A Lack of Airmanship...Again!

[Chuck Ellsworth]

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[Shiny Side Up]

Caring is important, but to remain a flight instructor in Kanada the most important thing is make sure your nose is firmly inserted up the asshole of your TC inspectors.

Thanks for belittling the work we do. Sometimes it does feel like you've got your nose up their asshole, but only because they've wrestled you to the ground and beat you with some hot wheels track so they can fart on your face like any big brother would. And big brother is always watching for the opportunity, he hates it when the small kids play with their airplane toys.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

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[shitdisturber]

Caring is important, but to remain a flight instructor in Kanada the most important thing is make sure your nose is firmly inserted up the asshole of your TC inspectors.

While your remark was meant to be a slight against TC ., I can certainly see where a flight instructor might tend to take offense.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

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[shitdisturber]

While your remark was meant to be a slight against TC ., I can certainly see where a flight instructor might tend to take offense.

Why?

When this is the result if you refuse to be subservient when they act like bullies.

Or you will end up like me, barred from being allowed to instruct under their tightly controlled dictatorship.

Probably because you're implying that every instructor in Canada is a servile ass kisser under TC's thumb. For some reason, people seem to take offense at that.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

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[Hedley]

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[Chuck Ellsworth]

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[shitdisturber]

[quote=". EllsworthWell from what I have seen there are not many instructors who will take the risk of getting on the wrong side of any inspector regardless of how the inspector acts.

So if we call it something else besides ass kissing what term would you choose..subservient?

Or maybe I was unlucky enough to have met the only TC flight training employee who was a bully and made the error of not being subservient enough?[/quote]

While I'm sure the TC employee you met wasn't the only bully out there; it is a job tailor made for bullies after all, I'm equally sure there are flight instructors out there who've managed to go through their whole careers without running afoul of TC and not found it necessary to kiss ass along the way. Take me for instance. I managed to instruct for eleven years without any problems; or any need to kiss any asses during those rare occasions that I actually ran into one. Nor have I ever had a problem in telling them when I disagreed with them.

[trampbike]

For sure the pay for instructors would be high enough to attract the best.

There it is ladies and gentlemen, the moment you have all been waiting for.

This was the point where this thread went from Airmanship to instructor wages, eventually to instructor bashing, eventually into whether or not AMEs should be called engineers, and then someone will finally ask what a good headset for training is.

Seeing how this thread continues, I'd like to ask you something about the Telex Stratus 50d headset. I just bought I and can't make my Ipod work on it, how do I solve this terrible problem?
Thanks

[niss]

For sure the pay for instructors would be high enough to attract the best.

There it is ladies and gentlemen, the moment you have all been waiting for.

This was the point where this thread went from Airmanship to instructor wages, eventually to instructor bashing, eventually into whether or not AMEs should be called engineers, and then someone will finally ask what a good headset for training is.

Seeing how this thread continues, I'd like to ask you something about the Telex Stratus 50d headset. I just bought I and can't make my Ipod work on it, how do I solve this terrible problem?
Thanks

Ah Ah Ah!

We didn't debate engineer/mechanic....wait your turn! Jeebus, talk about airmanship!

[trampbike]

Sorry... Well then, my brother began his formation to eventually become an AME. I don't think he'll be an engineer since he is not going to study 4 years at the university. Case close, now, what about my new headset?

[niss]

Sorry... Well then, my brother began his formation to eventually become an AME. I don't think he'll be an engineer since he is not going to study 4 years at the university. Case close, now, what about my new headset?

Why in the blue @#$! are you trying to listen to music while operating an aircraft?! THAT IS A LACK OF AIRMANSHIP!!!!!

Look! We came full circle! Airmanship -D-> Instructor Wages -D-> Instructor Bashing -D-> Headset (error) -D-> AME...engineer or grease monkey? -D-> Headset -D-> Airmanship!

I love it when a plan comes together!

Congratulations to all who made this trip happen.

[mag check]

Cadors Number: 2007O0719Reporting Region: Ontario
Occurrence Information

Occurrence Type:Incident Occurrence Date:2007-05-04 Occurrence Time:2325 Z Day Or Night:day-time Fatalities:0 Injuries:0
Canadian Aerodrome ID:CYTS Aerodrome Name:Timmins Occurrence Location:Timmins (CYTS) Province:Ontario Country:CANADA World Area:North America
Reported By:Pilot AOR Number: TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No: Aircraft Information

Flight #:AB Aircraft Category:Aeroplane Country of Registration:CANADA Make:PILATUS - SW Model:PC 12 45 Year Built:1999 Amateur Built:No Engine Make:PRATT & WHITNEY-CAN Engine Model:PT6A-67B Engine Type:Turbo prop Gear Type:Land Phase of Flight:Taxi Damage:No Damage Owner:AIR BRAVO CORP Operator:AIR BRAVO CORP. (12515) Operator Type:Commercial
Flight #: Aircraft Category:Aeroplane Country of Registration:CANADA Make:CESSNA Model:180A Year Built:1957 Amateur Built:No Engine Make:TELEDYNE CONTINENTAL Engine Model:O-470-K Engine Type:Reciprocating Gear Type:Land Phase of Flight:Parked Damage:Minor Owner:510066 ONTARIO LTD Operator:AIR BRAVO CORP. Operator Type:Private Event Information
Other operational incident
Detail Information

User Name:Donaldson, John Date:2007-05-08 Further Action Required:Yes O.P.I.:Commercial & Business Aviation Narrative:The owner/pilot of a privately-operated 510066 Ontario Ltd. Cessna C-180 aircraft participating in a CASARA exercise called to report an incident which occurred on the Timmins Airport (CYTS) ramp during the exercise. The aircraft was being loaded in preparation for departure when an arriving Air Bravo Corp. Pilatus PC-12/45 aircraft squeezed between the parked SAR Hercules aircraft and the row of parked CASARA aircraft. The Air Bravo Corp. Pilatus was then turned around with high power setting in a reportedly very tight turn, blowing up considerable residual sand (screened limestone prepared for aerodrome use used for winter traction on the ramp and taxiways) across the parked aircraft and people present in the vicinity. One Cessna C-172 aircraft (reportedly parked with the brakes on but not tied down) weathervaned about 10º due to the propeller wash. The Cessna C-180 aircraft was pushed forward about 10 feet by the propeller wash and the cabin was filled with blown residual sand (as the doors and windows were open during the loading process). There reportedly was a clear ramp area slightly further along where a very leisurely turn around could have been made. Ops. impact -- several aircraft (and some people) were sandblasted by the propeller wash-blown residual sand.

Would this be considered "poor airmaship"

[Company Itin]

Back when I did my training (rec, and private) at ZBB, the flying club had the "area clear behind" on the runup checklist... So if it was the company I trained at, it would appear that ppl aren't reading the checklist.

[modi13]

Back when I did my training (rec, and private) at ZBB, the flying club had the "area clear behind" on the runup checklist... So if it was the company I trained at, it would appear that ppl aren't reading the checklist.

That's still in there, and we make sure our students adhere to that. A memo was sent out by the airport operator asking all the flight schools not to perform their runups in front of the restaurant at the terminal, which is directly behind customs parking, but at least on of the other schools still insists in performing theirs right there. The school with the "blue and white" Seneca is a bit further down, towards the white hangar, and has a propensity for behaviour such as this; I don't know how many times I've seem them plant themselves squarely in the middle of the helipads while performing their runups.

[BingBong]

So this morning I have a pilot wanting to go to Hope and land on the grass.
In previous times I would no be concerned at all, but now this pilot was trained elsewhere with perhaps all the bad habits I see people taxying around with in the Cessnas here.
These habits are not good on tarmac and certainly not safe on any rough surface!

But F**K It, I'm not used to swearing but I tell you what I see here sometimes makes me very angry.
Many instructors get away with training students rather than doing the job properly!
Who cares?

I care, perhaps too much....

Butt F*ck?????

[The Mole]

High School Air aka "NT air" does full power runs on there 1900 in front of an open hanger door all the time. Nobody in company seems to care. They never seem to care whats behind them either. If there engineers are to lazy to close a hanger door, what else are they not bothering to do.

In a flight training school, blame the instructors. In a so called proffesional out fit, blame the company and its poor and lazy company culture.

[Rowdy]

I've seen all kinds of pisspoor airmanship at ZBB and all across the country. I'm glad to see someone reported that air bravo machine. That sort of bs should not be tolerated. I'm guessing it wasnt the first time either...

[Old Dog Flying]

Rowdy: Having instructed out of Blunder Bay since 1983 and working in the tower there from 1985-2003, I've seen more really bad airmanship there than anywhere else since I started flying in 1952. The stupidity that runs rampant at the Bay scares the hell out of me and I have extra eyes when flying out of there now.

The guy that sez that "look out behind" is on their checklist has not been there for very long as I have seen the blue/white/gold Cessnas perform every possible form of stupidity...and I have a couple of scars to prove it...students and instructors alike from all of the schools, they all show me shit!

And now we have the PRC students who add to the mayhem because of their lack of knowledge ofthe official language of aviation.

Rant off

[modi13]

Rowdy: Having instructed out of Blunder Bay since 1983 and working in the tower there from 1985-2003, I've seen more really bad airmanship there than anywhere else since I started flying in 1952. The stupidity that runs rampant at the Bay scares the hell out of me and I have extra eyes when flying out of there now.

The guy that sez that "look out behind" is on their checklist has not been there for very long as I have seen the blue/white/gold Cessnas perform every possible form of stupidity...and I have a couple of scars to prove it...students and instructors alike from all of the schools, they all show me shit!

And now we have the PRC students who add to the mayhem because of their lack of knowledge ofthe official language of aviation.

Rant off

I agree, every school has students who do things which should not be tolerated, but throughout all of my training and instructing at my school, all of the instructors have made a concerted effort to teach their students to avoid taxiing and performing runups in front of the terminal and other aircraft. I've seen renters and students flying solo doing it, but I've never seen one of our instructors do anything like that. Other said school, however, seems to to go out of its way to disrupt other people, including, but not limited to, cutting off other aircraft that are already taxiing, and parking in front of aircraft doing runups to perform their own. Uusually when it happens it's because the instructor is encouraging the student to do it; I've seen them goad their students to get ahead of other aircraft taxiing for takeoff so they can get out first.

[PJ1]

Only one way to fix this all you geezers remenising the old days should give the high paying left seat and give back by becoming a instructor.

[modi13]

So this morning I have a pilot wanting to go to Hope and land on the grass.
In previous times I would no be concerned at all, but now this pilot was trained elsewhere with perhaps all the bad habits I see people taxying around with in the Cessnas here.
These habits are not good on tarmac and certainly not safe on any rough surface!

But F**K It, I'm not used to swearing but I tell you what I see here sometimes makes me very angry.
Many instructors get away with training students rather than doing the job properly!
Who cares?

I care, perhaps too much....

Today a certain Katana pulled up directly in front of me, about ten feet away, while I was doing my runup, so they could do their own. We were the only aircraft in the runup bay, and they could have gone on either side of us. Instead, they deliberately set up in order to buffet us and make it as difficult as possible to get out of there. I really appreciate the quality of instructing and the courtesy of the instructors at this particular school.

[Johnny#5]

For sure the pay for instructors would be high enough to attract the best.

There it is ladies and gentlemen, the moment you have all been waiting for.

This was the point where this thread went from Airmanship to instructor wages, eventually to instructor bashing, eventually into whether or not AMEs should be called engineers, and then someone will finally ask what a good headset for training is.

Does anyone know if the Bose X is better than the DC's? What about a Lightspeed?