THE WORLD'S FIRST JET PILOT

[MrWings]

I wonder how many here who want to criticize Warsitz's post actually were ever in the armed forces, or better yet, would willingly volunteer to join if there was even a remote chance of becoming a casualty.

Are you asking if I'd rather join those goosestepping civilians to gas chambers or fighting against them at the risk of my own life?

Mark me down as a casualty.

[AEROBAT]

I wonder how many here who want to criticize Warsitz's post actually were ever in the armed forces, or better yet, would willingly volunteer to join if there was even a remote chance of becoming a casualty.

Are you asking if I'd rather join those goosestepping civilians to gas chambers or fighting against them at the risk of my own life?

Mark me down as a casualty.

Fighting civilians who are goose stepping into gas chambers? Whatever........

[Nark]

Timing on this post has nothing to do with it. Good on you, Herr Warsitz, for bringing this to our attention.





I'm sorry that you only remember those who have fought for their country but once a year.

[Brewguy]

I wonder how many here who want to criticize Warsitz's post actually were ever in the armed forces...

Exactly. I'm not offended by it. And apparently neither is Old Dog Flying or Nark.

The 'timing' of the post has SFA to do with it. For those here who got their nickers in a twist over this - get over yourselves.

[niwre]

indeed lest we forget Mrwings

watch this and maybe you'll learn something beyond victors history

http://nfb.ca/film/death_by_moonlight_bomber_command/

This film stirred up tons of emotions....

[Oor Wullie]

Thanks for the post Mr.Warsitz, great history lesson!

[IFRATC]

First off I want to start by saying, great post. It is a part of aviation history that is easily overlooked.
I am a former member of the Air Force. Remembrance day is a very emotional day indeed. But it is emotional for everyone.
I don't want to go into rights and wrongs here. But, Mr Wings, there are also certain members of the allied forces that decided it morally acceptable (along with the majority of its population), to drop not one, but two atomic weapons onto the Japanese people. There is never a right way of fighting war. Lest we forget ALL humanity that suffers at the hands of our leaders...

IFRATC

[wabano]

A bit of "history" for those who want to jump all over Warsitz, Churchill, Montgomerey and Patton wanted to leave the German armed forces intact after they surrendered and carry on through to wipe out Russia.

Absolutely correct, would have saved millions of lives, but hear that:

there are also certain members of the allied forces that decided it morally acceptable (along with the majority of its population), to drop not one, but two atomic weapons onto the Japanese people. There is never a right way of fighting war.

Ah! a follower of the naked fakir Gandhi, who admired Hitler, Hirohito and Stalin...
That rich South African lawyer told the Jews that the Shoah was swell and deserved and approved of
apartheid as long as Indians of South Africa where classified as white!

Give war a chance!

War got us rid of National-Socialism, Communism and is today preventing Islam from
enslaving us all as their pedophile prophet ordered.
Fact, the first action of the American Navy was to free the slaves of
the Barbary pirates, who had been enslaving millions of Europeans for a millenia...
(Not counting the three hundred million African slaves that muslims sold all over.)

[conehead]

I was reminded of how horrible a situation our soldiers were put into because of a truly evil leader and a nation so enamoured and willing to blindly follow him.

Kinda reminds me of the Americans blindly following George Bush into Iraq for totally bullshit reasons.... any idea how many Iraqis were slaughtered?

[Nark]

Kinda reminds me of the Americans blindly following George Bush into Iraq for totally bullshit reasons.... any idea how many Iraqis were slaughtered?

I kind of have an idea.

[wabano]

Georges Bush is an honorable man who did not bow down
to Kings and murderous dictator Sheiks as the joker do.
But when you follow a naked buffoon who beat his wife daily and forced her
to wash his feet in public...

[IFRATC]

I was merely trying to point out the irony and hypocracy of the human mind during times of aggression and war. The Americans rushed in to thwart the german war machine from building and using an atomic weapon. Then they themselves used the very weapon they were trying to stop!!!! All in the name of good I presume??
Nothing good comes from war. New borders are drawn. Those that win take pieces of land that they rightfully believe to be theirs, and then the cycle begins again. Someone will always be oppressed by the outcome.
I AM A PROUD FORMER MEMBER OF OUR ARMED FORCES. I proudly support our troops and would stand beside them. I do not however always believe the spindoctor politicians and there global agendas!!!

IFRATC

[Old Dog Flying]

I AM A PROUD FORMER MEMBER OF OUR ARMED FORCES. I proudly support our troops and would stand beside them. I do not however always believe the spindoctor politicians and there global agendas!!!

IFRATC

And so am I!

Barney

[wheresmybox]

Georges Bush is an honorable man who did not bow down
to Kings and murderous dictator Sheiks as the joker do.
But when you follow a naked buffoon who beat his wife daily and forced her
to wash his feet in public...

Really can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not... but if you're trying to compare Ghandi to George Bush and coming out with the latter being the greater, you are incredibly wrong.

Not that I want to turn this into a discussion regarding Ghandi, but nowhere will you read a credible source that says he beat his wife daily. He admitted that he had beat "his young wife" in his autobiography, but this was before he changed his life and developed his popular philosophy.
A quick excerpt from Wikipedia on "Ghandism"

Mohandas Gandhi's early life was a series of personal struggles to decipher the truth about life's important issues and discover the true way of living. He admitted in his autobiography to beating his young wife, and indulging in carnal pleasures out of lust, jealousy and possessiveness, not genuine love. He had eaten meat, smoked a cigarette, and almost visited a prostitute. It was only after much personal turmoil and repeated failures that Gandhi developed his philosophy.

Also, the washing of one's feet is a common practice in that part of the world, especially at the time. Jesus had his feet washed often, it's not really something you should judge a man's character on. Not even sure if that picture you posted is of his wife.

Regardless, none of that has anything to do with their policies or ideals. It does not make the philosophy of using war to solve a problem versus diplomatic means stronger or weaker.

The costs of "not bowing down to Kings and murderous dictator Sheiks" can be measured in the tremendous human casualties both for NATO troops, American troops, Iraqi and Afghan civilians. You can also measure it in the economic recession the world is experiencing as the US spends billions upon billions of dollars occupying a foreign country that still never solved the problem of terrorism or was it weapons of mass destruction? Hmmm, can't remember what it was Bush said....

War didn't get rid of National-Socialism, it got rid of Nazi dictatorship. It also did not rid the world of communism as there are many people in this world still living under communist governments, unless we're ignoring the most populous country in the world. War isn't preventing Islam from enslaving anyone. It is still the fastest growing religion in the world, with or without occupation and constant war in Iraq/Afghanistan. The best weapon against any religion, good or bad, is probably secular education, IMO.

But yeah, "give war a chance." Let's use Remembrance Day as a day to remember not the atrocities and tremendous loss of life, but to remember that war seems to work out well and we should always remember to give it a chance. Awesome advice, awesome posts wabano. See you on the front lines!

[reality check]

Georges Bush is an honorable man who did not bow down
to Kings and murderous dictator Sheiks as the joker do.
But when you follow a naked buffoon who beat his wife daily and forced her
to wash his feet in public...

Of all the dumb, uninformed, culturally ignorant, politically ignorant, and plain stupid content I've seen posted here over the years, this just about takes the cake.

How do some of you make it in life?