yycflyguy wrote:Once it is implemented I am going to seek legal council on how I was discriminated against as a new hire and fight for equal pay for equal work just like the FAs do.
Well, start looking for lawyer then because this is not going to take years. I doubt it will even take months as inevitably the union and company are going to realize they've just been run over by a train. I bet it's the company that realizes it first.
It's been months away for years now. Thank god I didn't hold my breath.
yycflyguy wrote:Once it is implemented I am going to seek legal council on how I was discriminated against as a new hire and fight for equal pay for equal work just like the FAs do.
Well, start looking for lawyer then because this is not going to take years. I doubt it will even take months as inevitably the union and company are going to realize they've just been run over by a train. I bet it's the company that realizes it first.
It's been months away for years now. Thank god I didn't hold my breath.
Admittedly I'm giving them the undeserved benefit of the doubt for finally being able to recognize what has happened and deal with it intelligently for a change, but you're right. They haven't been able to do that to this point and have successfully dragged it out this long. The reason for my fingers crossed optimism is that the cost of further delays went up dramatically when the last ruling was made, and I keep hoping somebody making the decisions realizes it.
Sorry to take away from the Father's of Confederation coming back to fly debate.
Any news on where this thread started? Real info on the bid as to surplus or anything?
Thanks boys.
It's extremely unlikely the company knows what the crewing situation is until you know what is settled and they can actually look at some meaningful numbers. Pending that we are in a holding pattern with no EFC time.
the original tony wrote:Sorry to take away from the Father's of Confederation coming back to fly debate.
Any news on where this thread started? Real info on the bid as to surplus or anything?
Thanks boys.
As you were.....
Tony
The Captain I flew with on my last pairing sat beside Dave Legge on our deadhead and was told it will be a flat bid. We are currently operating at a surplus but as the retirements continue no furloughs will be required. Status quo and lower block months is better than the alternative. He also mentioned that we will see 4 equipment bids in 2010.
Thanks Yyc
Well, while we're waiting for the most greedy people in the airline to keep their god given seat, We unworthy bottom feeders who were not the chosen ones to be hired out of flight school continue to gamble with the devil.
You want reality in the industry and our country?
Then give me the phone number of a good trustee in the TO area. There are a lot of guys living month to month that rely on progression. Enough shit about your upgrade being delayed a few months. Or your move out of PG being a little delayed. How no retirement age can cause a few month delay is beyond me. This explanation should be fantastic. While you're at it i'll take that phone number, cause without this job i'm fucked.
That is the reality my family faces. I don't give a rats ass about your rights to stay past sixty when im loosing my house.
Expecting any rate of advancement in this industry is foolhardy no matter what, which is why our starting salary needs to be greatly increased so at least people can make a decent living. But you can't blame anybody else for your decision to come here. Nobody ever promised you (or me) anything in the way of advancement.
yycflyguy wrote:Want me to include your name in my new hire discrimination lawsuit? Equal pay for equal work, right? We should all be paid year 12 777 FO salary.
Hmmm. Sounds like status pay. I like it.
But be aware you might not because it would mean you won't upgrade to Captain for about 15 years.
Rockie wrote:Expecting any rate of advancement in this industry is foolhardy no matter what, which is why our starting salary needs to be greatly increased so at least people can make a decent living. But you can't blame anybody else for your decision to come here. Nobody ever promised you (or me) anything in the way of advancement.
Nope, nobody promised me advancement but when I signed up it was with age 60 as the finish line and logical attrition meant steady advancement. Same as when everyone signed up.
Rockie wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:Want me to include your name in my new hire discrimination lawsuit? Equal pay for equal work, right? We should all be paid year 12 777 FO salary.
Hmmm. Sounds like status pay. I like it.
But be aware you might not because it would mean you won't upgrade to Captain for about 15 years.
No problem. My conditions under status pay today would more than compensate what the salary is for year 5 EMB Captain. Plus the grievances for ACPA misrepresentation for pay progression and my discrimination case for unfair new-hire pay will make me as popular as the +65 crowd... but with the extra cash-ola at least I can still plan to retire at 60.
Gil, can you confirm at to whether or not the last CHRT ruling will allow flight attendants to fly past age 65? The ruling was broad-based - did not solely apply to pilots.
Martin Tamme wrote:Gil, can you confirm at to whether or not the last CHRT ruling will allow flight attendants to fly past age 65? The ruling was broad-based - did not solely apply to pilots.
Martin Tamme wrote:Gil, can you confirm at to whether or not the last CHRT ruling will allow flight attendants to fly past age 65? The ruling was broad-based - did not solely apply to pilots.
What......... grandmothers collecting their old age supplements will be serving the pax their coffee/snacks!! AC is gonna be a Senior Citizen/Geriatric outfit with all the old people wanting to fly and be FA's well into their 60's
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The CHRT ruling applies to all federally regulated companies. As such, Grandma can apply at Westjet. If she is refused, she could sue for age discrimination.
Martin Tamme wrote:The CHRT ruling applies to all federally regulated companies. As such, Grandma can apply at Westjet. If she is refused, she could sue for age discrimination.
O/K....... if Grandma/Grandpa want to be WallMart greeters, I am delighted they can make that transition to keep their minds tuned. But in the front end of a B777-300 keeping it right side up and pointed in the correct direction as well as back end folks looking after the emergency exits is a tad bit of a higher level I would assume. Then again I am not an airline pilot, never was!!!!!
Rockie, i find it amusing that you hide behind the fact that you feel discriminated against. I wasn't at AC when you were a president however i thought a person like yourself would want to leave the profession in a better state. what you are fighting for is going to adversely affect the career progression of our membership and you know it. Age 60 was the magic number when you moved up the ranks. The fact that pilots were retiring at this age allowed you to retire off the 777. You had your long career with us but if you want to take up a noble cause why don"t you volunteer for something that is not selfish in motivation but will benefit an impoverished group. Retired AC 777 captains aren't.
massey1 wrote:Rockie, i find it amusing that you hide behind the fact that you feel discriminated against. I wasn't at AC when you were a president however i thought a person like yourself would want to leave the profession in a better state. what you are fighting for is going to adversely affect the career progression of our membership and you know it. Age 60 was the magic number when you moved up the ranks. The fact that pilots were retiring at this age allowed you to retire off the 777. You had your long career with us but if you want to take up a noble cause why don"t you volunteer for something that is not selfish in motivation but will benefit an impoverished group. Retired AC 777 captains aren't.
Excuse me, but who are you talking about? Because it sure isn't me.
Default GAO report on Age 60 rule
The GAO came out with their required report on the age 60 rule and the impact it has on aviation safety. It can be found here:
For those of you that don't like reading (me included), it can be summed up by this one sentence: increasing the age limit for commercial airline pilots has no effect on aviation safety.
On another note:
I can confirm that Raymond Hall is not Rockie. Raymond just recently joined this forum on another thread as Raymond Hall.
Oh my! I hope not. 
