CATSA Rant - commuting with liquids

[Amateur Turbines]

If you are on duty and have a cup of coffee in a bag, what is the difference between that and your bag of toiletries? If they can take away the coffee can't they also take all liquids and gels away from you? Or is it just Coffee? Seriously this is just going to create havoc at all airports again just when they were almost sorting things out at the bypasses across the country. Now I'll have to go and "figure out" which bypasses you can bring stuff through again and which ones you can't.

[Flying Low]

I would love to see a collective protest by pilots across Canada (it would never happen but I can dream). We all show up with a drink and refuse to give it up and refuse to submit to more than the randomizer searches once our RAIC is confirmed. We can even give the airports/CATSA a weeks notice that we want this changed or we aren't going to work after that. Grind the system to a halt and things would change very quickly.

I know...I know...I'm living in a dream world!

[WALL E]

Truthfully I would love to see us as a group stand up and finally say enough is enough. Will it happen? I doubt it, but I do know our company is getting involved in this mess and agree it is stupid. Unfortunately this will only get resolved with the use of politics between the higher ups.
IMHO.

[4Stroke]

We all show up with a drink and refuse to give it up and refuse to submit to more than the randomizer searches once our RAIC is confirmed.

ahhhh....if only.

Unfortnately, what would prolly happen is this: CATSA: "You no go through screening? Ok me take you RAIC card. Now you have no job. How you like try to f00k on me now?"

[Flying Low]

And when CATSA pulls ALL of our RAIC's who flys the planes. If only we could act as a group.

I have a dream....

[Finn47]

Interesting times ahead?

During the Winter Games, CATSA will contribute to security efforts by providing additional temporary screening services at airports in British Columbia while continuing to provide first-class security and excellent customer service at all the other Canadian airports it serves

http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=30

[Longtimer]

So commuting crew members in uniform are no longer allowed to carry anything over 100mls. This is just plain stupid I would love for them to come on the road for a week with only little bottles of everything! Why are they trying to piss me off so much!

Why should commuters have any special privileges that those enjoyed by other passengers? Dead heading is different ....... you are on duty and subject to all of the rules and regulations... Commuters are not......
Dead headers can not drink, commuters can, dead headers are normally in uniform, commuters are not. etc etc etc


or am I wrong?????????????????

[WALL E]

On duty or not we are heading to begin work some times gone for a couple weeks and sometimes for week.
So tell me what is the difference if we commute to work and then start flying shortly there after or finish several days and commute home?

[Flying Nutcracker]

The issue here is not commuting alone, but commuting to and from work IN uniform WITH a RAIC and ID card. As an operating crew member IN uniform you have certain "lets" that allows you to bring items necessary to survive on the road, for be it 1 or 5 or 6 days at a time, through security or by-pass. This includes liquides hidden in either a lunchbag or one of your travel bags. Coffee included.

Off duty commuting IN uniform for some of us is a necessety, and imagine checking your travel bag and your lunch bag, only to arrive at your destination 2 hours prior to your check in-time for work, only to find that your luggage has been lost....(and it DOES happen) off you go on a five day road trip wondering if you ever will reunite with your travel essentials...

Commuting is a choice. But in the interest of maintaining some sort of sanity I think there should be a push for some "lets" to facilitate the life of commuters! It's not about priveliges... it's about common sense and being able to rely on a security system that is based on a red pass telling everyone who you are!

The system seems very political and economically driven... the common sense is drowning!

[genetic jack hammer]

On duty or not we are heading to begin work some times gone for a couple weeks and sometimes for week.
So tell me what is the difference if we commute to work and then start flying shortly there after or finish several days and commute home?

Commuting is a choice one makes, to live somewhere other than your assigned base. Deadheading is your company, sending you another base to operate...and, it's POS space travel. IF you get bumped off the flight (this can and does happen), it is the company's responsibility to get you there, not yours. Commuting is on a STBY basis, and we all know how that works, during cnx, w/x delays, irrops, etc...

[RampGurl]

Does anyone know where (or why) the 100 ml quantity came from? Was there a reason for this amount, or was it just an arbitrary decision?


Airline passengers are set to see the 100 ml liquid limit for hand luggage lifted as a result of new technology.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but this was published in the Canada Gazette July 4th 2009:

ssue: In response to an August 2006 foiled terrorist plot
involving liquid explosives disguised as common liquids, the
Government of Canada, in concert with other countries, took
immediate action and limited the amount of liquids, aerosols
and gels (LAGs) passengers could take on an aircraft. This
restriction affected not only domestic flights, but international
operations as well, as air carriers flying from airports in Canada
to international destinations had to have their passengers
screened for LAGs as a condition of entry into the foreign
country. To effect this restriction quickly, the Minister of
Transport exercised his authority under paragraph 6.41(1)(b)
of the Aeronautics Act and issued an interim order to include
LAGs in the existing list of prohibited items, for which the
Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) must
screen. An interim order is in effect for one year unless
regulations replacing it are made. Given the continued threat
of an improvised explosive device being used on board a
passenger aircraft and ongoing international support to maintain
these restrictions, Transport Canada is proposing that the
requirement for CATSA to screen for LAGs, in addition to
other prohibited items, become a permanent regulatory requirement
in the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations
(CASR). In addition to the above, housekeeping amendments
are required to the CASR, the Designated Provisions Regulations
(DPR) and the CATSA Aerodrome Designation Regulations
in order to clarify and simplify these regulations.
Description: The proposed amendments would permanently
place in regulations the requirement for CATSA to screen
passengers and other persons for prohibited items. Other
proposed amendments to the CASR, DPR and CATSA Aerodrome
Designation Regulations are editorial and minor in
nature.

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2009/ ... -14327.pdf

(Page 38)

Once published in the Gazette - it heads to parliment to be passed as a bill.

[bcflyer]

I've commuted to work a few times since this thread started and haven't seen any changes at all. I still bring the same stuff I always have and nobody has said boo about anything. Has anyone actually had a problem or have we been going on for 3 pages based on a "memo"?

[Jaques Strappe]

Does anyone know where (or why) the 100 ml quantity came from? Was there a reason for this amount, or was it just an arbitrary decision?


Airline passengers are set to see the 100 ml liquid limit for hand luggage lifted as a result of new technology.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but this was published in the Canada Gazette July 4th 2009:

ssue: In response to an August 2006 foiled terrorist plot
involving liquid explosives disguised as common liquids, the
Government of Canada, in concert with other countries, took
immediate action and limited the amount of liquids, aerosols
and gels (LAGs) passengers could take on an aircraft. This
restriction affected not only domestic flights, but international
operations as well, as air carriers flying from airports in Canada
to international destinations had to have their passengers
screened for LAGs as a condition of entry into the foreign
country. To effect this restriction quickly, the Minister of
Transport exercised his authority under paragraph 6.41(1)(b)
of the Aeronautics Act and issued an interim order to include
LAGs in the existing list of prohibited items, for which the
Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) must
screen. An interim order is in effect for one year unless
regulations replacing it are made. Given the continued threat
of an improvised explosive device being used on board a
passenger aircraft and ongoing international support to maintain
these restrictions, Transport Canada is proposing that the
requirement for CATSA to screen for LAGs, in addition to
other prohibited items, become a permanent regulatory requirement
in the Canadian Aviation Security Regulations
(CASR). In addition to the above, housekeeping amendments
are required to the CASR, the Designated Provisions Regulations
(DPR) and the CATSA Aerodrome Designation Regulations
in order to clarify and simplify these regulations.
Description: The proposed amendments would permanently
place in regulations the requirement for CATSA to screen
passengers and other persons for prohibited items. Other
proposed amendments to the CASR, DPR and CATSA Aerodrome
Designation Regulations are editorial and minor in
nature.

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2009/ ... -14327.pdf

(Page 38)

Once published in the Gazette - it heads to parliment to be passed as a bill.

Meanwhile at Canada's largest airports, ramp staff, including aircraft maintenance technicians carrying box cutters, knives, screwdrivers, aerosol cans of LPS, and various other tools of the trade, are not subject to anything other than an ID badge check and the occasional "random" inspection.

David Copperfield should be envious of the greatest and most expensive illusion in modern history.

[Pilatusable]

Does anyone have a link to somewhere on TC or CATSA websites that says deadheading crew members in uniform are exempt from this rule? What happens with corporate pilots who are required to wear a non-standard pilot uniform (no bars, etc.)? Anyone with a RAIC should be exempt at all times.

[WALL E]

Does anyone have a link to somewhere on TC or CATSA websites that says deadheading crew members in uniform are exempt from this rule? What happens with corporate pilots who are required to wear a non-standard pilot uniform (no bars, etc.)? Anyone with a RAIC should be exempt at all times.

I agree!

[2R]

Why do we need security ?
I thought everyone was our friends

[North Shore]

So how has all of this changed since Abdullah from Nigeria tried to blow himself up? Still allowed to put your coffee in the Timmie's bag and pretend that it is just a donut?