Jetstream Tips

permateacher · Post by **permateacher** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:19 pm

Hi there,

I was wondering if those of you out there that have flown the Jetstream 31 could give some tips and or advice regarding the machine. Anything from aircraft handling, power settings, to landing techniques in various conditions would be great. Operational experiences or stories of any sort would be most helpful.

Thanks a lot!!

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:23 pm

permateacher not a teacher anymore?

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:53 pm

Greasing the Wetdream 31 is 10% skill and 90% luck...no matter how much time a guy has on type, the thumpers WILL come more often than you would like. It lands with a fairly nose low attitude. As far as power settings, it will be scheduled torque for takeoffs based on elevation and temperature. 100% RPM for climb and 97% for cruise. Some operators like to run 100% even for cruise, but beware engine wear, (specifically Hot Sections). Depending on your cruise altitude, torque will be around 58% to keep EGT around 640. The aircraft has a relatively "heavy feel" to it but i like it. Hope this helps.

P.S Where are you going to be flying?

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:59 pm

here's a tip... GO PRATTS!

TR · Post by TR » Sun Mar 14, 2004 9:22 pm

Edited

KISS_MY_TCAS · Post by **KISS_MY_TCAS** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:04 pm

is proud that he is still a better airplane than a 1900D

Yeah...more power, better performance, and more payload are always a bad thing

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TFTMB heavy · Post by **TFTMB heavy** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:57 pm

Have respect for the Jetstream! That's my best advice, if you stay within the envelope it will be a pleasure to fly, but beyond, beware it bites. It doesn't have a big wing and it is pitch sensitive. It also has some airliner toy's and is not regarded as an easy plane to fly which is good. As for the landing part it has a stiff gear and needs power for smooth landings. Good luck, it take some time to get used to, very different from king air's.

permateacher · Post by **permateacher** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:04 pm

Thanks a lot guys!

That sounds like great advice, keep it coming. I'll need all the help I can get.

Take care

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun Mar 14, 2004 11:05 pm

lol..want advice - don't fly one....

seriously, have fun. I hear there a pig, and the guys love em for it. What company are you going to fly for?

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 12:56 am

My advice would be; buy a good ANC headset or you'll be deaf by the end of your twenties!

Oh and have fun, besides, big red likes engine failure/in flight shut down stories for the interview...

cj

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 1:22 am

One of the best larger planes I have flown. It is a 704 machine so fly it like one. Handles like a jem on the ground, what with the tiller bar and all. Get to know the engine starting and stoping proceedures well. Computers do a great job, but when it is hot, knowing how to do a manual start will make a world of difference when you need to.

It carries a good load. Does like a bit of runway, but I always gave it alittle more room anyway, once it is in the air and climbing, no probs. Just remember three things, AirSpeed, AirSpeed, and AirSpeed and you will do well. Don't get slow, but that goes to say with any airplane.

It tops out in a climb around 17-19 thousand feet. You can go above that if you are going over an hour or so flight time. Under that, not worth it. It flies and feels like a big plane. Granted it doesn't have the biggest engines or top speed out there.. but cost per mile it really can't be beat. Those of you who fly something different, I challenge you to do the math. Jetstream will break even at three pax on a trip from YYC to YXD. So tell me if you can find a plane that will haul 19 pax and make that kind of revinue!! hmmm?

As for landings..

Greasing the Wetdream 31 is 10% skill and 90% luck...no matter how much time a guy has on type, the thumpers WILL come more often than you would like.

This person doesn't care too much about how they fly their airplane. With some "small" attention to detail, a smooth landing can be done and in most wind conditions at all times. Not like alot of other sized A/C.

As for loading, with the back compartment and that belly pod, you are looking at just over 1000 lbs of cargo. Granted, you can't fit in huge things like metros and 1900's can. But one has to remember, that this plane was built for the buisness passenger with a suitcase or three. I have seen them fitted with seat packs (up to three doubles and two singles) and the pod and the back full and still take pax. She will carry a load.

Most of all.. you can stand up as you walk into the cockpit! Not hunched over like a troll.

Best of luck!

Adanac

... · Post by **...** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:58 am

TFTMB wrote:That's my best advice, if you stay within the envelope it will be a pleasure to fly, but beyond, beware it bites. It doesn't have a big wing and it is pitch sensitive. It also has some airliner toy's and is not regarded as an easy plane to fly which is good. As for the landing part it has a stiff gear and needs power for smooth landings.

Sounds like most British people.

chiefpilot · Post by **chiefpilot** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:38 am

Overall, the Jetstream is an adventure to fly.
Yes, it does like runway, but what aircraft with this wing doesn't.
It will demand your respect, from your first training flight, to the last flight you ever do in it. It's called the "mini-airliner" for many reasons.
A healthy dose of V1 cut's in the simulator will send you back to the hotel wondering what the hell your doing there

, this is just it's way of demanding your respect.
It's like a three year old in a candy store, take your eye's of it for even a minute, and it will get away from you.
It will bite you in the ass as fast as the neighbourhood dog pack

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The amount of Air Canada pilots that approach you on the ramp with a grin and "I used to fly one of those, squirreliest God damn thing I've ever flown!, loved it!" I started to lose count about three years ago.
With that in mind, you will have the time of your life!.
Good luck and enjoy.

CP.

chiefpilot · Post by **chiefpilot** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:39 am

J31 · Post by **J31** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:49 am

The Jetstream is hard to consistently land smoothly but that’s the challenge! For consistency fly it on with power, try not to flare very much. After touchdown slowly select Beta and then reverse being careful and ready to adjust the power levers to keep the reverse symmetric. When getting on the brakes be gentle and do not pump them…..smooth constant pressure works the best.

The Jetstrem was designed like an airliner and is a numbers airplane….fly it that way and it will do well. You will always be checking performance charts and computing target torque which is good preparation for larger aircraft.

It is not a true 19 seat airplane in higher density altitudes. You can operate into less than 4000 ft runways but not with much load. For better loads 6000 ft is needed. Note a numbers airplane…..check the charts before committing to 19 passengers out of Jasper-Hinton to Yellowknife!

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:09 am

Hey J31...I thought Jetstreams didn't have reverse - lift dump instead?

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:10 am

To Adanac, for your info, I do take a lot of pride and professionalism in my flying but to suggest that you could grease the Jetstream EVERY SINGLE TIME makes you nothing more than a liar. All of us here who do fly the aircraft know this.

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:06 am

The aircraft has both lift dump (need flaps at 35 ) and reverse.

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:14 am

To SkyHigh,

I would like to note that you said:

Greasing the Wetdream 31 is 10% skill and 90% luck...no matter how much time a guy has on type, the thumpers WILL come more often than you would like

and then decided to say this in reply:

To Adanac, for your info, I do take a lot of pride and professionalism in my flying but to suggest that you could grease the Jetstream EVERY SINGLE TIME makes you nothing more than a liar.

Sorry that you feel that way. I never did state that I made a smooth landing every time. I have had my share of landings where I expected to see the main gear up through the tops of the wings. The Jetstream can and is very tricky to land and to do it smoothly even more so. So falling into the ideal of the "Jetstream lands hard" is too bad and believing that it is 90% luck makes me wonder what else you leave to luck? Know your airplane and fly it, don't let it fly you. Heres hoping you can work on it. Best of luck to you.

Adanac

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:55 am

Adanac, you stated "With some "small" attention to detail, a smooth landing can be done and in most wind conditions at all times." and now with some back tracking you said that "I never did state that I made a smooth landing every time"...Regardless, lets just move on.

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:26 pm

So be it.

tip tank · Post by **tip tank** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:33 pm

Fly an MU-2 and then come talk to me about hard planes to fly.....