Not Guilty. Must be a very tough day for the families of victims looking for closure and the RCMP investigators who have no doubt spent the majority of their careers working this case. I guess the big question is what next? Is an appeal viable after such a long and painful investigation? Will it be thrown in the vault and everybody just move on?
CBC NEWS:
VANCOUVER - A judge has found millionaire Sikh businessman Ripudaman Singh Malik and sawmill worker Ajaib Singh Bagri not guilty of conspiracy and murder in the 1985 Air India bombing that killed 329 people. The men were also acquitted on charges related to a separate bomb that killed two Japanese baggage handlers the same day. Justice Ian Bruce Josephson of the British Columbia Supreme Court began reading the verdict at 1 p.m. EST. Almost one hour into the reading of his verdict, Josephson said he simply did not believe the testimony of witnesses who linked the men to the two bombs. Calling them inconsistent, he said they surfaced too late to be credible, though he accepted the Crown's theory that there was a conspiracy to bring down Air India flights.
Air India 182 Verdict
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Fork-Tailed Devil
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CSIS also botched some evidence apparently. Don't have all the details, but one report had the judge criticizing their handling of some of the evidence and I though I read some was inadmissable due to poor handling.
Unbelieveable. What an insult to the 300+ lives lost over some battle taking place on the other side of the world (the Golden Temple attack I read had been one of the trigger events leading to the bombing).
So at the end of the day, one guy gets manslaughter charges and everyone else walks away.
Unbelieveable. What an insult to the 300+ lives lost over some battle taking place on the other side of the world (the Golden Temple attack I read had been one of the trigger events leading to the bombing).
So at the end of the day, one guy gets manslaughter charges and everyone else walks away.
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who really cares about the money lost...i'm sickened that someone can get away with mass murder.
this whole "investigation" was a bloody joke...it was CSIS vs. RCMP instead of The People vs. The Criminals. csis didn't want to share information with the feds and vice versa.
the feds for some reason deleted all their wire taps of the accused while they were being monitored prior to the bombs going off...it even went so far that they video taped these people going into a BC forest and setting off a test bomb...and these idiots did absolutely nothing, no charges, no nothing.
this just proves that csis, the rcmp, and the canadian government (u can include all branches) are all full of shit.
sorry for the rant...i know ppl who were on that flight and this is just a sad reminder of their passing.
this whole "investigation" was a bloody joke...it was CSIS vs. RCMP instead of The People vs. The Criminals. csis didn't want to share information with the feds and vice versa.
the feds for some reason deleted all their wire taps of the accused while they were being monitored prior to the bombs going off...it even went so far that they video taped these people going into a BC forest and setting off a test bomb...and these idiots did absolutely nothing, no charges, no nothing.
this just proves that csis, the rcmp, and the canadian government (u can include all branches) are all full of shit.
sorry for the rant...i know ppl who were on that flight and this is just a sad reminder of their passing.
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What a fcuking travesty. :puke:
Proves that in Canada you can commit mass murder and walk. That shit ain't finished yet. Anybody wanta bet those assholes will sue for unlawfull arrest, mental anguish and anything else the lawyers think they can get away with?
I watched a program on W5 about ten years or so ago, when it came out that CSIS had erased tapes and thrown out other relevant evidence. The W5 crew interviewed the then head of the Indian Intelligence Agency, who was himself a Sikh. He said there had to have been a cover-up, because nobody could be that incompetent.
Proves that in Canada you can commit mass murder and walk. That shit ain't finished yet. Anybody wanta bet those assholes will sue for unlawfull arrest, mental anguish and anything else the lawyers think they can get away with?
I watched a program on W5 about ten years or so ago, when it came out that CSIS had erased tapes and thrown out other relevant evidence. The W5 crew interviewed the then head of the Indian Intelligence Agency, who was himself a Sikh. He said there had to have been a cover-up, because nobody could be that incompetent.
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What I can't quite understand is if Ernst Zundel can be detained on a National Security Certificate for four + years before being deported for fomenting hate, why can't these guys be detained on the same basis. They have the one man on video in NY back in '84 advocating the slaughter of 50 000 Hindis. Is this not enough to justify detention as a National Security risk, as Zundel was deemed to be? I would argue yes.
Justice calls for due process and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. But this isn't about justice, this is about security. This may sound Orwellian, but in my view, if you stand on a street corner and shout your intention to kill 50 000 people, you should be locked up, be it in a "mental health" institution or in a conventional prison. The price of waiting to see if you actually do it (or influence others to do your bidding) is too high a price for society to pay.
And again, if Zundel satisfies the criteria, at least one of these guys did too.
Justice calls for due process and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. But this isn't about justice, this is about security. This may sound Orwellian, but in my view, if you stand on a street corner and shout your intention to kill 50 000 people, you should be locked up, be it in a "mental health" institution or in a conventional prison. The price of waiting to see if you actually do it (or influence others to do your bidding) is too high a price for society to pay.
And again, if Zundel satisfies the criteria, at least one of these guys did too.
Why wasn't this personn deported. In New York saying lets kill people.
We let all these SH in canada and take it up the ass.
If you say anything, then you are termed a racisist.
All I can say poor people on the aircraft.
Another ramp. last night in the news, some of the victims claiming because they were white, things would have been different.
I aggree theat the RCMP and CS screwed up because of there biocract fueds., but lady take a lok around who the minorty are here in toronto and vancourver
Just ranting, have a nice da
We let all these SH in canada and take it up the ass.
If you say anything, then you are termed a racisist.
All I can say poor people on the aircraft.
Another ramp. last night in the news, some of the victims claiming because they were white, things would have been different.
I aggree theat the RCMP and CS screwed up because of there biocract fueds., but lady take a lok around who the minorty are here in toronto and vancourver
Just ranting, have a nice da
Once again the justice system leaves us shaking our heads. This is very sad all of those families filled with hope, finally the people who acted in hate were going to get what was comming to them. I just hope the defence is feeling really guilty right now they have just help to criminals get off and the families will now suffer evenmore because the two guys who killed thier family members are now walking the streets. So to the Defence and jury Thank you we now have two criminals back on the street.
OH CANADA!
OH CANADA!
A lot of the early inaction in this matter flows directly from the left wing's often misguided application of "multi-culturalism." If any pre-emptive action had been taken against these guys 20 years ago on the basis of their bomb testing, hate mongering, threats, and involvment in terrorism the government of the day (Conservative if I recall correctly) would have quickly been labelled racist.
The two higher profile early players in the Babar Khalsa (Khalistan seperatist/terrorist organization) movement, Parmar(killed by Indian Army) and Reyat (convicted bomb maker) often claimed racism in response to RCMP/CSIS investigations and monitoring of them. And predictably, Babar Khalsa members, the Sikh Youth Federation, the Liberals, NDP, and media jumped right on that band wagon.
The government knew these guys were terrorists, they knew they were plotting bombings, they were warned by Indian intelligence that they were plotting to attack Air India, they knew they were fund raising in Canada to buy weapons, they knew they were directing government funding from their private Khalsa schools into terrorist activities, they knew a lot about these guys before Air India was bombed. But, no pre-emtive action was taken because that would be racist. Family members claiming things would have been done differently if this had involved white people are absolutely correct, but probably for the wrong reason.
The two higher profile early players in the Babar Khalsa (Khalistan seperatist/terrorist organization) movement, Parmar(killed by Indian Army) and Reyat (convicted bomb maker) often claimed racism in response to RCMP/CSIS investigations and monitoring of them. And predictably, Babar Khalsa members, the Sikh Youth Federation, the Liberals, NDP, and media jumped right on that band wagon.
The government knew these guys were terrorists, they knew they were plotting bombings, they were warned by Indian intelligence that they were plotting to attack Air India, they knew they were fund raising in Canada to buy weapons, they knew they were directing government funding from their private Khalsa schools into terrorist activities, they knew a lot about these guys before Air India was bombed. But, no pre-emtive action was taken because that would be racist. Family members claiming things would have been done differently if this had involved white people are absolutely correct, but probably for the wrong reason.
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Come to think of it, pre-emptive action would have been entirely un-Canadian. Pre-emption is a part of the Bush Doctrine and we must not attempt this at home, be it against one terrorist or against many, for then we would no longer be viewed as compassionate and caring. It is our lot in life to allow ourselves to fall victim before raising a hue and cry and allowing the perpetrator to walk away.
Remember folks, what matters to Canadians is Peace and Health Care, and little else.
Remember folks, what matters to Canadians is Peace and Health Care, and little else.
If this was an Air India aircraft why was the trial not in India?
Why are these people waging war from a peaceful country like Canada ?against another commonwealth country like India?Does this not put the citizens of this country at risk?I do not think i would to travel next to one of those thugs just in case one of the many enemies they have decide to do something nasty.
An Intelligence service that operates without Intelligence should be called an unintelligence service or useless for short. ie DND dumb n dumber.
You can't blame the judge after all what protection would he have from those guys if he found them guilty ?they killed all the witness's before the trial started.
Why are these people waging war from a peaceful country like Canada ?against another commonwealth country like India?Does this not put the citizens of this country at risk?I do not think i would to travel next to one of those thugs just in case one of the many enemies they have decide to do something nasty.
An Intelligence service that operates without Intelligence should be called an unintelligence service or useless for short. ie DND dumb n dumber.
You can't blame the judge after all what protection would he have from those guys if he found them guilty ?they killed all the witness's before the trial started.
The trial was in Canada because the bombs were made in Canada, by Canadians, and were loaded on the airplane in Canada.
National Defence (DND) had no role in this matter whatsoever.
CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) and the RCMP were the two agencies responsible for collecting information, acting on, and investigating.
The failures of these agencies resulted largely from the governence they recieve from the federal government. Governence provided from a perspective of wanting to always apease the political left and special interest groups. All policies, decisions, and actions are put through the filter of political correctness which leads to inaction on any matter that may cause anyone to say they are offended in anyway. It is seen in Ottawa as better to take the chance that these airplanes get blown up then to risk offending someone through pre-emptive action.
National Defence (DND) had no role in this matter whatsoever.
CSIS (Canadian Security Intelligence Service) and the RCMP were the two agencies responsible for collecting information, acting on, and investigating.
The failures of these agencies resulted largely from the governence they recieve from the federal government. Governence provided from a perspective of wanting to always apease the political left and special interest groups. All policies, decisions, and actions are put through the filter of political correctness which leads to inaction on any matter that may cause anyone to say they are offended in anyway. It is seen in Ottawa as better to take the chance that these airplanes get blown up then to risk offending someone through pre-emptive action.
The trial was over before it started 
(1) CSIS was a brand new agency at the time of the bombing and one of the rules they had put in place was that eveidence would be held for so long and then destroyed after being looked at by higher-ups. Canada had no experience whatsoever in any such event as what happened and as a result had that policy in place.
(2) There were two separate investigations......one by the RCMP and one by CSIS and the reason for that was jurisdiction of both services. There was no law in place nor any reason for both services to inter-act. The results of both would have gone separately to the Solicitor General.
(3) Numbers 1 & 2 are "moot" because all of these events that transpired could have been prevented long ago. The backgrounds and sympathies of two men who were accused were known to Immigration and the Canadian government lonnnng before they finally entered the country. India had warned them as had their own Embassy in India.......but nobody paid heed. I have yet to hear any media outlet bring this subject up and it's not the first time that immigrants have arrived in Canada with prior knowledge of their backgrounds. The Tamil Tigers were recently declared a terrorist organization in Canada and who does Paul Martin sit down with in Sri Lanka to talk with during his visit about Tasumi Relief?.........the two Tamil Tiger leaders who Immigration Canada refused entry to and for the reason stated. We have the same problem with the IRA and for the same reasonsand the list on the others is endless. Canadian Passports are a total joke also. For $50 USD I can get one made in Hong Kong and only have to wait an hour......and never set foot inside Canada. Just recently they changed them for security reasons after almost 4 decades of being warned by the RCMP and other nations, but nobody would listen in Ottawa. The Americans change their Passport security every MONTH and we do it every 30-40 years. Why is it that so many Canadians and those in Ottawa were surprised that on two occasions the Mossad were caught using Canadian Passports for cover? Hell, the only thing more plentiful internationally than Canadian Passports is toilet paper and just about as easy to make.
So folks, the Canadian governments of Liberals AND Conservatives have been warned for decades and did nothing. Nobody conceived what the disaster would be, but many knew that something very bad would happen sooner or later......and it did. Everyone speaks about the person speaking in the States about wanting to kill 50,000 people. They knew about this guy way before he entered Canada for the first time, so just what in the Hell was he doing here in the FIRST place!
(2) There were two separate investigations......one by the RCMP and one by CSIS and the reason for that was jurisdiction of both services. There was no law in place nor any reason for both services to inter-act. The results of both would have gone separately to the Solicitor General.
(3) Numbers 1 & 2 are "moot" because all of these events that transpired could have been prevented long ago. The backgrounds and sympathies of two men who were accused were known to Immigration and the Canadian government lonnnng before they finally entered the country. India had warned them as had their own Embassy in India.......but nobody paid heed. I have yet to hear any media outlet bring this subject up and it's not the first time that immigrants have arrived in Canada with prior knowledge of their backgrounds. The Tamil Tigers were recently declared a terrorist organization in Canada and who does Paul Martin sit down with in Sri Lanka to talk with during his visit about Tasumi Relief?.........the two Tamil Tiger leaders who Immigration Canada refused entry to and for the reason stated. We have the same problem with the IRA and for the same reasonsand the list on the others is endless. Canadian Passports are a total joke also. For $50 USD I can get one made in Hong Kong and only have to wait an hour......and never set foot inside Canada. Just recently they changed them for security reasons after almost 4 decades of being warned by the RCMP and other nations, but nobody would listen in Ottawa. The Americans change their Passport security every MONTH and we do it every 30-40 years. Why is it that so many Canadians and those in Ottawa were surprised that on two occasions the Mossad were caught using Canadian Passports for cover? Hell, the only thing more plentiful internationally than Canadian Passports is toilet paper and just about as easy to make.
So folks, the Canadian governments of Liberals AND Conservatives have been warned for decades and did nothing. Nobody conceived what the disaster would be, but many knew that something very bad would happen sooner or later......and it did. Everyone speaks about the person speaking in the States about wanting to kill 50,000 people. They knew about this guy way before he entered Canada for the first time, so just what in the Hell was he doing here in the FIRST place!
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE,
incoming take cover,
and the dates for the next trial for the murder of the moderate sikh publisher Hayer is ------ ,assuming all the witnesses' are still alive by the time the trial starts.
I do not blame the judge after all who would keep him alive if he found those guys guilty? it is like a bad bollywood ganster movie set in cyvr
incoming take cover,
and the dates for the next trial for the murder of the moderate sikh publisher Hayer is ------ ,assuming all the witnesses' are still alive by the time the trial starts.
I do not blame the judge after all who would keep him alive if he found those guys guilty? it is like a bad bollywood ganster movie set in cyvr
