Air Canada...??

[Mike B]

Anybody know if Air Canada ever considered ordering the A318 for short haul flights...??

Would look pretty cool in AC frosted leaf C/S....

[CelBatrin]

In my opinion, that stubby little caricature of an aircraft wouldn't look good in any paint scheme.

[Troubleshot]

Not unlike the 737-600...I guess these aircraft have their place but not versatile by any means.

[iflyforpie]

How soon people forget the 737-200...

Stubbier that the A318, the 737-500, and 737-600.

Versatile enough to make the second largest airline in Canada from nothing is less than ten years.

[Full Ins]

Didn't realize Jazz ever operated 737-200s.

[Troubleshot]

Oh well I didn't realize we were going back generations here....anyway WestJet used the -200 cause it was the best cheapest plane out there at the time and that's about it. You would not see a start-up airline choose the 737-200 today...maybe the -300,-400,-500.

I guess by versatile I should have been more clear...WestJet could not use the -600 for WestJet Vacation runs as a high number of vacationers would be missing a bag or two if the plane was full.

[flying4dollars]

In fairness to the OP, he mentioned short haul flights. Vancouver to Kelowna for eg or Calgary to Saskatoon is hardly a vacation for anyone to require them to carry a bag big enough to make a difference on a full flight or not.

[Troubleshot]

And in fairness to me I said they have their place but are not versatile... The only reason a mentioned versatility is the difference from the Airbus 321 to the 318 in passenger accommodation is to great to justify if you already have a fleet of 319/20/21 such as Air Canada (which is what he posted).

Now that is not to say if someone was to start a small airline and do only short haul (really short) it maybe a good choice...maybe not. I think the cost difference between A318 to a A319 wouldn't be great enough to take the smaller plane. Maybe some of the WestJet crowd can comment on the 737-600 compared to -700.

[bmc]

In my opinion, that stubby little caricature of an aircraft wouldn't look good in any paint scheme.

It doesn't. Air France is in here everyday with them and they look weird. Think how graceful and elegant a B747SP is. Sam ting.

[bobcaygeon]

Now that is not to say if someone was to start a small airline and do only short haul (really short) it maybe a good choice...maybe not. I think the cost difference between A318 to a A319 wouldn't be great enough to take the smaller plane. Maybe some of the WestJet crowd can comment on the 737-600 compared to -700.

The only benefit of 318 is for an operator with other 320 family a/c (fleet commonality) just like 737-600.

A small operator would be stupid to operate this aircraft as there only a/c type. The EMB190 family or BBD C-series is much cheaper to operate.

Is there a 737-600 operator out there that only operates this model?

[Mike B]

DID YOU ALL MISS THE ORIGINAL QUESTION....!!!!

[G3]

BA is going to commence A318 All business class from London City Centre to JFK early this fall. Hardly YVR-YLW. Before you jump all over this, westbound tech stop SNN, non-stop East Bound. Custom pre-clearance in SNN. Will actually be faster than LHR or GTW to JFK.

G3

[Mitch Cronin]

AC considered the 318 before deciding on the Embrio's.... They looked at 318's, RJ-705's (I think they were, or are?) and Embraer... (unless my memory is worse than I know?) much to the surprise of many, the Embraers came out the winners in cost effectiveness at the time.... Or at least, so one would be tempted to believe, since that was their choice... You'd think though.... that with a fleet of 320's, 321's, and 319's, that there would be huge savings in sticking to that type....?

[WetJet]

You would think that by adding some 318s at AC and some RJ 900 or 1000 at Jazz, an entire type could be eliminated. Would that not save the mothership a buck or two?

[harveymushman]

and the Embraer is cheaper to buy than the baby bus, but it is not that cheap to operate

[yycflyguy]

You would think that by adding some 318s at AC and some RJ 900 or 1000 at Jazz, an entire type could be eliminated. Would that not save the mothership a buck or two?

Scope prevents Jazz from operating those jets.

and the Embraer is cheaper to buy than the baby bus, but it is not that cheap to operate

The initial ticket price on the Embraer is MUCH cheaper than an airbus and the operating costs are much lower... sorry I can't quote you percentages.

[WetJet]

Scope prevents Jazz from operating those jets.

So change the scope by 15 seats so that the company can make money and everybody can keep their jobs??? I'm sure most of the Jungle Jet drivers would be happy to move up to the 320 payscale... Whatever, it'll never happen anyhow.

I'm sure I don't have the big picture.

[yycflyguy]

Scope prevents Jazz from operating those jets.

So change the scope by 15 seats so that the company can make money and everybody can keep their jobs??? I'm sure most of the Jungle Jet drivers would be happy to move up to the 320 payscale... Whatever, it'll never happen anyhow.

I'm sure I don't have the big picture.

So you think that by increasing scope that "jungle jet" drivers will make 320 payscale? I am curious to hear how they move up onto a payscale there are no seats available on. Quite the opposite would happen if Jazz was allowed unlimited seats. Most of the flying would move downstream to Jazz and there would be more pilots making Jazz wages instead of Mainline wages and the degradation of the profession would continue. All you have to do is see the differences between what mainline guys were getting on the RJ compared to Jazz before they all migrated downstream.

As far as the company making money, well the problem is definitely not in operations. Look at how value has been "unlocked" and sold off since CCAA. Making money is not AC's problem. Managing it is.

[Lost in Saigon]

AC considered the 318 before deciding on the Embrio's.... They looked at 318's, RJ-705's (I think they were, or are?) and Embraer...

They also considered the Boeing 717 at the same time.

Based on the Douglas DC-9 and launched as the McDonnell Douglas MD-95, the 100-seater was renamed the Boeing 717 after McDonnell Douglas and Boeing merged in 1997.

The Boeing 717 is a twin-engine, single-aisle jet airliner, developed for the 100-seat market. The airliner was designed and marketed by McDonnell Douglas as the MD-95, a third-generation derivative of the DC-9.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... EC-HOA.jpg

[WetJet]

I am curious to hear how they move up onto a payscale there are no seats available on.

By adding 318s? Like the original topic of the thread.

Yes a few airframes would be lost, but this is hypothetical and won't happen since the new scope to 2020 overpays Jazz to underpay their pilots. (according to the AC types)

Sorry about the thread hijack Mike B!