Expired IR and pilot procedures.

[Stander]

Could someone please provide insight to the amended IFR rules?
If your IR has expired, does one have to perform the check ride again, or does one have to re-write the Instrument exam again with a check ride?
If your expiry date comes around and you don't have the total 6, 6, and 6, what's procedures must a pilot complete?

[modi13]

If your rating expired less than two years ago, you only have to do the ride. However, you always have to do the ride, but there's no requirement to do any prep for it. If your rating expired more than four years ago, you have to redo both the ride and the written exam. The 6-6-6 requirement is only if you want to act as PIC, so you can go dual to get current again, which is a requirement even if your rating hasn't expired.

[BTD]

Have a look at CAR 421.49

The 6-6-6 requirement is only if you want to act as PIC...

Or SIC

[Strega]

so if you group 3 expired in 2006,, to renew it, all you would have to do is a ride? not the inrat?

My dad hasnt done a ride since 2004, so will he have to do the exam again? if so, I think hes cooked as hes 70.


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[modi13]

Sorry, if your ride was more than four years ago, and your rating expired more than two years ago, you have to re-write the INRAT.

[Justapilot]

Have a look at CAR 421.49

The 6-6-6 requirement is only if you want to act as PIC...

Or SIC

SIC as well?

I can't find that in the regs, could you copy and paste or post a link?

Thanks

[The Old Fogducker]

"Triple Six" must be complied with if you excersize the privileges of the Instrument Rating ..... PIC or SIC has nothing to do with it.

Anything that requires an instrument Rating means it must be a valid rating, either by recent demonstration vi a flight test, or by recency of experience .... no "Triple 6"
no rating.....

OFD

[BTD]

"Triple Six" must be complied with if you excersize the privileges of the Instrument Rating ..... PIC or SIC has nothing to do with it.

Anything that requires an instrument Rating means it must be a valid rating, either by recent demonstration vi a flight test, or by recency of experience .... no "Triple 6"
no rating.....

OFD

+1 to what OFD said. I'll post a link when I have the time to dig it up. Pretty sure it doesnt specify PIC/SIC, only if you are using the IR you must be current.

[Aeros]

"Triple Six" must be complied with if you excersize the privileges of the Instrument Rating ..... PIC or SIC has nothing to do with it.

Anything that requires an instrument Rating means it must be a valid rating, either by recent demonstration vi a flight test, or by recency of experience .... no "Triple 6"
no rating.....

OFD

+1 to what OFD said. I'll post a link when I have the time to dig it up. Pretty sure it doesnt specify PIC/SIC, only if you are using the IR you must be current.

Here's the info from the CARs -- as has been mentioned, it only talks about "exercising the privilleges".

No holder of an instrument rating shall exercise the privileges referred to in Section 401.47 unless the holder has

(a) within the 12 months preceding the flight, successfully completed an instrument rating flight test in an aircraft or in a Level B, C or D simulator of the same group as the aircraft;

(b) within the six months preceding the flight, acquired six hours of instrument time and completed six instrument approaches to the minima specified in the Canada Air Pilot in an aircraft, in actual or simulated instrument meteorological conditions, or in a Level B, C or D simulator of the same category as the aircraft or in a flight training device under the supervision of a person who holds the qualifications referred to in subsection 425.21(9) of the personnel licensing standards;

(c) within the six months preceding the flight, acquired six hours of instrument time and completed six instrument approaches to the minima specified in the Canada Air Pilot in an aircraft, in actual or simulated instrument meteorological conditions, while acting as a flight instructor conducting training in respect of the endorsement of a flight crew licence or permit with an instrument rating; or

(d) successfully completed, for an aircraft, a pilot proficiency check whose validity period has not expired and which included the instrument procedures portion of

(i) Schedule I to Standard 624 - Private Operator Passenger Transportation of the General Operating and Flight Rules Standards, in respect of aircraft operated under Subpart 4 of Part VI, and

(ii) the following schedules to the Commercial Air Services Standards in respect of the corresponding aircraft operated under Subparts 2 to 5 of Part VII:

(A) Schedule I to Standard 722 - Aerial Work in respect of aeroplanes operated under Subpart 2,

(B) Schedule II to Standard 722 - Aerial Work in respect of helicopters operated under Subpart 2,

(C) Schedule I to section 723.88 of Standard 723 - Air Taxi - Aeroplanes in respect of aeroplanes operated under Subpart 3,

(D) the schedule to section 723.88 of Standard 723 - Air Taxi - Helicopters in respect of helicopters operated under Subpart 3,

(E) Schedule I or II to section 724.108 of Standard 724 - Commuter Operations - Aeroplanes in respect of aeroplanes operated under Subpart 4,

(F) the Helicopter Schedule to section 724.108 of Standard 724 - Commuter Operations - Helicopters in respect of helicopters operated under Subpart 4, or

(G) Schedule I, II or III to section 725.106 of Standard 725 - Airline Operations - Aeroplanes in respect of aeroplanes operated under Subpart 5.

(b) and (c) are the parts that specify the 6-6-6.

[PostmasterGeneral]

What if you wrote your INRAT and more than a year passed between that and a flight test? Does the INRAT need to be re-written?

[Aeros]

What if you wrote your INRAT and more than a year passed between that and a flight test? Does the INRAT need to be re-written?

Once you write the INRAT you have two years to complete the ride. If it's been more than a year you are still OK as long as it isn't more than two years.

(1) Subject to subsection (3), tests, skill letters and examinations, including all sections of a sectionalized examination, that are required for the issuance of a permit or licence or for the endorsement of a permit or licence with a rating shall be completed during the 24-month period immediately preceding the date of the application for the permit, licence or rating.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Thanks Aeros! I wrote my INRAT on Nov 23, 2008. So, I have until Nov 23, 2010 to complete my checkride then, correct?

Thanks for posting that.

[shitdisturber]

Thanks Aeros! I wrote my INRAT on Nov 23, 2008. So, I have until Nov 23, 2010 to complete my checkride then, correct?

Thanks for posting that.

Correct; however I'd try to avoid letting it go til the last minute, the last thing you need is to be under a time deadline and then have the weather crap out on you. It tends to add a wee bit of extra stress onto an already stressful situation.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Thanks Aeros! I wrote my INRAT on Nov 23, 2008. So, I have until Nov 23, 2010 to complete my checkride then, correct?

Thanks for posting that.

Correct; however I'd try to avoid letting it go til the last minute, the last thing you need is to be under a time deadline and then have the weather crap out on you. It tends to add a wee bit of extra stress onto an already stressful situation.

I'll have it done before spring, I'm just glad I dont have to redo the INRAT.