Studying and working in Canada

[flying free.LEVC]

Hello, I am a spanish guy and in January I am starting the private pilot license, wich will take me some months.

Afterwards, I would like to follow my studies for becoming a pilot, doing CPL, ME, IR...

Currently it is nearly impossible finding a job as a pilot in Spain with 200 flying hours, so I am planning a different way for getting my goal.

I have thought about travelling to Canada and doing time building after ppl, maybe next summer or next year, and after finding a good school studying there some licences, ME, IR, CPL... since some people have told me that in this case I would receive a permission for a year as a student.

This time could be great to try to find a job as a pilot, I have listened than after getting it, the company could arrenge me the papers and getting the right to work and live in your country.

Is it true????

I am ready to fly anywhere and anytime, all I want is working as a pilot and getting flying hours.

How many hours could I need to get my first job (for instance as a bush pilot, floats...) after flying school?? 200 hours in total?? 300 ??

I am looking forward your advise.

Thanks a lot

[Tango01]

Sorry amigo, but that is very unlikely to occur. There are many many experienced pilots without jobs right now in Canada. Stay in Europe where you can make it, as long as you save enough dinero for a type rating... (psst, it's not a nice thing to do here)

I don't mean to sound like an ass, but I don't want to get your hopes up.

Good luck

[pilotman15]

Are you doing your PPL in Europe or in Canada? If you are looking for work in Canada as a pilot, be prepared to put in a year working the ramp or working on the dock. If you don't want to do that, you could always do the instructor routing. Just keep in mind that the industry here is very different than the European industry (with the exception of the economic slowdown).

[flying free.LEVC]

Thanks for your answers .

I don't want to get your hopes up.

Don´t worry, this is the second recession aviation gets throw since I am interested on it so I am starting to be used.

Are you doing your PPL in Europe or in Canada?

I am doing it in Spain, starting it in few months , I have chequed it and convalidation to canadian license is quite easy and cheap. Afterwards, I would like to follow my studies and time building in Canada.

in a year working the ramp or working on the dock

I am sorry for my missunderstanding, what does "working on the ramp/dock means?? flying or keeping on the ground?

Could I climb from "dock"?? I have listened that there are (or at least there was) MANY work in Turboprop

Warm regards

[Brewguy]

...I am sorry for my missunderstanding, what does "working on the ramp/dock means?? flying or keeping on the ground?...

It means working on the ground, not flying.

There are many CPL pilots in Canada with little or no work experience (called "200 Hr Wonders") who are also looking for their first, entry-level flying job to build hours.

Many of the companies who will hire low-time pilots, will first hire them for a ground job, so they can show their work ethic and dedication to the company. Only then will they move onto a flying position.

[Brewguy]

Oh, I nearly forgot to mention. You may expect to receive some very unfriendly responses to your question.

Many of the people on this forum, are looking to get the same job you want to come to Canada to find. And many of those people believe that jobs in Canada should first go to Canadians. I'm sure many in Europe feel the same way when Canadians & Americans go over there.

Just so you're not surprised when it happens. So much for the reputation of those 'friendly Canadians', eh?

[MrWings]

Apologizing in advance. Now THAT is a typical Canadian.

[flying free.LEVC]

Thanks for your answer Brewguy , very nice.

Many of the people on this forum, are looking to get the same job you want to come to Canada to find. And many of those people believe that jobs in Canada should first go to Canadians

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Well, I understand them, but of course each person have to fight for their dreams and goals, I have awareness that it will be a hard track but I won´t give up.

It won´t be a life job, just a job to get flying hours for 1 or 2 years... and then coming back Europe.

Many of the companies who will hire low-time pilots, will first hire them for a ground job, so they can show their work ethic and dedication to the company. Only then will they move onto a flying position.

...I am sorry for my missunderstanding, what does "working on the ramp/dock means?? flying or keeping on the ground?...

It means working on the ground, not flying.


There are many CPL pilots in Canada with little or no work experience (called "200 Hr Wonders") who are also looking for their first, entry-level flying job to build hours.

Many of the companies who will hire low-time pilots, will first hire them for a ground job, so they can show their work ethic and dedication to the company. Only then will they move onto a flying position.

Alright, I have been reading about it some moments ago. I wouldn´t mind working on the ground for some time if I have the possibility of flying with them later.

If you knew how is Europe in this moments.... People with 2000 flying hours on type (737, a320) AT HOME, WITHOUT WORK. Getting a type rating here means wasting your money.

Beware

[old_man]

Many of the people on this forum, are looking to get the same job you want to come to Canada to find. And many of those people believe that jobs in Canada should first go to Canadians. I'm sure many in Europe feel the same way when Canadians & Americans go over there.

I think it is a little more complicated than that. If he is here on a student visa it might be very hard to get a job in a trade that could be filled by many qualified Canadian citizens or landed immigrants. I would look into the labour laws as to what you need to be legally be able to work here.

Now if he comes here with more than just a student visa than it is a different story.

[pilotman15]

I hope you are aware of the considerable time and money it takes to convert a Canadian CPL back to the European License. Keep that in mind as well.

[MichaelP]

I am ready to fly anywhere and anytime, all I want is working as a pilot and getting flying hours.

There are many many Canadian pilots who want the same, employers love it, it's why the average age of commercial pilots will always be low.
One thing I have been certain of in many accidents in recent years has been the relative youth of the pilots involved.

Unfortunately there are too few mature pilots who will stay in this 'profession' to pass on experience and to be able to look some bosses in the eye.

One of the latest gambits is Indian pilots (Asia) who need to build their time... They are willing to do their instructor ratings and teach for a lot less money than their Canadian competition!

Given my time again I would borrow the big money to have done the UK CPL and to then have worked in a climate where pilots were both respected and paid properly.

If a Spaniard has the same attitude as his Canadian cousins, then perhaps European Pilots will lose the respect and the pay they have now in favour of the poorer conditions and pay many Canadian pilots enjoy now.

[flying free.LEVC]

hope you are aware of the considerable time and money it takes to convert a Canadian CPL back to the European License.

Yes, I am pretty aware, if I am not wrong converting the full pilot license is about 6 000 euros.

Now if he comes here with more than just a student visa than it is a different story.

I am finishing in June my universitary studies so in half year I will become a nurse. Maybe this could help me to get the temporary work permission.

Anyway, thanks a lot

[old_man]

Edited.

[pilotman15]

weird...don't know how that happened as it's nowhere in your post.

Yes, I am pretty aware, if I am not wrong converting the full pilot license is about 6 000 euros.

Wondering where your getting that number from... seems low to me.