Cargojet flying on behalf of Amerijet?

[chancellor]

Saskaberia- One of the coldest windiest places to call home in the winter also known as Saskatchewan. A little of topic but we had a stretch of 45 days last winter where the high was -25 degrees celcius.

[767AAY]

Who gives a rats ass?? Do you really think companies are in a position to let a new revenue source pass them buy?

If CJ didn't do the flying then another company would have, I don't understand why CJ is taking a shit kicking over this when Amerijet pilots are crossing the line and flying and another operator is also flying for Amerijet.

I'm sure glad Amerijet has that union, lot of good it has done for you guys while you have been pissing and crapping into bags for 5 plus years, I'm sure all the union dues are well worth the benefits -

Good luck and keep going CJ, don't leave money on the table -

[JazzJetDriver]

I have not seen an ALPA application form in a long time but I do belive that there is a question on there pertaining to such a scenario that is being discussed here. Any Cargojet guy/girl might find having to defend themself when and if he/she decides to join an ALPA carrier.

As always there is strenght in unity. All it takes is a big collective, "NO!"

[Majesty]

Anyone to knowingly fly struck freight is a sad pathetic excuse for a man(woman) and not someone I will ever share a cockpit with guaranteed!

I'm guessing that you don't have a lot of luck in the CRM part of your groundschools.

I for one will be happy not to have to share a cockpit with you even if I haven't flown struck freight!

[HS-748 2A]

If Amerijet is on strike, that means they had a contract that they are not fullfilling and are not going to get paid for. There may even be other penalties encured for the for defaulting.

So Cargojet is now hauling the freight - That doesn't really do anythng for Amerijet now does it?

They've lost the contract, they're grounded and no doubt, the owners are in a world of hurt.

I'm sure Amerijet's business plan didn't factor on giving Cargojet all their revenue but that's what they're doing now, in some kind of an effort to save face.

The greivance wasn't with the people who want their freight moved was it?

It wasn't with the sweat shops in China that built the junk either - so why shouldn't sombody be able to haul it?

Forgive me if I am missing something here.

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[ScudRunner]

So to sum up:

AmeriJet pilots piss and shiite in bags, don't get fed , not supplied with water. poorly paid even have direct hires jump ranks (according to Airlinepilotpay.com)

Amerjets Union have been collecting dues from workers for a very long time and have been so effective in dealing with this that they have not had a contract in 5 years pilots continue to piss in bags.

Finally Amerijet goes on strike (should also consider getting a new union)

CargoJet does 1 flight, yes folks ONE flight from Miami to Trinidad. The pilots arrive to find this mess and are followed to there hotel by Amerijet pilots. Great opportunity to inform them of the situation instead names are called, pictures taken of them and posted on the web apparently names taken down , threats made.

CargoJet pilots tell management of the situation no other flight take place.

AmeriJet still on strike.

[Pratt X 3]

CargoJet does 1 flight, yes folks ONE flight from Miami to Trinidad.

Actually, it appears to have been 9 flights in total (7 live plus 2 empty legs), according to FlightAware.com.

Leg 1: CYHM-KMIA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT9 ... /CYHM/KMIA
Leg 2: KMIA-TTPP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /KMIA/TTPP
Leg 3: TTPP-KMIA (unconfirmed; no FlightAware data available)
Leg 4: KMIA-TTPP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /KMIA/TTPP
Leg 5: TTPP-KMIA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /TTPP/KMIA
Leg 6: KMIA-MDSD http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /KMIA/MDSD
Leg 7: MDSD-KMIA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /MDSD/KMIA
Leg 8: KMIA-MDSD http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /KMIA/MDSD
Leg 9: MDSD-CYHM http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CJT1 ... /MDSD/CYHM

CYHM = Hamilton [John C. Munro Hamilton Intl], ON, Canada
KMIA = Miami [Intl], FL, USA
TTPP = Port of Spain [Piarco Intl], Trinidad Island, Trinidad and Tobago
MDSD = Santo Domingo (Punta Caucedo) [Aeropuerto de las Américas (Dr. José Francisco Peña Gómez Intl)], Dominican Republic

Just the facts; free of any opinion, for my buddy, Charlie "The Clipper" Brown. Good grief!!!

Please, no cracking wise about me having no life; I am aware.

[Spit-IX]

CargoJet pilots tell management of the situation no other flight take place.

You honestly believe that CJ management had no idea the Amerijet pilots were on strike? CJ management just looked at the $$$ and didn't think of the pilot group that they threw into this shit storm.

It should have gone this way:

- CJ management approaches the pilot group and informs them they have an an opportunity to fly extra runs for Amerijet.
- CJ management also informs the pilot group that this work is due to the Amerijet pilots being on strike.
- CJ management then asks if the pilot group has any objections to operating these flights which would cross the picket lines.
- CJ management agrees to do what the pilot group wants to do.

[mattedfred]

ALPA PILOTS IN CANADA SUPPORT AMERIJET

The pilots of Amerijet, a cargo carrier based in Miami, Florida, represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 769, are currently engaged in a lawful strike.

We have been informed that the only carrier that has crossed their picket line and flown their struck work is Cargojet. As most of you are aware, Cargojet is a Canadian cargo operator whose pilots are not unionized. If anyone has contact with any of the pilots at Cargojet, please make them aware that it is incumbent upon all professional airline pilots to support one another in an effort to make this profession a better one.

We want to make it clear that ALPA fully supports the Amerijet pilots and flight engineers in their fight for a fair and equitable contract. While Amerijet is not an ALPA carrier, nor is Cargojet, we pilots are all in this together.

In Solidarity,

http://cf.alpa.org/Internet/images/BOD/ ... nature.gif
Captain Dan Adamus
President, ALPA Canada Board

[teacher]

+1

[727driver]

Adamus and ALPA better get its facts straight. ABX was and still is carrying struck cargo for AJT this week. Funny no mention of ABX actions from ALPA and in Adamus' statement. Cargojet crew and aircraft were all back home Monday. As a matter of fact AJT requested Cargojet to do more trips for them that week but the crew refused to do more than what was originally agreed to when the charter was first organized. While I sympatise with the situation the AJT guys are in and I support their actions some of you guys better stop preaching from the pulpit. The crews that went down were not notified of the labour dispute involving AJT and its pilots in advance. Cargojet is a non-unionized body of pilots and as such there is no legal remedy or relief to protect the crewmembers jobs at the company should they refuse to work. Under the labour code thats grounds for dismissal in Canada. With no representation or collective barganing agreement in place to support them did you expect them to just fall on their sword? I don't think IBT or ALPA or any other union would have come to rescue of these guys to ensure their mortgages get paid, the lights and heat don't get turned off, there is food on the table for their kids or future employment. The truth of the matter is had these crews walked off the airplane in MIA and refused to fly they would probably be turning in their uniforms and manuals to company on Monday. Its pretty guttless to be so critical of your collegues and self-righteous in this situation when you have a strong collect agreement that protects your job should you refuse to cross the line or you have never faced a no win situation like this first hand. Lets give these guys alittle credit atleast for standing up and not doing the additional trips that were requested of them.

[mattedfred]

i highly recommend that you email Captain Adamus directly at dan.adamus@alpa.org and correct any errors you may feel appear in his communication.

[teacher]

The letter was sent by ALPA Canada and since Cargojet was the only Canadian airline doing this work they were mentioned. Seems simple to me.

If CJ pilots are interested in representation and protection from this kind of stuff I suggest emailing the address that "mattedfred" posted above.

[The Clipper]

CargoJet pilots tell management of the situation no other flight take place.

You honestly believe that CJ management had no idea the Amerijet pilots were on strike? CJ management just looked at the $$$ and didn't think of the pilot group that they threw into this shit storm.

It should have gone this way:

- CJ management approaches the pilot group and informs them they have an an opportunity to fly extra runs for Amerijet.
- CJ management also informs the pilot group that this work is due to the Amerijet pilots being on strike.
- CJ management then asks if the pilot group has any objections to operating these flights which would cross the picket lines.
- CJ management agrees to do what the pilot group wants to do.

Thanks Pratt...I wasn't aware of these extra trips....but it doesn't change my opinion or belief of what was done was lawfully and commercially responsible. Sorry for being a little over the top the other night.....just tired and frustrated and quite frankly angry with some who seem to feel it is acceptable to post pictures of 'relief pilots' with no regard for their safety and that of their families from threats. I typically avoid these forums but felt compelled to chime in when it goes TOOOO far!

ALPA PILOTS IN CANADA SUPPORT AMERIJET

The pilots of Amerijet, a cargo carrier based in Miami, Florida, represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 769, are currently engaged in a lawful strike.

We have been informed that the only carrier that has crossed their picket line and flown their struck work is Cargojet. As most of you are aware, Cargojet is a Canadian cargo operator whose pilots are not unionized. If anyone has contact with any of the pilots at Cargojet, please make them aware that it is incumbent upon all professional airline pilots to support one another in an effort to make this profession a better one.

We want to make it clear that ALPA fully supports the Amerijet pilots and flight engineers in their fight for a fair and equitable contract. While Amerijet is not an ALPA carrier, nor is Cargojet, we pilots are all in this together.

In Solidarity,

http://cf.alpa.org/Internet/images/BOD/ ... nature.gif
Captain Dan Adamus
President, ALPA Canada Board

And as for Mattedfred's suggestion that we contact our good buddy Dan Adamus........give me a break. You want to talk about shameless behaviour? How about using the plight of our brothers to the south as a way to recruit new members.

I will continue to support any pilot who is in contract talks with their employer but don't be hollier than thou!

[ScudRunner]

Well interesting, I was willing to give them the benefit of doubt and having been told what I posted above straight from CJ pilots I had no reason not to believe what they where saying regarding only one flight and management was told about it and where informed that would be it.

So I guess to Sum Up

CargoJet Pilots = SCABS

Still don't think posting pictures and harassing the pilots like that was very effective way to get your point across. Perhaps a simple "hey ill buy you a coffee lets chat" would have been more effective and they probably would see the light and bought you the coffee instead.
Anyway Shitty deal and CargoJet just showed its hand to the aviation community.

Go Amerijet hope you guys get back to work soon under better conditions.

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[777 Expat]

A few points / questions;

ALPA? Didn't KFC who are/ were represented by ALPA fly the Fedex Freight years ago when Morningstar had their labour dispute?

Why are 20 + non management Amerijet pilots still flying? You would think the majority of focus would be centered on them and not on a small Canadian company.

On a side note, none of this will really matter when the Amerijet customers have had enough and decide to move to another carrier.

[airpatches]

Cargojet is going to fly more Amerijet flights, and they are going to enjoy sharing the profits with all of those who were a part of it. See you in Miami, suckers.

[HS-748 2A]

On a side note, none of this will really matter when the Amerijet customers have had enough and decide to move to another carrier.

That's what I was saying when I said this - Really; exactly.

If Amerijet is on strike, that means they had a contract that they are not fullfilling and are not going to get paid for. There may even be other penalties encured for the for defaulting.

So Cargojet is now hauling the freight - That doesn't really do anythng for Amerijet now does it?

They've lost the contract, they're grounded and no doubt, the owners are in a world of hurt.

I'm sure Amerijet's business plan didn't factor on giving Cargojet all their revenue but that's what they're doing now, in some kind of an effort to save face.

The greivance wasn't with the people who want their freight moved was it?

It wasn't with the sweat shops in China that built the junk either - so why shouldn't sombody be able to haul it?

I just don't see why Cargojet is getting raked so badly for this.

If we were all truely so principled, maybe we should refuse to fly Chineese SWEATSHOP-produced junk...?

[corytrevor]

Cargojet is going to fly more Amerijet flights, and they are going to enjoy sharing the profits with all of those who were a part of it. See you in Miami, suckers.

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[767AAY]

There is more flying for CJ coming up! Way to go CJ, more revenue, more profits and at the end of the day moving customers freight so that once this BS is over hopefully Amerijet still have customers around that want to use their service!!

CJ was contracted by Amerijets customers and not Amerijet as most of you think, they acted as a consolidator and are moving the volume based on that agreement!

Any pilot who would pass up flying for $$$$$$$$$$$$ in this volatile and uncertain times is a moron! Everyone has mortgages and families to feed -

Go CJ!

[spartacus]

Cargojet is going to fly more Amerijet flights, and they are going to enjoy sharing the profits with all of those who were a part of it. See you in Miami, suckers.

There is more flying for CJ coming up! Way to go CJ, more revenue, more profits and at the end of the day moving customers freight so that once this BS is over hopefully Amerijet still have customers around that want to use their service!!

CJ was contracted by Amerijets customers and not Amerijet as most of you think, they acted as a consolidator and are moving the volume based on that agreement!

Any pilot who would pass up flying for $$$$$$$$$$$$ in this volatile and uncertain times is a moron! Everyone has mortgages and families to feed -

Go CJ!

wow.

I'm speechless.

well, not really, I guess we really just know who the real whores are. I could have accepted one flight done by a crew when they didn't know the situation, but this?

And then to be proud of it?

Every man for himself.

I hope you need the unions one day boys and girls. And I hope they tell you where you can go.

you make me sick.

SCABS.

[767AAY]

Lot of goods the union did for the Amerijet pilots, I would love to give my union dues to someone who sits back and watches me piss and crap into a bag and work under horrible conditions, geez having the union sounds like an awesome idea!

If you had to feed your family you would be flying - nobody and no corporation is in a position to turn away business - and if they do it won't be long before everyone is out of a job then the pilots will be asking why didn't we do more flying, why didn't we do this or that -

Again, CJ isn't flying for Amerijet, they are flying the cargo of the small business man who's whole life is dependent on Amerijet moving his cargo. Why should he and others suffer and go bankrupt?

I support CJ and what they are doing, it's helping an already shitty economy in the US, didn't you see the latest stats? The US lost another 216,000 jobs last month?? get your head out of your ass.

[JazzJetDriver]

get your head out of your ass.

Unfortunately it is those who are doing this [scab] flying who are anally entombed. As an ALPA member I have seen time and time again the harm this type of attitude causes. Whether you agree or not; it is organisations like ALPA that has provided a safer and stable enviroment for those inside the union as well as outside.

The work that ALPA has done in the areas of safety alone which has benefitted all and sundry, should be enough to make one want to become part of this organisation. To sit on the outside and condemn over the Amerijet issue is a very short sighted view.

Look at the work done on accident investigation and the times ALPA has saved a pilot's rear end from wrongful blame etc. Let's hope that those who someday might need the resources of this organisation, because you are sitting amid the wreckage of your machine that up until a minute ago was in one piece, are members of it and not wishing that they missed one hell of an opportunity when they had the chance.

[767AAY]

You're missing the point, union or not CJ are not risking safety, they are providing a service and treat their employees quite fairly, they are creating jobs and making a profit..... Something that many, many airlines cannot say with or without unions.

However if the benefit of the union is that you don't work and make money for your company based on the fact some other airline is on strike then you are only hurting your own revenue source and hurting your companies bottom line which will eventually catch up to you when the company goes bankrupt and you 're in line for welfare. Wtf is the point?

This isn't CJ's issue, it's between Amerijet and the union they claim are going to help them, CJ is in business to make money and if they have to move freight for Amerijet's customers to do it then so be it! If they didn't do it someone else would - why leave money on the table, not many people are in a position and say no thanks I don't need anymore money in my bank -

[JazzJetDriver]

Well I have a different view.

Yes, Cargojet is making money due to the unfortunate situation Amerijet has placed itself in.

The CJ pilots are making money on the backs of their struck brothers that are fighting for a fair wage and working conditions. That is scabbing.

I hope the day does not come that the CJ pilots find themselves in a similar situation and watch from the picket lines, outside companies making money on their backs. I have been in this business for such a long time that I know there is a lot of truth to the old saying, "What goes around.............."