Civil Aviation Program manager doesn't need to be a pilot.

[Skyhunter]

https://psjobs-emploisfp.psc-cfp.gc.ca/ ... psrsMode=1

Seems TC wants a civil aviation program manager, but it is odd that there is no need to be a pilot to qualify for the job!

[Brewguy]

I see nothing odd about that.

They want someone with project management experience. I don't see how someone spending a few hundred hours flying would qualify them.

If you've ever worked in either, oh lets say construction or engineering, you'll recognize that an effective project manager / program coordinator type need not have hands-on expertise in the tasks being done by others. I.e. you don't need to be a master electrician to know that the houses in a new subdivision need to be wired - you just need to know what contractor needs to be scheduled, at what point in the building process and how long they'll need to do the job.

Its entirely possible that for this particular position, its more important to know how to use a gantt chart, than a VG diagram, or how to recover from a spin.

[Invertago]

Doesn't have to be a pilot, but he/she will start as a rampie to pay dues, then move into the office.

[Brewguy]

Awesome!

[Joe Blow Schmo]

I see nothing odd about that.

They want someone with project management experience. I don't see how someone spending a few hundred hours flying would qualify them.

Indeed, but as per usual with the Canadian government, the most important criteria seems to be that you're not able-bodied and white!

Organizational Needs which may apply for this position.
Selection may be limited to members of the following Employment Equity groups: Aboriginal persons, visible minorities, persons with disabilities

I don't suppose anybody ever thought that perhaps the job should be given to the most qualified person no matter what colour he/she might be.
I wonder how well it would go over if I posted a job and said "selection may be limited to able-bodied white people"


Don't even need a high school diploma either, so all you dropouts please apply!

A secondary school diploma or an acceptable combination of education, training and/or experience.

[moocow]

Does Chinese still count as minority? I could use a new job and I even graduated from university.

[mdscientist61]

A secondary school diploma or an acceptable combination of education, training and/or experience.

Don't even need a high school diploma either, so all you dropouts please apply!

Wow, this means that somebody who has a PhD in Aviation will be over-qualified

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[C-FABH]

Too bad.... if they required a pilot background, they could probably get away with only paying half of that posted salary..

Give me a call at budget-time, TC!

[The Old Fogducker]

The basic qualifications for the job are described below .... oh, and don't trust whitey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsyS0oHLNFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Vp9fQ616k

[Rubberbiscuit]

Too bad.... if they required a pilot background, they could probably get away with only paying half of that posted salary..

Give me a call at budget-time, TC!

Ain't that the truth !

[Cranium]

No surprise on this one - a company's PRM (Person responsible for maintenance) doesn't need to be an AME.

Does a chief pilot have to be a pilot?

[Brewguy]

No surprise on this one - a company's PRM (Person responsible for maintenance) doesn't need to be an AME.

Nor should they be. Why would you need to hire a skilled mechanic to push paper? What you need is a scapegoat ... er, I mean someone to hold responsible.

Does a chief pilot have to be a pilot?

Yes.

Now, lets see what other occupations we should figure out while we're at it...
Should you be an AME to work the ramp? After all, you're touching an airplane that's on the ground (not flying).

Perhaps you should have to have an ATPL or CPL with 'x' hours to be a dispatcher ... after all, who else could possibly know enough about aviation to do the job.

[Cranium]

good point - but a PRM should know what is going on & what he's talking about

[jeta1]

[Brewguy]

Would you like to explain these "immense ramifications"?
I'm just not sure why some pilots think that having a license and a bunch of hours qualifies them to do every job in the industry, whether that work is administrative, managerial, etc.

[Widow]

What folks in industry need to be reminded is that ALL TC jobs are being flat-lined for classification review, complete new job descriptions, and re-assignment of staff in the ensuing mess to whatever classifications suit their needs. Human resources consultants from outside TC are being contracted out to review, change, write and make decisions which will affect hundreds of gobsmacked and powerless TC employees. The folks with the biggest bulls-eye on their back are those who earn the most money, simple as that. They don’t look at what is needed, they look at cutting costs.

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[bmc]

Would you like to explain these "immense ramifications"?
I'm just not sure why some pilots think that having a license and a bunch of hours qualifies them to do every job in the industry, whether that work is administrative, managerial, etc.

+1

[C-FABH]

I'm just not sure why some pilots think that having a license and a bunch of hours qualifies them to do every job in the industry, whether that work is administrative, managerial, etc.

And here I was thinking it only qualified you to be superior to everybody else

/not a pilot

[Shax]

Thks widow, nice to see you're back from your Vancouver SMS-fest.

Brewguy - agreed and understood, a civil aviation program manager does not NEED to be a pilot, nor should it discourage professionnal pilots to apply for it. And there in lies the problem. ATR-rated pilots will not come to TC as GT's or PMs. The "job positions" should be open to a number of possible trades : pilots, AMEs, controllers, engineers, business analysts etc, and then the chosen employee shall be hired at his or her occupational level corresponding to his or her qualifications. With TC going to GTs to replace a large number of inspector positions (not nly pilots, AMEs and many others too), industry pilots will no longer look at TC for a 2nd career. this all stems from former manager positions in the regions which were atthe CAI-5 level, and for which other trades were not allowed to compete for. That has been fixed since. Now there should be no need to go ballistic the other way.

I find it interesting that so many of you will take the heed of an uneducated aviation individual so quickly when it suites the needs of the day; but then turn to say that qualifications are indeed required for something else where an educated (albeit maybe non-operational experieinced - i.e. pilot) could perform quite efficiently and appropriately in an adminitrative job. If this is where an ATP is to end up - I would question his/her judgement as to spending the time, money and heart ache to get the ATP, only to work a desk.