A TC inspector came to my plane while I was doing a charter flight
The guy just asked for our licences and aircraft documents.
He never took a minute to check our flight plan and weight and balance, didn’t check our baggage neither, he didn’t turn on the master to see if everything in our plane was working, he didn’t check how much fuel we had, etc, etc.
What is finally TC doing in the field to control that regulations are being respected and the safety of passengers it not in danger?
the mustang.
TC inspectors.
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Re: TC inspectors.
I always thought the pilot was responsable for the safety of the passengers. Do you want some government official looking over your shoulder?????
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Re: TC inspectors.
It's not illegal to crash. It's just illegal to crash without the proper paperwork.
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Aerobat
I have nothing to hide and I don’t need a TC inspector to force me to do my job, but have you ever flown for 703-704 operator? don't you know what's going on that particular sector of our Industry?
I have nothing to hide and I don’t need a TC inspector to force me to do my job, but have you ever flown for 703-704 operator? don't you know what's going on that particular sector of our Industry?
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I still believe the pilot is responsible for the safety of the flight and if you think it is not safe don't go. If there is an accident you are the one who is blamed. I havn't flown commercialy for 13 years now but when I did I never felt uncomfortable with any flying we did.
I am sorry if you thought I was saying you had something to hide when in fact I implied the opposite. If I was a TC inspector and saw your licence and the fact your plane had a current annual ect I would assume you were flying within the C of G envelope and had sufficient fuel for the trip. I would actually be a little ticked off if he didn't think I was.
I am sorry if you thought I was saying you had something to hide when in fact I implied the opposite. If I was a TC inspector and saw your licence and the fact your plane had a current annual ect I would assume you were flying within the C of G envelope and had sufficient fuel for the trip. I would actually be a little ticked off if he didn't think I was.
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If the paperwork is in order then it is safe to fly according to Transport Canada.
I know a company in YVR that passed a maintenance audit that was strictly a review of documents. Not once did Transport take a look at a single airplane. The company in question couldn't even track what parts were on what plane. The company in question also fixed airplanes with stolen parts.
Need to pass a maintenance audit - all you need is liquid paper and a box of Parker pens.
Just because a logbook says that a procedure was "...carried out in accordance with..." doesn't mean it was actually done.
I know a company in YVR that passed a maintenance audit that was strictly a review of documents. Not once did Transport take a look at a single airplane. The company in question couldn't even track what parts were on what plane. The company in question also fixed airplanes with stolen parts.
Need to pass a maintenance audit - all you need is liquid paper and a box of Parker pens.
Just because a logbook says that a procedure was "...carried out in accordance with..." doesn't mean it was actually done.
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The ICAO says "all scheduled inspections must be augmented by periodic random inspections of all facets of the operation."
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That's the problem, you can't assume when it's about passenger safety.AEROBAT wrote:I would assume you were flying within the C of G envelope and had sufficient fuel for the trip. I would actually be a little ticked off if he didn't think I was.
I could being flying over weight, I could have snags that weren't in the logbook, I could have baggage not secured, I could being carrying dangerous goods that are not allowed to be carried with passengers, I could not have enough fuel to meet IFR requirements for an IFR trip, etc, etc
In aviation, you never assume.
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Re: TC inspectors.
The Inspector would have been from either C&BA or Enforcement ... the rest are supposed to stay away from 700 series operators.
TC is in the process of a massive reorg now and nobody really knows who does what just yet. I'm told the old C&BA is going to be broken up and inspectors reassigned to work in other areas.
He likely didn't want to hold you up so you could depart on time without delaying your passengers, or didn't check any deeper,.... lest your boss complain to his boss that heavy handed police-state tactics had been used and you were tortured by an agent of the government ...... as if this were East Germany in 1962 under Honiker and you were contemplating escaping to the west by tunneling under the Berlin Wall.
The Inspector's boss wouldn't have backed him up without first conducting an internal investigation, and would have left him in a state of suspended animation for a few months with a complaint regarding alleged mis-conduct hanging over him. In that time, the TC boss wouldn't have done anything to investigate the matter regardless of the inspector's requests to have the matter dealt with to clear his name.
Also in that time, he most likely would be confined to a desk .... because after all ... regardless of many years of faithful service, like Major Hasan, he might have suddenly gone rogue, snapped, and actually done what the operator accused him of.
That is most likely why he didn't ask you to turn on the master, check fuel, load security, W&B, flight plan, weather, pilot currency, functional autopilot, working instruments, etc.
If he had returned to the office with a clip board and checklist full of info, photos, and seized documents, he would undergo an internal interrogation as if he were a fish poacher caught at streamside by a game warden. From there, the info sits in a filing cabinet for months before any further action is taken .... long enough that you the alleged offender are totally clueless as to what had taken place that day because you've flown 200 other sectors in the meantime.
After all, they have either 6 or 12 months to take action on the file.
Oh, and if your company is "diligently pursuing SMS" .... Inspectors are supposed to be "hands off" these companies so that SMS can be allowed to mature and supposedly catch any infractions before they happen.
Another thing .... you "little guys" in 702, 3 and 4 don't carry enough people to make negative headlines for more than a few days, so who cares. The big concerns and big money goes to 705 operations, and it is presumed they are aware of the ramifications of an accident that they are self-regulating due to economic considerations.
So all in all Mustang Zero Six ..... that's most likely why your ramp check didn't dig any deeper.
OFD
TC is in the process of a massive reorg now and nobody really knows who does what just yet. I'm told the old C&BA is going to be broken up and inspectors reassigned to work in other areas.
He likely didn't want to hold you up so you could depart on time without delaying your passengers, or didn't check any deeper,.... lest your boss complain to his boss that heavy handed police-state tactics had been used and you were tortured by an agent of the government ...... as if this were East Germany in 1962 under Honiker and you were contemplating escaping to the west by tunneling under the Berlin Wall.
The Inspector's boss wouldn't have backed him up without first conducting an internal investigation, and would have left him in a state of suspended animation for a few months with a complaint regarding alleged mis-conduct hanging over him. In that time, the TC boss wouldn't have done anything to investigate the matter regardless of the inspector's requests to have the matter dealt with to clear his name.
Also in that time, he most likely would be confined to a desk .... because after all ... regardless of many years of faithful service, like Major Hasan, he might have suddenly gone rogue, snapped, and actually done what the operator accused him of.
That is most likely why he didn't ask you to turn on the master, check fuel, load security, W&B, flight plan, weather, pilot currency, functional autopilot, working instruments, etc.
If he had returned to the office with a clip board and checklist full of info, photos, and seized documents, he would undergo an internal interrogation as if he were a fish poacher caught at streamside by a game warden. From there, the info sits in a filing cabinet for months before any further action is taken .... long enough that you the alleged offender are totally clueless as to what had taken place that day because you've flown 200 other sectors in the meantime.
After all, they have either 6 or 12 months to take action on the file.
Oh, and if your company is "diligently pursuing SMS" .... Inspectors are supposed to be "hands off" these companies so that SMS can be allowed to mature and supposedly catch any infractions before they happen.
Another thing .... you "little guys" in 702, 3 and 4 don't carry enough people to make negative headlines for more than a few days, so who cares. The big concerns and big money goes to 705 operations, and it is presumed they are aware of the ramifications of an accident that they are self-regulating due to economic considerations.
So all in all Mustang Zero Six ..... that's most likely why your ramp check didn't dig any deeper.
OFD
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Re: TC inspectors.
OFD
I could not have said it any better myself.
That's what it has been like for the last couple of years, for me at least. Retirement from the regulatory system, which you and I both enjoyed so much for a long time, is a welcome relief from the system that was, for me, encroaching on stifling any kind of protection for the public and the pilots operating in the "new" system of regulatory reform.
TC chose a fork in the road. That choice provides great benefit to TC since they finally found a way to "clerckify" the regulatory inspection business and could finally be done without those "expensive" Civil Aviation Inspectors. That method will allow even summer students to put check marks in boxes on Operator Inspections to make sure that the operation is being done safely.
I hope it works out.
For those of you that get "ramped" by a "real" Inspector and want to comment about it, don't worry, that's all about to end and you won't have to worry about being checked for flying overloaded, fatigued, flying with uncomfortable snags and broken aeroplanes, in below limits weather and being pushed by into a corner to get the trip done by an owner, operator or chief pilot, or with no paperwork anymore. Soon you will not be nagged by any of those doubts. Just go ahead and take the trip. At least you'll get paid and get a few more precious hours in the log book for your cherished move up to that nice shiny fuselage hugging job you've always wanted.
Fairly soon there will be no one will be there to check on you.
Soon you'll no longer be able to make any comments on what an ordeal it was dealing with a real experienced TC Inspector because there will be no more Inspectors out there.
(It's kind of like the police being disbanded for traffic enforcement. Nobody would have to worry about drunk drivers and speeders any more).
A relief for some, I know. You can finally just go ahead and do it. You'll get to log it all without some stupid regulation to stop you. My best wishes to you and whatever God of Luck you might aspire to.
So Mustang06 the end is near for your apprehensions or the TC Inspectors apparent incompetence, since soon you won't see those evil Inspectors around any longer checking little things or maybe tearing your aeroplane apart anymore, so you will be free to do whatever you want without any fear of the repercussions of you or others getting "caught" (or not).
I realize this whole posting is a bit negative, but OFD is correct in his summary of things the way I see them going in the near future. The politicians must finally take the system to heart and regain some control of the camprunamok regulatory system we are about to encounter without some intervention.
It appears some of our petitions may have some good affect and I hope those go well in the House of Commons and I hope it happens very soon.
I could not have said it any better myself.
That's what it has been like for the last couple of years, for me at least. Retirement from the regulatory system, which you and I both enjoyed so much for a long time, is a welcome relief from the system that was, for me, encroaching on stifling any kind of protection for the public and the pilots operating in the "new" system of regulatory reform.
TC chose a fork in the road. That choice provides great benefit to TC since they finally found a way to "clerckify" the regulatory inspection business and could finally be done without those "expensive" Civil Aviation Inspectors. That method will allow even summer students to put check marks in boxes on Operator Inspections to make sure that the operation is being done safely.
I hope it works out.
For those of you that get "ramped" by a "real" Inspector and want to comment about it, don't worry, that's all about to end and you won't have to worry about being checked for flying overloaded, fatigued, flying with uncomfortable snags and broken aeroplanes, in below limits weather and being pushed by into a corner to get the trip done by an owner, operator or chief pilot, or with no paperwork anymore. Soon you will not be nagged by any of those doubts. Just go ahead and take the trip. At least you'll get paid and get a few more precious hours in the log book for your cherished move up to that nice shiny fuselage hugging job you've always wanted.
Fairly soon there will be no one will be there to check on you.
Soon you'll no longer be able to make any comments on what an ordeal it was dealing with a real experienced TC Inspector because there will be no more Inspectors out there.
(It's kind of like the police being disbanded for traffic enforcement. Nobody would have to worry about drunk drivers and speeders any more).
A relief for some, I know. You can finally just go ahead and do it. You'll get to log it all without some stupid regulation to stop you. My best wishes to you and whatever God of Luck you might aspire to.
So Mustang06 the end is near for your apprehensions or the TC Inspectors apparent incompetence, since soon you won't see those evil Inspectors around any longer checking little things or maybe tearing your aeroplane apart anymore, so you will be free to do whatever you want without any fear of the repercussions of you or others getting "caught" (or not).
I realize this whole posting is a bit negative, but OFD is correct in his summary of things the way I see them going in the near future. The politicians must finally take the system to heart and regain some control of the camprunamok regulatory system we are about to encounter without some intervention.
It appears some of our petitions may have some good affect and I hope those go well in the House of Commons and I hope it happens very soon.
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OFD, AEROBAT and CP, you are all bang on. Sorry Mustang, you need to appreciate the fact that this rare inspector did exactly what an experienced and smart inspector would do. It's like the ground portion of the PPC... if you nail the first two questions, the CP need not go any further in testing you... (OK three questions what the hell...).
The police analogy works too. If you know there is a check and balance system out there, you will follow the rules.
I would be honoured to be ramp checked... it rarely happens.
As others have said, inspectors are being re-assigned as lumber advisors at Home Depot. Only the next Dryden Inquiry will bring back a national audit program that is worth the name.
The police analogy works too. If you know there is a check and balance system out there, you will follow the rules.
I would be honoured to be ramp checked... it rarely happens.
As others have said, inspectors are being re-assigned as lumber advisors at Home Depot. Only the next Dryden Inquiry will bring back a national audit program that is worth the name.
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Only time I was ramp checked it was a RCMP officer pulling his car up in front of the plane when I shut down. Nice guy, had a checklist of documents he wanted to see, and I had to show him what each doc was and explain how they worked (he was just given a check list and no explanation of what the paperwork actually was for or looked like. Nice guy, just no aviation background, but even he poked his head around the aircraft looking for unsecured cargo, and anything that 'looked' broken and important on the aircraft. He said TC sometimes asks the RCMP to do checks. I think it was a slow day at the office so the sent him on a make work project.
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Re: TC inspectors.
I have been ramped many times and in several countries -- it's always been a documentation check and nothing more - the load compliance and like are left to the audits - that's commercial now for a private pilot - that I have never experienced.
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Re: TC inspectors.
What do you ex inspectors think of the new audit system,I do not like the rating system they use,and they came right out and said they do not expect many to pass.
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I’ve got very useful information with this post, thanks guys for your thoughts.
It seems that everyday it’s an opportunity to learn something new.
Anyway, there are things going on out there that don’t need further explanation here, just hope TC will do something to fix them.
Finally I’m not saying that the inspector was incompetent, he was very courteous but away, I just thought that he could go deeper with the inspection, I understand why now.
Thanks, more input is welcome..
Mustang06
It seems that everyday it’s an opportunity to learn something new.
Anyway, there are things going on out there that don’t need further explanation here, just hope TC will do something to fix them.
Finally I’m not saying that the inspector was incompetent, he was very courteous but away, I just thought that he could go deeper with the inspection, I understand why now.
Thanks, more input is welcome..
Mustang06
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Re: TC inspectors.
Mustang06 wrote:A TC inspector came to my plane while I was doing a charter flight
The guy just asked for our licences and aircraft documents.
He never took a minute to check our flight plan and weight and balance, didn’t check our baggage neither, he didn’t turn on the master to see if everything in our plane was working, he didn’t check how much fuel we had, etc, etc.
What is finally TC doing in the field to control that regulations are being respected and the safety of passengers it not in danger?
the mustang.
What's this about a Transport Canada inspector turning on the master switch? Last I heard was that TC was not permitted to touch a single thing on the aircraft. How can one of these inspectors determine what is functioning on a type that they probably do not hold a PPC on? Has something changed? I need to know.
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no, it's not about turning the master on, read again pls.
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Widow wrote
TC in their rush to impress the world has made the fundamental error of attempting to apply ICAO to small operators, which is tanamountly undoable. TC officials, when they are attending international conferences are waving the flag and cheering how far advanced Canada is in SMS. Other countriy officials, when they find out you are from Canada are asking how this could be as they are having trouble implementating SMS with the small operators.
It is high time that ICAO stops being put forward as the standard for small Canadian operators.....and TC start telling the other countries the truth of where SMS is in Canada with regard to small operators (702/703/)
The ICAO says "all scheduled inspections must be augmented by periodic random inspections of all facets of the operation."
ICAO officials have also recently stated at an international conference that ICAO rules and regulations were intended only to apply to international air carriers. They were never intended to be applied to small national operators.
TC in their rush to impress the world has made the fundamental error of attempting to apply ICAO to small operators, which is tanamountly undoable. TC officials, when they are attending international conferences are waving the flag and cheering how far advanced Canada is in SMS. Other countriy officials, when they find out you are from Canada are asking how this could be as they are having trouble implementating SMS with the small operators.
It is high time that ICAO stops being put forward as the standard for small Canadian operators.....and TC start telling the other countries the truth of where SMS is in Canada with regard to small operators (702/703/)
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The Old Fogducker
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Re: TC inspectors.
Tripledecker:
There is no such prohibition mentioned in the Aeronautics Act.
Much to your surprise, once you reach a certain level of experience in this industry, it is reasonably easy to determine if basic equipment is serviceable with most of the Canadian Registered fleet without holding a current ... or expired, PPC on type.
A quick perusal of the Aeronautics Act shows that a Civil Aviation Inspector has considerable legal power ... here is an excerpt from the Aeronautics Act relating to those powers of inspection ...
8.7 (1) Subject to subsection (4), the Minister may
(a) enter, for the purposes of making inspections or audits relating to the enforcement of this Part, any aircraft, aerodrome or other aviation facility, any premises used for the design, manufacture, distribution, maintenance or installation of aeronautical products or any premises used by the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority, regardless of whether or not the inspection or audit relates to that place or to the person who possesses or controls it;
(a.1) remove any document or other thing from the place where the inspection or audit is being carried out for examination or, in the case of a document, copying;
(b) enter any place for the purposes of an investigation of matters concerning aviation safety;
(c) seize anything found in any place referred to in paragraph (a) or (b) that the Minister believes on reasonable grounds will afford evidence with respect to an offence under this Part or the causes or contributing factors pertaining to an investigation referred to in paragraph (b); and
(d) detain any aircraft that the Minister believes on reasonable grounds is unsafe or is likely to be operated in an unsafe manner and take reasonable steps to ensure its continued detention.
Subsection 4 deals with obtaining Search Warrants for dwelling houses .....
(4) Where any place referred to in subsection 5.7(6) or subsection (1) of this section is a dwelling-house, the Minister may not enter that dwelling-house without the consent of the occupant except under the authority of a warrant issued under subsection (5).
There is no such prohibition mentioned in the Aeronautics Act.
Much to your surprise, once you reach a certain level of experience in this industry, it is reasonably easy to determine if basic equipment is serviceable with most of the Canadian Registered fleet without holding a current ... or expired, PPC on type.
A quick perusal of the Aeronautics Act shows that a Civil Aviation Inspector has considerable legal power ... here is an excerpt from the Aeronautics Act relating to those powers of inspection ...
8.7 (1) Subject to subsection (4), the Minister may
(a) enter, for the purposes of making inspections or audits relating to the enforcement of this Part, any aircraft, aerodrome or other aviation facility, any premises used for the design, manufacture, distribution, maintenance or installation of aeronautical products or any premises used by the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority, regardless of whether or not the inspection or audit relates to that place or to the person who possesses or controls it;
(a.1) remove any document or other thing from the place where the inspection or audit is being carried out for examination or, in the case of a document, copying;
(b) enter any place for the purposes of an investigation of matters concerning aviation safety;
(c) seize anything found in any place referred to in paragraph (a) or (b) that the Minister believes on reasonable grounds will afford evidence with respect to an offence under this Part or the causes or contributing factors pertaining to an investigation referred to in paragraph (b); and
(d) detain any aircraft that the Minister believes on reasonable grounds is unsafe or is likely to be operated in an unsafe manner and take reasonable steps to ensure its continued detention.
Subsection 4 deals with obtaining Search Warrants for dwelling houses .....
(4) Where any place referred to in subsection 5.7(6) or subsection (1) of this section is a dwelling-house, the Minister may not enter that dwelling-house without the consent of the occupant except under the authority of a warrant issued under subsection (5).
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Re: TC inspectors.
Dreidecker stated:
"What's this about a Transport Canada inspector turning on the master switch? Last I heard was that TC was not permitted to touch a single thing on the aircraft. How can one of these inspectors determine what is functioning on a type that they probably do not hold a PPC on? Has something changed? I need to know."
You ask "Has something changed?"
Apparently the "last you heard" was from someone that likely was perhaps angry, or misinformed and probably misguided and spoke without sufficient knowledge of the Aeronautics Act or may have been deliberately trying to mislead you, perhaps to coerce you into denying a TC Inspector onto your aircraft and thus subjecting yourself into numerous charges involving the Aeronautics Act. Perhaps you could explain to the person that "told" you about what you "heard" and have that person expand on those reasons and explain to you what part of the AA or for that matter the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that prevents any civil authority from inspecting anything in any manner that is fitting under the circumstances.
You need to know, so I'd suggest you ask the person what that person knows about an Inspectors Ministerial Delegation of Authority.
By the way where is Cat Driver when it comes to this kind of discussion. He has been mysteriously absent for at least a week or so now?
"What's this about a Transport Canada inspector turning on the master switch? Last I heard was that TC was not permitted to touch a single thing on the aircraft. How can one of these inspectors determine what is functioning on a type that they probably do not hold a PPC on? Has something changed? I need to know."
You ask "Has something changed?"
Apparently the "last you heard" was from someone that likely was perhaps angry, or misinformed and probably misguided and spoke without sufficient knowledge of the Aeronautics Act or may have been deliberately trying to mislead you, perhaps to coerce you into denying a TC Inspector onto your aircraft and thus subjecting yourself into numerous charges involving the Aeronautics Act. Perhaps you could explain to the person that "told" you about what you "heard" and have that person expand on those reasons and explain to you what part of the AA or for that matter the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that prevents any civil authority from inspecting anything in any manner that is fitting under the circumstances.
You need to know, so I'd suggest you ask the person what that person knows about an Inspectors Ministerial Delegation of Authority.
By the way where is Cat Driver when it comes to this kind of discussion. He has been mysteriously absent for at least a week or so now?
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Re: TC inspectors.
Perhaps . has been kidnapped in the dead of night by those moral degenerate Inspectors who are no better than common street thugs....you know ... those pilots with so little moral integrity that they can cash a pay cheque issued by DOT.
Tripledecker .... I found myself contemplating, do you think pilots that become Inspectors go from doing their first VOR approach under the hood into TC .... and then suddenly take it upon themselves to start boarding unattended 777s on the ramp, and flipping switches to determine if the FMSs software versions are airworthy, or the number 3 autopilot is serviceable for autoland?
How about, "lets turn on the master, and select gear up to see if the squat switch is working? .... after some loud noises .... Gee, I guess it isn't wired properly .... proves my suspicions were correct, now lets go through the log and charge the last decade worth of pilots that flew this leaking, wheezing, hunk of junk ... just to teach them a lesson in aviation safety."
As one of the best Central Region Inspectors ...now long retired ... said ... "Sir, are you deliberately trying to provoke a confrontation here?"
The Old Fogducker
...... edited to remove the name of a distinguished, retired TC Inspector ... posted without thinking of the restrictions against using personal names or identifiers.
Tripledecker .... I found myself contemplating, do you think pilots that become Inspectors go from doing their first VOR approach under the hood into TC .... and then suddenly take it upon themselves to start boarding unattended 777s on the ramp, and flipping switches to determine if the FMSs software versions are airworthy, or the number 3 autopilot is serviceable for autoland?
How about, "lets turn on the master, and select gear up to see if the squat switch is working? .... after some loud noises .... Gee, I guess it isn't wired properly .... proves my suspicions were correct, now lets go through the log and charge the last decade worth of pilots that flew this leaking, wheezing, hunk of junk ... just to teach them a lesson in aviation safety."
As one of the best Central Region Inspectors ...now long retired ... said ... "Sir, are you deliberately trying to provoke a confrontation here?"
The Old Fogducker
...... edited to remove the name of a distinguished, retired TC Inspector ... posted without thinking of the restrictions against using personal names or identifiers.
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I don't know about the rest of the folks on this website, but me, I get up in the am, get my coffee and hit AvCanada to see what The Old fogdocker has come up with for gem(s) !! Makes my day !!
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There was some rucus a while ago where security Inspectors were boarding aircraft and opening panels with out the knowlege of the aircraft owner !!! That scares me It also scares me that the Inspector looking at the aircraft may have little if any knowlege of that type of aircraft
the latest I hear is that TC HQ wants to make regulations with out going through gazette 1
Club TC needs to be dis assembled and rebuilt
