Class 2
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It's a weird one - a real mismash of stuff.
Re-read the first 60 pages of the FIG. Memorize (again) learning factors and applications of them.
Memorize the (hour) experience requirements for private, night and commercial.
Weird assortment of airmanship questions, such as prop efficiency, whiteout, rain on windshield, upslope/downslope illusions.
Just review the above, show up and write it. You've been instructing long enough to know the rest of the stuff well enough to get a class 1 grade.
Re-read the first 60 pages of the FIG. Memorize (again) learning factors and applications of them.
Memorize the (hour) experience requirements for private, night and commercial.
Weird assortment of airmanship questions, such as prop efficiency, whiteout, rain on windshield, upslope/downslope illusions.
Just review the above, show up and write it. You've been instructing long enough to know the rest of the stuff well enough to get a class 1 grade.
I got a question on what prolonged decibel levels will lead to hearing damage.
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Guessed and got it right, but I can't remember the answer. (But 88 dB rings a bell)
Just thought I'd point it out because it was a big case of "one of these things is not like the other......"
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Guessed and got it right, but I can't remember the answer. (But 88 dB rings a bell)
Just thought I'd point it out because it was a big case of "one of these things is not like the other......"
Yeah, that's what I mean - it's full of weird stuff like that.
Reading the entire AIR section of the AIP would be a good idea before writing this one.
You're just not going to get 100% on this exam - around 90-ish is about what you can expect with a minimal amount of studying of the right material (FIG, CAR 421 & airmanship).
That's good enough for a class 1, if you can get both the 2 and the 1 rides booked and flown in a year. Both need 10 recommends, so it's just a matter of getting the 750 hours dual given logged, which most class 2's do anyways.
Remember you don't need 50% of the last 10 hours of dual given for the 7 flight test recommends after your class 3. You'd be amazed how many instructors don't understand this. If you have a kindly class 2/1 that by definition doesn't need any recommends (except to avoid a renewal ride) you can pick up some recommends pretty quickly.
I had a woman leave a big school that was milking her, and she asked me to recommend me for a private flight test. So I did a complete pre-flight test on her - ground and 1.3 hrs air. She met the standards, so I recommended her for the test. A bitch DFTE came out and did a flight test on her, and she passed, as I expected. The bitch DFTE told me that the flight test didn't count as a recommend for me, because I only flew with her once.
I didn't really need it, I was a class 1 at the time, but the bitch DFTE rubbed me the wrong way. So I asked the bitch DFTE if the student had flunked, if it would have gone on my instructor record as a fail. The bitch DFTE said "yes, of course". So I replied to the bitch DFTE that the pass sure as hell goes on my instructor record too because I wrote the goddamned letter of recommendation for the flight test.
What is it with some people. I never used that bitch DFTE ever again. I won't mention any names, but she's a brass hat at NavCan and writes patronizing columns for COPA.
Reading the entire AIR section of the AIP would be a good idea before writing this one.
You're just not going to get 100% on this exam - around 90-ish is about what you can expect with a minimal amount of studying of the right material (FIG, CAR 421 & airmanship).
That's good enough for a class 1, if you can get both the 2 and the 1 rides booked and flown in a year. Both need 10 recommends, so it's just a matter of getting the 750 hours dual given logged, which most class 2's do anyways.
Remember you don't need 50% of the last 10 hours of dual given for the 7 flight test recommends after your class 3. You'd be amazed how many instructors don't understand this. If you have a kindly class 2/1 that by definition doesn't need any recommends (except to avoid a renewal ride) you can pick up some recommends pretty quickly.
I had a woman leave a big school that was milking her, and she asked me to recommend me for a private flight test. So I did a complete pre-flight test on her - ground and 1.3 hrs air. She met the standards, so I recommended her for the test. A bitch DFTE came out and did a flight test on her, and she passed, as I expected. The bitch DFTE told me that the flight test didn't count as a recommend for me, because I only flew with her once.
I didn't really need it, I was a class 1 at the time, but the bitch DFTE rubbed me the wrong way. So I asked the bitch DFTE if the student had flunked, if it would have gone on my instructor record as a fail. The bitch DFTE said "yes, of course". So I replied to the bitch DFTE that the pass sure as hell goes on my instructor record too because I wrote the goddamned letter of recommendation for the flight test.
What is it with some people. I never used that bitch DFTE ever again. I won't mention any names, but she's a brass hat at NavCan and writes patronizing columns for COPA.
Hey,
Here are some very vague questions I remember from the exam:
- decibel levels (WCB)
- flight test requirements steep turn, set heading exercise
- sensory illusions (grey out, decelleration, whiteout, etc)
- flight time requirements ppl, cpl
- prop efficiency
- longitudinal stabilty (cg ahead of cp)
- IAS in wind vs groundspeed
- learning factors
- requirements to be cfi with only 1 person
- hours required for class 4 to 3 upgrade
- flight experience to teach instrument rating
- pressure altitude into true altitude (and TAS)
- forces in a climb
- ground wire for mags disconnected
- carb heat vs. mixture
As mentioned, some questions are downright wierd. I wrote my exam at the same time as 5 of my PPL students, and after discussing with them afterwards, some of the questions they had on their exam were exactly similar to a few I found on the AIRAT!
I used C.ul.h_ _ e to study for a couple days and passed with a comfortable margin.
Good luck.
Here are some very vague questions I remember from the exam:
- decibel levels (WCB)
- flight test requirements steep turn, set heading exercise
- sensory illusions (grey out, decelleration, whiteout, etc)
- flight time requirements ppl, cpl
- prop efficiency
- longitudinal stabilty (cg ahead of cp)
- IAS in wind vs groundspeed
- learning factors
- requirements to be cfi with only 1 person
- hours required for class 4 to 3 upgrade
- flight experience to teach instrument rating
- pressure altitude into true altitude (and TAS)
- forces in a climb
- ground wire for mags disconnected
- carb heat vs. mixture
As mentioned, some questions are downright wierd. I wrote my exam at the same time as 5 of my PPL students, and after discussing with them afterwards, some of the questions they had on their exam were exactly similar to a few I found on the AIRAT!
I used C.ul.h_ _ e to study for a couple days and passed with a comfortable margin.
Good luck.
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fatdumbandlazy
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If you get over 80% on the AIRAT and get your class 2, the exam stands for your Class 1 indefinately. It locks in as soon as you use the exam for a license or rating. It's like using your ATPL exams instead of writing the IATRA if you have the hours to write the exam.
The exam will lock in if you get over 80% and use it for your class 2.
The exam will lock in if you get over 80% and use it for your class 2.
A few years ago, when Garth Wallace was running the show at COPA, I met the staff. I had thought ahead of time that I'd meet some real aviation enthusiasts.
Wrong. Everyone that worked there, with the exception of Garth, was in the publishing business, and couldn't care less about aviation. Most of the staff had never been up in a small aircraft. They could have worked at Hustler or Guns and Ammo for all they cared.
Wrong. Everyone that worked there, with the exception of Garth, was in the publishing business, and couldn't care less about aviation. Most of the staff had never been up in a small aircraft. They could have worked at Hustler or Guns and Ammo for all they cared.
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fatdumbandlazy
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I got that info at the instructor refresher course this fall. When we were reviewing licensing standards it was agreed by all the inspectors in the room that this is the case. If you get over 80% on the AIRAT and use it within 24 months to upgrade to a class 2, the exam will remain valid indefinately. I'll try to find more info on this but I have 40+ flight instructors who heard the same thing from the horses mouth.
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Switchfoot
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Switchfoot
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- Location: Twenty-four oceans, twenty-four skies.
To teach the IFR rating you must have a CPL or ATPL and/or:
(a) Hold a valid instrument rating for class and/or category
(b) Have a flight instructor rating
(c) No less than 500 PIC and no less than 100 hours on the aircraft type, and in the case of Group I aircraft, no less than 10 hours on type.
Is there more?
(a) Hold a valid instrument rating for class and/or category
(b) Have a flight instructor rating
(c) No less than 500 PIC and no less than 100 hours on the aircraft type, and in the case of Group I aircraft, no less than 10 hours on type.
Is there more?
