't there a gear warning horn that sounds when greater than flap 2 is selected and the handle is not down? They definitely have flap hanging in the pictures.

[ditar]

What about if its actually locked? Can you hear that? Crew is innocent until proven guilty dammit.

I didn't intend to blame anybody for anything, just commenting on the one possibility raised (ie: three greens and no gear extended). That's why I used "one" instead of "they". You're right, maybe it wasn't locked. Maybe they bounced hard on landing and the F/O's knee caught the gear selector (I'm not actually serious). Who knows. I'll be the first to give the crew the benefit of the doubt. The aforementioned scenario seems rather unlikely, anyway.

Isn't there a gear warning horn that sounds when greater than flap 2 is selected and the handle is not down? They definitely have flap hanging in the pictures.

Yes, the gear horn should sound if landing flap is selected with no gear, and it cannot be silenced in that case.

[Flybaby]

If my memory serves me the gear horn is set at 77% N1 (switches on the power levers around 400ft/lbs), gear silence is disabled with flaps approach and the gear horn should sound continuously with flaps past approach.

[Lurch]

CADORS Number: 2009C1901 Reporting Region: Prairie & Northern

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Accident Occurrence Date: 2009/07/21
Occurrence Time: 2038 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYEG Aerodrome Name: Edmonton Intl
Occurrence Location: Edmonton Intl (CYEG) Province: Alberta
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 109184-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: 5 TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAerodrome or runway shutdown
Evacuation (aircraft)
Propeller/rotor strike
Unintentional gear up landing
Aircraft InformationFlight #: NCB188
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: BEECH Model: 100
Year Built: 1969 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: PRATT & WHITNEY-CAN Engine Model: PT6A-28
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: Substantial
Owner: NORTH CARIBOO FLYING SERVICE LTD Operator: NORTH CARIBOO AIR (1444)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/07/22
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: A North Cariboo Flying Service Beech King Air 100, operating as NCB 188, landed on Runway 02 at Edmonton International Airport with the gear retracted. The aircraft came to rest 50 feet off the side of the runway. Aircraft Rescue and Fire-Fighting (ARFF) responded and all 5 passengers and 2 crew exited the aircraft with no injuries. Initial information from TSB is that the crew neglected to lower the gear and when they pulled the power back in the flare, the gear warning horn sounded, followed quickly by the props striking the runway. TSB report to follow.

[culver10]

They were “maybe” way too busy bitching and complaining about how little money they “were” making and talking about starting up a pilot’s union, than worrying about some stupid, annoying gear horn??

[WHIPPER]

Very unfortunate to see... that the emergency response services vehicle broke down

But in all seriousness, glad no one was hurt and a good reminder that we all have to bring our A game every day, every flight, every leg...

[J31]

Isn't there a gear warning horn that sounds when greater than flap 2 is selected and the handle is not down? They definitely have flap hanging in the pictures.

Flap 2 Last time I flew the Beech King Air the flap travel was in percent. 30 % for approach flap and full down was 100 %.

[Red1]

Thats too bad..a least everybody was okay
one place I worked our SOP's (for the 100) where flaps 1,2,3 another 15, 30 etc.. all depends

[Doc]

Thats too bad..a least everybody was okay
one place I worked our SOP's (for the 100) where flaps 1,2,3 another 15, 30 etc.. all depends

Yes....a real stroke of luck! An "intentional" gear up landing and all we hear is "at least everybody was Okay...."
WHERE are these people learning to fly??? It's NOT Okay, just because nobody happened to get killed! Pilots keep "dropping the ball"! Who GARA what your SOP's were? If you FORGET the gear, you are a moron! Aw...."That's too bad...." It's WAY more than "too bad...."