Montair

[mraviator]

Does anybody have any news on montair these days and the new base in pitt meadows. Any body know any of the interview questions?

[loopa]

Before we assess the interview question

Why do you want to work at Montair?

[speed demon]

They seem to have a great partnership with a company in China so there'll probably no shortage of work...at least at CZBB. But continue to hear time-after-time from past students and instructors that the owner/president is quite a tyrant--just to forewarn. Good luck.

[flygirl123]

Does anybody have any news on montair these days and the new base in pitt meadows. Any body know any of the interview questions?

They have a new base in pitt meadows??????

[Old Dog Flying]

YPK will become the PRC's Primery Flying School. It should be very interesting in the months to come if the extremely poor English in the zone has been any example.

[flygirl123]

YPK will become the PRC's Primery Flying School. It should be very interesting in the months to come if the extremely poor English in the zone has been any example.

PRC? New school at the CYPK?
I'v heard there are 2 other flight schools but never PRC.

[iflyforpie]

PRC? New school at the CYPK?
I'v heard there are 2 other flight schools but never PRC.

People's Republic of China.

[Old Dog Flying]

Re: PRC...I was trying to be polite!

[loopa]

With them operating out of YPK, I wonder how horrible the transits between glenn valley and ypk will be. Unless they choose to fly up at pitt practice area.

[Delta]

They seem to have a great partnership with a company in China so there'll probably no shortage of work...at least at CZBB. But continue to hear time-after-time from past students and instructors that the owner/president is quite a tyrant--just to forewarn. Good luck.

Bottom line, Montair is a horrible place. for both students and instructors. Dont be eager in trying to get a job there just because they have a (and I wouldnt say 'great') partnership with chinese carriers. That place is run by a couple of clowns whose only interest is making peoples lives miserable.

but they have full time chinese students? yes but they are saturated with instructors who mostly sit around. Owner is an abnoxious prick who has a puppet CFI who is just as arrogant and irrational sharing the same unethical and immoral ways of treating people and running a flight school going to extensive effort to ensure their instructors and students are unhappy and misberable. need i say more. i regret every min i spent there. ive been on the ramp for two years making enough to survive, I have weekends off and I regained my sanity and self respect. i may be waiting to fly by throwing bags - but im enjoying life.

[mraviator]

Does anybody have anything good to say about montair?

[loopa]

The information I have is oudated by about 3 years.

But, the operation is very organized and structured. The relationship between students, instructors, and the general tone of the staff seems like they are under a lot of pressure and there isn't a lot of "FUN" involved. It's down to earth seriousness, and crappy pay for a lot of expectations.

I do know however that the CFI has changed and that Ian is doing a good job; but I still hear the negativity coming out of montair; especially the failure rate amongst their multi ifr rides seemed to be a hot topic not too long ago.



The only thing you can do is to go there, check it out, and ask a lot of questions. Normally when you ask a lot of questions you will see if their patience level is sky rocketing. You wouldn't want to be part of a FTU that doesn't have patience when you're the one making them 60 000 dollars richer.

[PilotFlying]

mraviator,

There are plenty of good things to say about Montair. I worked there for 8 years, and loved every one of them. Mind you, it was a number of years ago now and times were very different, but the two 'clowns' the slightly-too-eloquent poster above refers to were certainly very present; these two individuals, however, were (and still are) class acts, and run a top-notch company that is among the best in every aspect. They do hold high expectations of their employees, and endorse a good work ethic - and this, unfortunately, has caused some bad experiences with lazy and unmotivated individuals over the years - but to call this 'unethical' and 'immoral' is just emphasis on my point.

My advice to you: don't take any of the emotional rants from the mis-informed individuals on this forum as fact, and go check the place out yourself. You can form your own conclusion.

Regards,

[loopa]

Pilot Flying Name edited by Widow - no names please!, I'm describing my experience from a students stand point and from some former instructors. I'm not lazy and it's kind of uncalled for you to indirectly say so. I'm doing very well these days as well, without attending Montair.

That being said, I did say some positive things about Montair because it's without a doubt, one of the most organized school's in Boundary Bay and soon in Pitt Meadows. I just found the student/instructor relationship to be kind of un-ethical and rude at times.

I find it Ironic that you find one of the two individuals a class act; open your eyes and see what almost everybody has to say about that individual. And it's not pleasant. But he did play favors for some people, you included; if you were one of the few that he loved, then you obviously have nothing bad to say about him. He provided you with shelter and food, so why should you complain.

But this is all history, what you or I think about him has no value for a person who is commencing flight training. We just speak from experience. So you might as well show the least class act you've got left by preventing any further flaming on this subject.

I just think that as a Ex montair employee, the fact that you go ahead and call me lazy, and eloquent sort of concludes what I had to say about instructor/student relationship and how there's a sense of rudeness at times.

Hows that A320 F/O job with ACA treating you these days anyway? Must feel nice to not ride bicycle controls like the Embraer.

[seatosky24]

I heard the horror stories of how awful the owner was and the company but I wanted to see for myself and "applied" there with no intention of ever working for them as an instructor. Sure enough, the owner verbally attacked me trying to get a rise out of me and did everything possible to "break me down" and see how much I was desperate for a job. I'd rather work for mcdonalds than them. I feel the students and instructors are getting the short end of the stick and shows how much sometimes instructors have to suck it up in order to get their hours somehow and the stuff they have to put up with. Don't go there, don't be an instructor for them, certainly don't do flight training with them.

[PilotFlying]

loopa,

My comments were not directed at you in any way, but to a previous poster who chose to use the least professional form of critiquing a place at which he/she used to work. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the place, but to resort to name-calling and disrespectful language in this way is uncalled for. The point to my post was that there have been many positive experiences at Montair, and those seeking an FTU should take the highly subjective material on this forum with a grain of salt.

I have no idea who you are, but you appear to know me well enough to address me by first name, accuse me of being favoured and rude, and then go on to question my class. Inappropriate at best, in such a venue, and certainly unappreciated.

Regards,

[loopa]

but the two 'clowns' the slightly-too-eloquent poster above refers to were certainly very present

The above poster was me, hence why I responded.

I regret ranting on about you; however, when ever somebody calls me Lazy, I get offended. Calling somebody lazy or eloquent is name calling as well; thus, you can't really say that name calling is uncalled for. Just as you weren't directly applying your post to me, I wasn't applying my comment about rudeness to you. I was using it as an example of how instructors may come off as rude at Montair. I know you very well and aside from being a top achiever in this industry through either Websters Award, or a degree from UBC, or creating your own engine, I hold countless amount of respect for you; I hope you understand now why I took such offense when you appeared to call me Lazy. Since you used "above poster" I thought that entire reply was to me.


Misunderstanding on my part and I apologize.


Happy Flying Dude !

[Stan Darsh]

PilotFlying you have a passive-aggressive stalker lol.

[loopa]

I know him from the flight school ! lol.

And his achievements are not hidden from the public, most pilot's know him.

[wabi101]

This company will reward you for hard work and kick your ass if you're lazy. (First hand experience)

Ps . That's how it works in the real world delta/loopa

[loopa]

This company will reward you for hard work and kick your ass if you're lazy. (First hand experience)

Ps . That's how it works in the real world delta/loopa

Exactly, good thing I'm doing well then ! Even in these economic times.

[speed demon]

Hey PilotFlying.... name edited...Lil

You were truly one of the most pleasant and helpful people I have met, not just at THAT organization but among any tenant at czbb. You're humble too...didn't know you had all of these credentials and awards! I think "they" were very lucky to have you. Sincerely wish u the best and take care!

[PilotFlying]

I am flattered by the votes of confidence - thank you. I had the the pleasure of working with many great individuals (students and coworkers) over the years at Montair, and for that I am truly grateful.

Back to the original question, I think wabi101 put it best:

This company will reward you for hard work and kick your ass if you're lazy.

This 'dose of reality' is a lesson that you really can't put a price on, and if you're lucky enough to learn it early on in your career, you'll go very far.

Regards,

[Delta]

This company will reward you for hard work and kick your ass if you're lazy.

[/quote]

Ok maybe I was a bit harsh at first. There were alot of great instructors but I could see that they were unhappy with the working condtions there. I was a student there a while back and I dont think I was necessary "lazy". However. . . . during my CPL training I had the "privilage" of doing a pre flight test with the CFI. I thought the flight went ok. . . sure i made some minor mistakes but i am human. After the flight the debrief consisted of me being torn apart about how pathetic and lousy i am at flying and that I will "never make it". I left immediately, went to another flight school, completed my cpl/multi/ifr, now still workin the ramp and occasional FO on a PA31 out east. now take that for what its worth but what twists my mind is that ive had some perhaps mediocre instructors who like me are trying to make it in this industry and build hours, but for an expereinced career minded instructor to destructively debrief me and tell me im pathetic is simply unprofessional. im sorry but WTF?!

[loopa]

After the flight the debrief consisted of me being torn apart about how pathetic and lousy i am at flying and that I will "never make it".

Read the transport document, Flight Instructor Guide under the Analysis of Student Performance, and then look at how they treated you. See if you see anything wrong with how you were treated.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... alysis.htm