Admission Averages: Flight Programs

[Wants2Fly]

So, although it can be found throughout the site, scattered in separate forums, I'm hoping that in this forum, grads or current students could share their high school marks(to allow an easy and accurate comparison of what grades will get you into what programs).
Confederation, Sault, Seneca, Western, Conestoga etc...

(I figure that most people will apply to just about all of them, like I plan to)

[AUGER9]

Confed, low 70s should do it.

[deflux]

Confed, low 70s should do it.

Not anymore, I was just shy of getting accepted for Sept 2008 and I was in the 80's

[Phenom]

You need about an 84-85% for Western.

[Wants2Fly]

Confed, low 70s should do it.

Not anymore, I was just shy of getting accepted for Sept 2008 and I was in the 80's

Could you elaborate please? How high in the 80's?

[dt1019]

Confed, low 70s should do it.

Not anymore, I was just shy of getting accepted for Sept 2008 and I was in the 80's

I think this also depends on the courses you've taken. I had all Grade 12U courses including two 12U math courses and 12U physics and I was accepted into Confederation quite early only with my first semester high 70s average. This was also for Sept 2008.

Also based on Sept 2008 admission, got into Western with an 83-85%.

On a another note, the University of Waterloo Aviation programs require high 70s (with most students getting in with 80+ average, though some got in with mid 70s I think? A relatively newer program taking a wider range of marks I guess).

[Jonesie]

Sault - 80%+
Unless you have some flying experience and harder highschool courses they may let you in with below 80%'s but you will fail out in 3 months if you can't pull 80's

Oh, and the Zlins are wicked!

[Xeth]

I think my marks were shy of the Sault but I was accepted into Conestoga, Confederation and Algonquin.

Throughout highschool, I took all U courses and my average was in the mid 70s and I applied for the 2007 year. Seems like only yesterday and I'm already done everything.

[dt1019]

I think Grade 11 marks can also help (this would be my guess when I looked at my case...). I was accepted into Sault and Confederation early on with only a high 70s average for the first semester with all 12U courses...but my Grade 11 marks were in the mid 80s.

For Seneca...I THINK you HAVE to do their admission exam or else you have no chance whatsoever. I received a rejection letter from Seneca saying I was not considered because I did not attend their exam session (which by the way costs around 80 buxs to do), although my average was in the mid 80s.

[sepia]

Sault - 80%+
Unless you have some flying experience and harder highschool courses they may let you in with below 80%'s but you will fail out in 3 months if you can't pull 80's

Oh, and the Zlins are wicked!

It was years ago, but I had well below 80% and I graduated.

[CGZMT]

Had high 80's to low 90's in last years of highschool with all 12U and 11U courses. Got into confed. Higher marks will help you get in. So if you not sure just work harder and get your marks up, it won't hurt you to improve your marks. If you are a class A student then keep them up there, don't slack off, cause if you do get in you can't afford to slack off. Last time I checked you had one chance to make it. If you failed out that was it, unless you had not started flight training(thats another topic).

[C-GOYR]

I'd be interested in knowing what the guys/gals that got accepted to seneca this sept. average was.

I had a look at their testing (it's on their website) and it isn't too bad although some questions can be a bit tricky.

If I recall correctly admission to seneca is based on your high school plus the results from the their testing. I'm just assuming here and correct me if you can...perhaps if you apply with high 70's to low 80's (high school average) and you pull off a good score on their testing you might increase your chances.

Perhaps if there are a few seneca students here they'll provide us with more accurate info.

[mike662]

I'm in first year Seneca right now, and the program is amazing so far. From what I understand, for admission they look at your averages from grade 12 (the required courses + your 2 optionals) as well as your results from the admissions testing. My grade 12 average for all courses was about 91%, with my top 6 averaging 95%. I have seen a few people that make me wonder how they ever got in, while others that I know who had good high school marks got rejected. You need to consider one major thing though: Getting in isn't the worst part. Statistically I think it's around 20-something that graduate, with about 90-something starting. So you have to be very motivated to stay in this program because if you don't make it to the end, there goes money that could have been spent at a local flight school instead. I mean sure, the flying is subsidized, but my 1st and second semester fees averaged to $4000 each. Now add the summer semester to that + residence + food, etc., you might just be better doing the training on your own if you don't feel like handling the program. Some people in my classes I see trying hard so that they get passing grades, while others just give up and complain math/mechanics/whatever is too hard but they don't bother seeking help. Basically, if you want to get into the program and try your hardest to stay in, then you'll make it and the program really is excellent from what I've seen so far. But if you think that this is somewhere where you can pay $10000 a year for a free ride to a career, consider other options.

[182_capt]

Well Mike662, it looks like you deff have the attitude to be at Seneca.
Where do they find these guys???

[mike662]

Hehehe the school's just in it for the money if you ask me (just like any other school) and are good enough to persuade people to join in. I think you can categorize the students into 3 groups: 1)those who knew about the college because they dream of becoming pilots and try hard to become one and thought Seneca was a good place to start (such as myself and I believe the majority of the students in the program) ; 2) Same as #1 but never took an introductory flight, don't really know what to expect, end up having difficulty flying and either fail or drop out because of the flying portion ; 3) those who looked through the Seneca brochure and were like: "hmm, plumber, electrician, OOH PILOT!!!" (nothing against plumbers or electricians though) and have the grades to get in but then don't have the motivation to stay. If Seneca targeted their marketing toward group 1, less people would fail. But then again, they only want the money and by third year (I think?) they only have 2 multi trainers, so they need less students in order to accommodate everyones flight training. One last thing: when I say Seneca wants money I don't mean that about the profs. The profs here are amazing and are always available for extra help if you need it.

I did a lot of research before I came to Seneca and I know it's hard to find specific information on some things. So if anyone has any questions about what it's like to go through the application to Seneca, anything about first year, residence or what not, feel free to message me or post. And good luck to all who apply!

[L1011]

Well Mike662, it looks like you deff have the attitude to be at Seneca.
Where do they find these guys???

+1

There's always at least one kid in the first year of one of these programs that talks about how great they are to be in the school they're in before they so much as do a walk around.

[mike662]

People on this forum are always so cocky. The guy asked a question, and knowing what situation I was in before, I answered his question as best as I could and I answered it lightheartedly, not in stuck-up tone. Also, I have done a walk around my friend, I have been in cadets and have a GPL and PPL (sorry, I guess I'm cocky and stuck up for saying that too). How about you come meet me over a beer and then you can judge me? I think I'm going to leave this forum because too many people just have nothing better to do then judge others. Grow up.

[L1011]

I apologize, I should have been more specific...I meant walk around an aircraft at their college. Maybe your program seems great now, but talk to some of the students in the higher years, see what they have to say. And even if people are always cocky on this forum like you claim you don't have to continue that trend.

I'm not judging you. I was just remarking how there seems to be posts like these every year.

[mike662]

I guess I'm just happy because a lot of people complained about the program and it seems a lot better than what I expected. I have spoken with upper years and graduates and they all say the same, which is that the program is worth it. Many seem to agree that first year is the hardest, so that's another reason why I'm happy, because I'm almost half way done. Are you still at Seneca or done now? What do you think about it so far?

[L1011]

I didn't want to hijack the thread, so I sent you a PM

[flyordie17]

The person who created this thread asked about programs and averages. So mike662 simple gave him an answer. Did mike662 start this thread saying hey everyone!!!look at my marks..no he didn't so why critique him for answering the question. Maybe your too ashamed to post your marks...or jealous that he got to go to school and do well. Maybe instead of trying to knock someone down to your level you congradulate them. Now your calling him cocky, I bet your probable a pilot and you are probable a cocky person who wants to come on here and knock whoever you can, and thats cool. Maybe instead of wasting everyones time with your useless posts, stop knocking the guy whose actually giving someone useful information. He's a student, hes not being cocky, he was i nthe same situation last year and wanted to know. So he's helping out, hes not being cocky. If you are a pilot I'd like to know for who, cause im staying far away from that operator because you obviously got some confidence issues.

[flyordie17]

Hopefully I don't get attacked for this and called cocky, but in response to the creator of this thread. Pretty much if your average is in the low to mid 90's then your going to be able to pick and choose. Obviously the higher your marks are the better chance you have, and of course it al ldepends on the year and who your competing against. Confed wont give you any credit for having academic courses vs college courses. Conestoga does give you some extra points though if you have academic and with Sault and Seneca academic courses are a must. Whe nyou do get into a college and I hope you do, make sure you weigh out your options. Theres tonnes of threads on here argueing which school is better, but they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Confed is only 2 years and the courses strictly relate to flying so you get in and get out and its a very good program from what i can see. Just an opinion. Sault you have an extra year and you get your multi, now everyones gonna say you can get your multi in 2 weeks which is true but how can you compare a year training vs 2 weeks. Seneca is 4 years and you get a degree, but not all the courses are directly flying related. So really you have to weigh out your options and research the school. Don't let anyone tell you one school is better then another, its all about what suites you and what you wanna do. I had mid 80 highschool marks and got to choose where i wanted to go. Im not being cocky im simple stating my grades like you asked. Marks have never come to me easy I have no problem admitting it, I had to work for them. As long as you have the drive you can do anything. Hope this was helpful and good luck. If you don't get into where you wanna go, then dont settle for anything less. Take a year off and improve a few courses, make some money then reapply next year. Theres no shame in that. Good luck

[Dujan]

I'm in first year at Seneca as well. It seems so far to be a great program and the atmosphere is a lot different than many people think. It seems that a lot of people on the forum think there's an attitude problem and that people will stab each other in the back to do well in the program. In reality, the atmosphere is professional but at the same time its relaxed and friendly.
Like other people have said with respect to getting in, its really important to do well on the admissions test. The weight between that and marks is about half and half, so I'd recommend just reviewing a lot of basic math and grammar, because that comprises the bulk of the testing.

Good luck to everyone on getting in wherever you applied. My best advice is to look at what you like. Seneca is a degree and has a really experienced faculty, but at the same time has much higher tuition than other programs and has more classes that are not related to flying. Sault and Confed both look like great programs as well, and going to a normal flying school definitely has advantages. Pick the one that's best for you.

Good luck!

Dujan

[Wants2Fly]

Hopefully I don't get attacked for this and called cocky, but in response to the creator of this thread. Pretty much if your average is in the low to mid 90's then your going to be able to pick and choose. Obviously the higher your marks are the better chance you have, and of course it al ldepends on the year and who your competing against. Confed wont give you any credit for having academic courses vs college courses. Conestoga does give you some extra points though if you have academic and with Sault and Seneca academic courses are a must. Whe nyou do get into a college and I hope you do, make sure you weigh out your options. Theres tonnes of threads on here argueing which school is better, but they all have their advantages and disadvantages. Confed is only 2 years and the courses strictly relate to flying so you get in and get out and its a very good program from what i can see. Just an opinion. Sault you have an extra year and you get your multi, now everyones gonna say you can get your multi in 2 weeks which is true but how can you compare a year training vs 2 weeks. Seneca is 4 years and you get a degree, but not all the courses are directly flying related. So really you have to weigh out your options and research the school. Don't let anyone tell you one school is better then another, its all about what suites you and what you wanna do. I had mid 80 highschool marks and got to choose where i wanted to go. Im not being cocky im simple stating my grades like you asked. Marks have never come to me easy I have no problem admitting it, I had to work for them. As long as you have the drive you can do anything. Hope this was helpful and good luck. If you don't get into where you wanna go, then dont settle for anything less. Take a year off and improve a few courses, make some money then reapply next year. Theres no shame in that. Good luck

Thank you very much for the sound advice and specifics(very upfront with your marks)! I am carefully weighing the pros and cons of all programs, while attempting to clearly assess of what my goals are. Very Helpful indeed. And thank you to every one for your comments(the tangent about Seneca included)

[L1011]

Maybe your too ashamed to post your marks...

I have an I.Q. of 48 and am what some people call "mentally retarded."