TC inspectors.

[snaproll20]

Mustang, you should be happy the particular inspector acted in the usual fashion.
The vast majority of TC inspectors are not out to get you.......unless you give them cause to believe they should. (That does not include the very few who should be dragged out and publicly executed.)

I don't undertand why you would question his actions when he really did not bug you at all. (?)

and, Widow. That is a very interesting comment about ICAO and 703 704 implementation of SMS. It is astonishing how far TC has gone off track.

[Mustang06]

Snaproll20:

You are probably right, maybe this guy after analyzing my behaviour and willingness in cooperate he understood that I had nothing to hide, so that’s why he finally let me go without conducting a deeper inspection.
Anyway, my point here it’s not about this inspector in particular (who I insist was very friendly and professional), my point it’s: if Transport wants to find who are the pilots or companies that don’t respect the rules they should ask for something more than just aircraft documents and pilots licences. Somebody mentioned here that it’s too easy to fake a document.
If pilots knows that are TC inspectors out there checking baggage, entering in to the cockpit, checking fuel and W&B, then they will think twice before flying overweight or with snags,etc.
I hope I made my point.

[W5]

Dreidecker stated:


By the way where is Cat Driver when it comes to this kind of discussion. He has been mysteriously absent for at least a week or so now?

From Pprune

http://www.pprune.org/canada/384920-avc ... hip-2.html

You can read Avcanada all you want now flybabe because I have finally decided that enough is enough so I decided the best way to solve the problem is don't post there anymore.
When I first started to share my experience with TCCA on Avcanada it was in the hope it would prevent someone else from making the same mistake I made when I followed their rules, it just went from there to the point that I was unable to shake the habit.

[AME 283]

TC had a good program for the small operator, for a select few, but then they seem to have dropped the ball !!! But they are auditing non SMS companies to SMS standards ?? That one I have difficulty following

[snaproll20]

Mustang

Welcome to the new world of Canadian aviation.
Please re-read what the "Old Fog Ducker' and others have said on here.
they know what they are talking about.
It should be in everyone's interest to ensure that TC does its job, and does it properly, and ethically. However, this is no longer true which is why, (even though health reasons got me out of the business,) I do not envy you, or your managers' situations the way things are going.

p.s. you mentioned the inspector "let you go". Please don't take that attitude. You were doing nothing wrong that he could see, so he merely sent you on your way having conducted his responsibilities in an ethical fashion.

And, a word of advice. Should you be unfortunate enough to meet one of TC's bullies, make sure you hit him firmly over the head with the tail stand (or any other blunt instrument.)

Fly safe.

Sharp pilots conduct dull flights.

[The Old Fogducker]

I don't know about the rest of the folks on this website, but me, I get up in the am, get my coffee and hit AvCanada to see what The Old fogdocker has come up with for gem(s) !! Makes my day !!

Sasquash:

Its wonderful to know I have an appreciative audience.

Since I don't have a media empire to run concurrent with my aviation career any longer, its nice to have an outlet for my creativity.

Out of pure idle curiosity I picked up a real estate guide at a restaurant this morning, and started reading it while waiting for my breakfast to be served.

The always good sport, Mrs Fogducker noticed a couple of churches for sale that could no longer be supported by their parishioners.

Mrs Fogducker came up with a superb suggestion ... that I buy a church and establish a sanctuary for my most avid AvCanada followers like you Sasquash.

Just think, we could raze houses in the immediate neighbourhood to allow for proper arcs of fire from the bell tower, and encircle the church with razor wire. Of course, hyper-agressive guard dogs would run free between layers of concertina wire, and purely for visual effect, some scowling, goose-stepping armed guards would patrol the perimeter while wearing surplus North Korean Army uniforms.

At night, very strong spotlights would sweep the area from the bell tower, and shadowy figures would occupy the windows. From time to time, a grizzly, scarred face would be momentarily visible as a cigarette is lit by a flicked Bic.

Then in fine style, we could refer to the place as a "Followers Compound," not a church.

So, stand-by for more information as I contemplate that great suggestion from Mrs Fogducker. The time may be nigh for you to liquidate all your physical assets, put your cash into a burlap sack, and join the ranks of "Fogducker's Followers."

That name is merely a proposal, subject to revision after a few brewskis causing divine inspiration.

Sasquash.... Regards to you from The Old Fogducker

[Sasquash]

Wow OFD there is just no proper come back to that! But thanks for the memories; you brought me back many years to my former employment!! Looking forward to how this story develops while I get my burlap sack on stand by. Will you consider getting getting your Ministries' ticket off the internet? You could perform weddings and such for the newly converted (former TC inspectors?). It's got a nice ring, Father Fogdocker?

[BJ Titsengolf]

OFD,
I have the burlap sack ready to go and wish to be allowed to give the first sermon at this new enterprise. Between the two of us I'm sure we can save many sanctimonious moral degenerates along the way...can't wait to go along for the ride....BJ

[The Old Fogducker]

I'm whipped and over-tired after a 14+ hour duty day, and will take this up asap. The next 2 days will be long ones too, so don't mistake brief responses for weakness .... like Joe Stalin, The Old Fogducker has a firm grip on the ship of state's tiller.

I'm highly impressed with the response to date.

Yes, Sasquash, I'll consider obtaining an on-line degree Doctor of Divinity because "Father Fogducker" does have an attractive ring to it. The best part is that I will also be able to determine who in the compound will be allowed to breed.

Titsengolf, ....you've got a deal because you were the first one to "get it" and commit your financial resources .... to the layperson, that means "he's put his money where his mouth is" and I'm confident that once your particular brand of "Fire & Brimstone" will save the souls of those TC degenerate street thugs.

We most certainly need to include some ceremony that involves howling at the moon and drinking chicken blood though!

I remain open to suggestion as to further refinements of this concept.

The Old Fogducker

[The Old Fogducker]

A TC inspector came to my plane while I was doing a charter flight
The guy just asked for our licences and aircraft documents.
He never took a minute to check our flight plan and weight and balance, didn’t check our baggage neither, he didn’t turn on the master to see if everything in our plane was working, he didn’t check how much fuel we had, etc, etc.
What is finally TC doing in the field to control that regulations are being respected and the safety of passengers it not in danger?

the mustang.

What's this about a Transport Canada inspector turning on the master switch? Last I heard was that TC was not permitted to touch a single thing on the aircraft. How can one of these inspectors determine what is functioning on a type that they probably do not hold a PPC on? Has something changed? I need to know.

I did some looking around and found a General Aviation Inspector conducting an ramp check gone wrong on a Remax sight-seeing balloon....its obvious he didn't hold a PPC on type.

OFD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejt54t-o9po

[The Tool]

OFD... that fella looked much nicer than any G/A Inspector I have come across

Samsqautch...do I detect a man crush on OFD ???

Seriously now... What can't there be bad TC Inspectors ? TC Inspectors believe it or not come from the same human race we all do ! Nice people, mean people, smelly people, slow people, hyper intelligent blah blah blah.

TC CASI & CAIs are human folks ! There are some real gems, some middle of the roads and finally some dirt bags. You know what !?!?! I betcha OFD's dentures against my CBC shares that make-up of people is the same as where you are working right now irrelevant of aviation or not.

Free hint to all.... if a TC Inspector is giving it to you and not having the courtesy of at least providing the reach around...grin and bear it. On-site at the time he/she will win no 'ifs' 'ands' or 'buts'. Make your case after the fact through appropriate avenues and channels.

Now off to start shopping for a shower gift...spring nuptials Samsquatch & OFD ? Colours please

[The Old Fogducker]

Tool:

Yup, there sure are some real doozies in the department all right.

It was my misfortune to run into one based in the Edmonton office about 30 years ago, and be forced to work with him as my POI for approximately three years.

He was better suited to working for the Nazis searching homes in Holland for resistance members hidden in attics.....and every single attic was presumed to contain resistance members, even if it had been searched only 10 minutes before.

It was a giant failing of "the system" that he was allowed to interact with the public for many years before finally ending up in the "Special Projects" section, because he was totally unsuited to anything which involved the concept of interpersonal relations. Every single difficulty or question .... regardless of size or complexity he encountered was a protruding nail in an otherwise smooth surface, and his personality was the steam-driven jackhammer.

It was misery just speaking with him on the phone, and to be forced to deal with him in person was infinitely worse, begining with laying eyes on his scowling face and lack of response to a simple "Hello." There sometimes was a break and I'd end up with his partner instead ... and his partner also detested being on the road with him doing inspections because he would have to clean up the devastation left in his snail trail of slime.

And the trouble is .... it only takes one of these types in a regional office to screw up the normally excellent educational work done by the majority for a decade or more.

Some types of TC Managers love having one of these bulldog-Rotweiler crosses on staff, because indeed there truly are some operators that require exactly this type of personality to counter their own brand of pit-viper personality....and in that role they are excellent.

For those 99% of operators and pilots that don't require a dry-glove prostate examination to be compliant with the regs, its definitely over-kill.

OFD

[Prairie Chicken]

Hey, OFD, I’m enjoying your plans for future endeavours. I'm also pleased to hear that Mrs. Fog is of similar (warped) mind to yourself. It sounds like you're enjoying your retirement.

I believe I had the dubious honour of knowing the inspector to whom you refer. Brilliant guy, if you could get beyond his personality, but I believe you’re being rather harsh when you compare him to bulldogs & Rotties. Those really can be lovely dogs....

[W5]

Hey OFD, were his initials N.R? He was a piece of work.

[The Old Fogducker]

Bingo! .... We have a winner!

The prize goes to W5 over there in the smoke shrouded cheap seats of the Bingo Hall usually frequented by pilots..... he looks like he could finally use a break in life.

It was that "Five under the I" that made his day.

Oh, and Prairie Chicken ... thanks for your note. I didn't mean to offend any mixed breed dog owners by my previous post....I've got one of my own after all ... came from a rescue shelter.....although my Vet thinks he may actually be a Smooth Coated Collie. I'm just in the early stages of training him to be an "Fogducker's Followers Enclave Protection Animal."

And regarding the "brilliance" of the aforementioned model inspector, I never got sufficiently past the snarling exterior to benefit from his well hidden brilliance ... so ultimately, how much good was it?

With respect to the compound, I need to work in the word "enclave" somewhere. It adds an especially sinister ring to it.

OFD

[The Tool]

Collective "awwwwwww" from Avcanada

[The Old Fogducker]

Thanks Tool ....Mrs Fogducker really likes that picture.

I think this one, where he is undergoing conditioning to prepare him for a life "behind the wire" is better suited for inclusion in this thread.

As a part of his training for running between the various layers of concertina wire to act as part of the perimeter defence system at the "Fogducker's Followers Enclave," later today I'll start to toughen him up in the same way that TC Inspectors are trained in Cornwall .... by placing him in a cage and poking him with a stick.

That is, unless you feel you want to save this cute, cuddly puppy from being converted to a "working dog." You can curtail the training of this cur by delivering a sack full of unmarked bills to a designated drop-off point near you ... location details to follow.

The Old Fogducker

[nacho]

It's like everywhere else in life, the good and the bad. Until I find one of the bad, my experience with ramp checks, are very good.
Lucky me, the same guy in Wakaw came on the last one to our place in MB.
I have only good things to say about this inspector.
This Summer he came back to see us regarding a complaint of low flying by a guy that lives in a farm(not a farmer).
My boss was apparently the culprit but we had all the GPS data to prove otherwise. Again the best you can expect from an Inspector.
Hopefully one day I retire from flying with just that memory.

[Panama Jack]

ICAO officials have also recently stated at an international conference that ICAO rules and regulations were intended only to apply to international air carriers. They were never intended to be applied to small national operators.

Huh? ICAO Annexes were not meant to apply to General Aviation or to Domestic Operators?

[CD]

ICAO officials have also recently stated at an international conference that ICAO rules and regulations were intended only to apply to international air carriers. They were never intended to be applied to small national operators.

Huh? ICAO Annexes were not meant to apply to General Aviation or to Domestic Operators?

Yes, no and maybe. Annex 6, for instance, contains three parts:
Part I - International Commercial Air Transport - Aeroplanes
Part II - International General Aviation - Aeroplanes
Part III - International Operations - Helicopters

So, yes there are SARPS that address general aviation. If a State does not have any air operators that ever leave their airspace then theoretically, the domestic regulations could be completely different then the ICAO SARPS. Of course, aviation doesn't work that way so States do either adopt the SARPS or create their own regulatory environment to meet or exceed the minimum details in the SARPS.

Here are a couple of links with an overview:

ICAO ANNEX 6 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation Operation of Aircraft - Overview
Making an ICAO Standard

[beaverbob]

OFD and W5

Did N.R. have a limp? If so he was one of my flying instructors at the Victoria flying club in 68 and then my instructor flight tester in Ft St John [ Edmonton region] in the early seventies. Kind of tough, if I recall correctly.
Bob

[The Old Fogducker]

Bob ... I really can't recall.

One thing I remember clearly was that he was overweight and "burley."

On the super-rare times he would at attempt to carry on a conversation, he used to speak about flying a T-33 in the Air Force, and how neat it was to do High TACAN approaches. That didn't impress me much, when compared to the Air Force experience his partner Jimmy D had instructing for the Saudis (I think it was) in BAC Strikemasters, and a couple of tours in Moose Jaw as the base maintenance test pilot.

He was a super-neat fella, who showed me a slick trick of flying with an open pill bottle of water taped to the top of the instrument panel to calm student6s .... and it worked too.

OFD

[beaverbob]

Yes, OFD, my instructor, N.R., was a T33 pilot in the airforce. The limp was from a motorcycle accident. When I learned to fly at the Victoria Flying Club all the instructors were retired military pilots.
Bob

[W5]

Somebody (ex- RCAF/CAF)told me once that N.R's Air Force experience was all B.S. Don't know if that was the case or not.

Yes, Jimmy D. did some instructing in Saudi on the Strikemaster. I remember him showing me a pic. of the result of a spintest with one tiptank full and the other empty. A heaping mess, he was the pilot (bailed out). He had some good stories. I did some aerobatics with him in the seventies; quality guy and an excellent instructor. I also liked him as an inspector.

One of the last stories I heard about N.R was when he pulled up the gear on the King Air too soon after T/O (Ponoka? Wetaskawin?) . Apparently the props hit the pavement, but he continued. When the other TC inspector asked him if they shouldn't go back to check for damage, his reply was: hell, those guys can look after their own runway....

I have a few more, but they might get some people in trouble.

Hey Bob, when were you in FSJ?

[beaverbob]

[quote="Hey Bob, when were you in FSJ?[/quote]

I think it was 74 or 75 or maybe a bit of both.
Ft St John Aviation