Weather decision

[Highflyinpilot]

how do you know it was a student and instructor?

[Lurch]

how do you know it was a student and instructor?

Well if it was just a student going solo then an instructor has to at least be on the field and sign them out prior to start up. If it was a renter same still applies.

Lurch

[Highflyinpilot]

ok, I guess you must know the aircraft at the field and know that it isnt privately registered. (Although that sounds very sarcastic, it really isnt meant to be)

[Lurch]

ok, I guess you must know the aircraft at the field and know that it isnt privately registered. (Although that sounds very sarcastic, it really isnt meant to be)

Anything useful to add or are you just trying to start an argument?

The point is, school or no school airplane, this "pilot" didn't bother to do something as simple and logical as checking the weather prior to starting the airplane.

We have a student starting a thread about questioning his decision to go flying or not in questionable weather and making a good decision and then we have a "pilot" not checking the weather and not making a good decision.

See my issue now?

Lurch

[Highflyinpilot]

In case you missed it in my last post here it is again (ALTHOUGH THAT SOUNDS VERY SARCASTIC, IT REALLY ISNT MEANT TO BE)

did you get it that time pro, i wasnt trying to start an argument, i just thought that it was a little unfair to immediatly suggest that an instructor, student didnt check the weather before going up, for all we know it could have been a 10000 hour pilot not doing simple things as checking the weather befor going out, dont go immediatly saying it was a student if you dont even know that it was.


P.S oh and i did add one of my expirences with this issue on page 1, so i guess i did add something useful.

[Lurch]

In case you missed it in my last post here it is again (ALTHOUGH THAT SOUNDS VERY SARCASTIC, IT REALLY ISNT MEANT TO BE)

did you get it that time pro, i wasnt trying to start an argument, i just thought that it was a little unfair to immediatly suggest that an instructor, student didnt check the weather before going up, for all we know it could have been a 10000 hour pilot not doing simple things as checking the weather befor going out, dont go immediatly saying it was a student if you dont even know that it was.


P.S oh and i did add one of my expirences with this issue on page 1, so i guess i did add something useful.

I didn't realise I needed to validate my statement about it being a student and a school airplane and I was trying to keep it non-specific to "protect" said persons, but if you insist I know the school, the plane, and the instructor on board. So if you want the Ident, and instructors name PM me and maybe I'll tell you.

Lurch

[Highflyinpilot]

haha your what I like to call easy.

[Lurch]

haha your what I like to call easy.

So I was right

Nothing useful to add and trying to start a fight

Lurch

[redwing]

Thanks for the comments, I just have a couple questions about icing on the GFA.

For example if it says moderate icing between say surface and 8000, would that be reason enough to cancel a flight?

Or what if it was something like between 5000 and 8000, and you were going to fly at 4500, I'm assuming it would still be safe to go? As long as you were not in the coulds would you still be affected?

Thanks for the help

[paydaymayday]

Thanks for the comments, I just have a couple questions about icing on the GFA.

For example if it says moderate icing between say surface and 8000, would that be reason enough to cancel a flight?

Or what if it was something like between 5000 and 8000, and you were going to fly at 4500, I'm assuming it would still be safe to go? As long as you were not in the coulds would you still be affected?

Thanks for the help

A few things you have to consider:
-you aren't going to catch much ice out of visible moisture.
-you have to consider that precipitation may be falling from clouds, and may freeze.
-don't forget about cold-soaking.
-you also have to look at trends: will the icing and precip be developing? Moving?
-where is the freezing level? Can you descend to above-freezing temps? Do you have a way out?
-remember that moderate icing is only moderate for aircraft with de-ice and anti-ice systems. It will build quickly and kill you in a non-known equipped plane. Moderate ice is actually a fair bit of ice, and I don't even like to hang around in it when I have boots, fluid, and heats to shed it.

Edge on the cautious side with ice. It limits your options more quickly and severely than other weather phenomenon.

[MDT]

Redwing

You made a decision based on the available information. Sounds like you considered all the relevant factors; namely the pilot, weather and aircraft and how they fit into the intended flight. Making these types of decisions are going to be a life long learning experinece. Many of them are going to be tough ones to make, with a lot of external pressures. But keep in mind that you're the one who owns that decision in the end. Congratulations on making a good call.

For any instructors out there, I think we're doing our students a great dis-service when we make all the weather decisions. It might be a pain to so up at the school on a weather day, but the value in discussing the weather in a pre-flight briefing and taking the student through the PDM process is going to do them a world of good in being able to make these calls in the future. Phoning the student and either telling them to stay at home or "reviewing" the weather over the phone doesn't cut in my mind.