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The Parents! My wife just about burst out laughing when I told the principal how I would deal with my son if he was suspended for retaliating to a bully. Why take him to disney land of course.
The problem, with schools now a days
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LousyFisherman
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Re: The problem, with schools now a days
I actually had to do this.
My son then aged 13 came home and told me he was getting suspended again. I asked why, he claimed he was protecting a grade 5 girl from a grade 9 bully. He was in grade 7. I asked did you hit him when he was down? He said "Well, I hit him while he was going down"
Next day off to the principals office we go, my son and I, the girl and her mother, the bully and his father. One side of the bullies face was hugely swollen, no colours but they were soon to appear.
The facts were not disputed at all, it happened just as my son claimed.
The principal said "We have a zero tolerance of violence policy, both of the boys are suspended for 3 days" After arguing that the behaviour of my son should be encouraged, I finally whipped out my wallet, turned to the principal and said "You know how he hates suspensions, 3 days of home school supervised by myself. However, he did the right thing this time so..."
i peeled off 3 twenties, one per day, gave them to my son and told him to leave the office. Man was the principal ever pissed.
The mother of the girl approached me after the meeting to express her appreciation for my son's actions. The father of the bully didn't say a word, just sat there looking embarrassed.
LF
My son then aged 13 came home and told me he was getting suspended again. I asked why, he claimed he was protecting a grade 5 girl from a grade 9 bully. He was in grade 7. I asked did you hit him when he was down? He said "Well, I hit him while he was going down"
Next day off to the principals office we go, my son and I, the girl and her mother, the bully and his father. One side of the bullies face was hugely swollen, no colours but they were soon to appear.
The facts were not disputed at all, it happened just as my son claimed.
The principal said "We have a zero tolerance of violence policy, both of the boys are suspended for 3 days" After arguing that the behaviour of my son should be encouraged, I finally whipped out my wallet, turned to the principal and said "You know how he hates suspensions, 3 days of home school supervised by myself. However, he did the right thing this time so..."
i peeled off 3 twenties, one per day, gave them to my son and told him to leave the office. Man was the principal ever pissed.
The mother of the girl approached me after the meeting to express her appreciation for my son's actions. The father of the bully didn't say a word, just sat there looking embarrassed.
LF
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Re: The problem, with schools now a days
Nice job, LousyF. It's good to know there are still decent people in the world willing to stand up to BS. 
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I think all educational institutions exist in an alternate reality. I always taught my son never to start a fight, but if he couldn't avoid one do whatever he had to do to win and don't worry about the fallout at school. That would be my responsibility. I think Mom's and Dad's are evenly split down that line all through society.
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Dust Devil
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I had a similar experience in school that involved a suspension. I won't get into the details because it would be more typing than I care to do at the moment.
Basically the rule my old man laid out for me was "Kelly I never want to hear about you starting a fight but if you find yourself in one you better finish it".
Now that I am going to be a dad in March I look forward to passing that message on.
Basically the rule my old man laid out for me was "Kelly I never want to hear about you starting a fight but if you find yourself in one you better finish it".
Now that I am going to be a dad in March I look forward to passing that message on.
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Chuck Ellsworth
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Re: The problem, with schools now a days
Your dad was a smart man, a bully will not quit bullying unless someone puts the fear of being hurt real bad " again " into him/her.Basically the rule my old man laid out for me was "Kelly I never want to hear about you starting a fight but if you find yourself in one you better finish it".
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After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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When I was younger a bully made me her "bitch" (elementary school here)...
I was scared and me and mom went to the principal. The principal told my mom it wasn't fair to the bully to isolate her by taking my friendship away. Seriously, my friendship? You mean how she'd punch me if I didn't give her my lunch? Well the principal told my mother the girl came from a bad violent home and was clearly happy to have my friendship.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having a slave in grade 5 either.
I changed schools.
(I was a tall lanky bean stalk here, she was a bulldog to put it lightly)
Wolfie
PS to those that don't know I am a girl.
I was scared and me and mom went to the principal. The principal told my mom it wasn't fair to the bully to isolate her by taking my friendship away. Seriously, my friendship? You mean how she'd punch me if I didn't give her my lunch? Well the principal told my mother the girl came from a bad violent home and was clearly happy to have my friendship.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having a slave in grade 5 either.
I changed schools.
(I was a tall lanky bean stalk here, she was a bulldog to put it lightly)
Wolfie
PS to those that don't know I am a girl.
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Re: The problem, with schools now a days
No, I don't think so.
But I can honestly say that the VAST majority of teachers I have talked to are bossy and/or insane. I'm sure they start out almost OK, but they quickly transform into mind-molding power-trippers. The female teachers are worse than the males.
Just my opinion based on experience.
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But I can honestly say that the VAST majority of teachers I have talked to are bossy and/or insane. I'm sure they start out almost OK, but they quickly transform into mind-molding power-trippers. The female teachers are worse than the males.
Just my opinion based on experience.
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Ahh.. public school teachers.... Cushy job with good pay, union, and benefits, two months off in the summer, minimal education required (really, is a B.Ed all that hard to get), job security and little accountability.
I figure about 10% of my teachers in public school gave a damn about their students and did more than the minimum required. 80% were mediocre at best and the other 10% shouldn't have been allowed on the premises.
As for bullying. I teach my son to defend himself but to never start a fight. A certain amount of conflict builds character IMHO. What are these molly-coddled kids going to do when they hit the real world?
I figure about 10% of my teachers in public school gave a damn about their students and did more than the minimum required. 80% were mediocre at best and the other 10% shouldn't have been allowed on the premises.
As for bullying. I teach my son to defend himself but to never start a fight. A certain amount of conflict builds character IMHO. What are these molly-coddled kids going to do when they hit the real world?
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
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Re: The problem, with schools now a days
Don't tell your kids to 'retaliate' against bullies. After all, shouldn't school prepare them for the real world? When those bullies grow up, they'll have a gun and a badge.
Oh, and maybe a taser.
Oh, and maybe a taser.
I'll just sneak through here... they'll never see me if I stay low.
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CelBatrin wrote:Don't tell your kids to 'retaliate' against bullies. After all, shouldn't school prepare them for the real world? When those bullies grow up, they'll have a gun and a badge.
Oh, and maybe a taser.
hmm police. We should start another thread on "The problem, with police now a days!" Another union, another profession with no accountability to anyone.
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arictaylor wrote:CelBatrin wrote:Don't tell your kids to 'retaliate' against bullies. After all, shouldn't school prepare them for the real world? When those bullies grow up, they'll have a gun and a badge.
Oh, and maybe a taser.
hmm police. We should start another thread on "The problem, with police now a days!" Another union, another profession with no accountability to anyone.
The RCMP don't have a union so there goes that theory.
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For a minute I thought that was an aircraft operator...
Nope its a cop beating a civilian... Sometimes hard to tell!
Nope its a cop beating a civilian... Sometimes hard to tell!
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Re: The problem, with schools now a days
My folks taught me to stand my ground. I was told to never start a fight but always finish it.
My mom never even once tried to suggest I go to the teacher or the principal if I was bullied, they said if someone pushes or punches me I beat them like they owed me money.
Someone push, I punch, someone punch, I punch and kick.
Once my brother was in highschool and was getting bullied by a guy. The dude kept calling him a dirty Jew, pushing & shoving, etc. My dad told him to go to the VP and warn him of the situation, and inform him that the next time it happened it was going to result in a fight.
Ben went and told the VP, VP asked who bully was so he could repremand him. Ben said he couldn't tell him as it would make things worse. VP basically told my brother to @#$! off, my brother told him he was warned.
One day Ben is walking through the halls, gets called a dirty jew by the kid and shoved against a locker. He was going to let go, then thought about it again. Walked up to the guy when he was facing the locker and tapped him on the shoulder, guy turned around and Ben knocked him right in the face, knocking the guy back into the locker. Fight was on, then broken up. My dad got called in and Ben was calm, he was calm, the VP was shitting bricks.
Remember boys and girls, apathy never solves anything, a healthy and controlled amount of violence solves quite a bit.
My mom never even once tried to suggest I go to the teacher or the principal if I was bullied, they said if someone pushes or punches me I beat them like they owed me money.
Someone push, I punch, someone punch, I punch and kick.
Once my brother was in highschool and was getting bullied by a guy. The dude kept calling him a dirty Jew, pushing & shoving, etc. My dad told him to go to the VP and warn him of the situation, and inform him that the next time it happened it was going to result in a fight.
Ben went and told the VP, VP asked who bully was so he could repremand him. Ben said he couldn't tell him as it would make things worse. VP basically told my brother to @#$! off, my brother told him he was warned.
One day Ben is walking through the halls, gets called a dirty jew by the kid and shoved against a locker. He was going to let go, then thought about it again. Walked up to the guy when he was facing the locker and tapped him on the shoulder, guy turned around and Ben knocked him right in the face, knocking the guy back into the locker. Fight was on, then broken up. My dad got called in and Ben was calm, he was calm, the VP was shitting bricks.
Remember boys and girls, apathy never solves anything, a healthy and controlled amount of violence solves quite a bit.
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My Wife is a public school teacher. The problems with public school are amazing, I shake my head everytime she tells me stories. I guess the issue that bothers me is, Teachers are not allowed to fail students these days regardless of their grades, what is this going to teach the youth. You suck at sports, cant throw a football, thats ok, because we cant cut you. Second string quarterback. FAILURE is a valuable lesson.
When I attened school we used to go on field trips, all over the place, lived in ottawa at the time and we would travel as far a Quebec city. One field trip we went to the aviation museum, and I went on a Float plane ride with 4 other students. Cant do anything like this now a days, to walk across the street takes hundreds of forms.
When I went to school, I got pushed around, so one day I punched the guy in the stomach, he vomited. Then we both covered each others ass's when we got hauled into the principals office. Mutual respect between us after that day.
Now If a student clamed he is being bullied the police have to be involved
Grumble,
When I attened school we used to go on field trips, all over the place, lived in ottawa at the time and we would travel as far a Quebec city. One field trip we went to the aviation museum, and I went on a Float plane ride with 4 other students. Cant do anything like this now a days, to walk across the street takes hundreds of forms.
When I went to school, I got pushed around, so one day I punched the guy in the stomach, he vomited. Then we both covered each others ass's when we got hauled into the principals office. Mutual respect between us after that day.
Now If a student clamed he is being bullied the police have to be involved
Grumble,
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Simple answer. Teach your kids the "Cowboy Code".....Never hit a smaller man. Never hit a girl. Never throw the first punch.
iflyforpie....just try to even get into a B.Ed program. Just try. Just like getting into Vet school right now....
iflyforpie....just try to even get into a B.Ed program. Just try. Just like getting into Vet school right now....
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The last line is priceless.... "If you want this in another language, move to a country that speaks it"
"If you want this in another language, move to a country that speaks it" 
