C-GGGQ wrote:I was just answering a question. I don't feel either is particularly better than the other, just different. I was just voicing a possible reason why DC3 would or would not be favored over say a King Air. My grandfather was a gov't king air captain for the majority of his career, didn't bother him he never went to the airlines. While I believe flying a DC3 would be a great experience, I also have no desire to work for Buffalo. Just playing devils advocate.
Hey there,
No harm intended, just poking some fun is all. My comment regarding getting ahead was not directed at you but, as an "in general" comment for everyone. Some people get too focused on where they are trying to be and not enjoying where they are now. Me included.
Have a good night
DW
no harm no foul. Tried to get on with a skydive outfit outside of Phoenix, fly DC3's, Skyvans and others. However couldn't get my right to work. Currently I'm a month away from finding out if I will be the next inductee to the Canadian Air Force.
barton. ..Joe's house is probably 2100 square feet and he's got a 27 inch tube tv sitting in his living room. Probably eats pretty well though. of course he lives like that by choice
and the cottage by the lake in hay and.. and..
but the man live that way by choice indeed
we can all burn the midnight oil trying to assuage the difficulties of working in the green outfit some get the breaks some do not. life is unfair , and joe will never change ,everybody from bottom to top is at the mercy of his insulting outbursts , but his days of glory are behind him and given his reluctance to embrace any model of modern style of management and operations will put more pressure now than ever and the clock is ticking . the world is rapidly changing around him and his connections in high places will start to look soon for sunnier skies ,only a younger 21th century management team could maybe reverse the trend but that will only happen on TV ,
302sc wrote:barton. ..Joe's house is probably 2100 square feet and he's got a 27 inch tube tv sitting in his living room. Probably eats pretty well though. of course he lives like that by choice
and the cottage by the lake in hay and.. and..
but the man live that way by choice indeed
we can all burn the midnight oil trying to assuage the difficulties of working in the green outfit some get the breaks some do not. life is unfair , and joe will never change ,everybody from bottom to top is at the mercy of his insulting outbursts , but his days of glory are behind him and given his reluctance to embrace any model of modern style of management and operations will put more pressure now than ever and the clock is ticking . the world is rapidly changing around him and his connections in high places will start to look soon for sunnier skies ,only a younger 21th century management team could maybe reverse the trend but that will only happen on TV ,
I did like last night better than the other shows, mind I missed last week but the one before that was like some of the US people reality shows where you follow some people around as they do their daily S,S, and shave and who with normal intelligence actually watches that?
I like the part where the guy goes to Vancouver for a job interview for Africa (Vogaguer??) and he turns it down, read-- my current employer doesn't pay me enough to up front the 10G's you are asking for so I can fly for you.
Entertaining TV program... I've watched all episodes to date on the Internet. To the comment of what can experience on old bird like the C46, and DC3 do for a young guy looking for a career with airlines, I feel qualified to comment.
I'm retired from a major airline (35 years), off international long haul four engine jets. I can honestly say that six years of bush flying prior to going airlines taught me a huge amount...
What one learns flying in the environment this show portrays, is not only hand and feet skill. You also learn a huge amount about decision making, and your ability to make good decisions, and bad, and to dig yourself out of those bad decisions when necessary.
Five years of flying in this environment you will scare you more times than you will in a total airline career, however a direct result of those terrifying moments will be the emergence of a life long skill to trust your own judgement. Feeling confident in placing a line in the sand. A line you will not cross for anyone, for any reason.
The decision making, and decision sticking confidence you will take away from a few years operating in hostile climates like the NWT, will stick with you for the rest of your career... Self confidence, with a healthy respect for calling 'I'm outa here' when situations dictate is an essential skill for any new commercial pilot, and is the hardest skill to learn / teach.
Don't sweat the radial versus turbine issue. The differences are easy to learn... What isn't easy to learn is the experience you take away operating in a hostile place with little outside support. That experience is priceless IMHO...
Nordyne Herder wrote:Entertaining TV program... I've watched all episodes to date on the Internet. To the comment of what can experience on old bird like the C46, and DC3 do for a young guy looking for a career with airlines, I feel qualified to comment.
I'm retired from a major airline (35 years), off international long haul four engine jets. I can honestly say that six years of bush flying prior to going airlines taught me a huge amount...
What one learns flying in the environment this show portrays, is not only hand and feet skill. You also learn a huge amount about decision making, and your ability to make good decisions, and bad, and to dig yourself out of those bad decisions when necessary.
Five years of flying in this environment you will scare you more times than you will in a total airline career, however a direct result of those terrifying moments will be the emergence of a life long skill to trust your own judgement. Feeling confident in placing a line in the sand. A line you will not cross for anyone, for any reason.
The decision making, and decision sticking confidence you will take away from a few years operating in hostile climates like the NWT, will stick with you for the rest of your career... Self confidence, with a healthy respect for calling 'I'm outa here' when situations dictate is an essential skill for any new commercial pilot, and is the hardest skill to learn / teach.
Don't sweat the radial versus turbine issue. The differences are easy to learn... What isn't easy to learn is the experience you take away operating in a hostile place with little outside support. That experience is priceless IMHO...
Now back to being retired.
ND...
very well said and so very true this should be mandatory reading for all fresh young pilots heading to the north .
co-joe wrote:Can anyone tell me WTF 40/40/40 conditions are? They must have used that expression 10 times but it made no sense to me. Mind you I missed the beginning of the show, but considering how many times they recap everything else that's going on you'd think they could explain that one???
I know one of them is that nobody on the flight deck is to have an IQ over 40.
The airline business is about a year away from starting another high cycle, which tend to last for 3 years. This time around you can add the retirement factor, which will be very high, particularly at AC. The pilots at BFL will not have any trouble finding the shirt and tie job, if that's what they want.
It must be getting very hard to find the right people to fill these jobs on these classic work horses, as for the turbine/jet thing, that's a none issue, they either run or they don't. The hiring process is a point systeme, the interview pulls alot of weight, and character/caliber of individual means something, by the time they are sitting in front of us we are more concerned about quality of character, his/hers logbook has already spoken, that's why they are sitting there. That's not to say some fall through the cracks, people we hired that we shouldn't have, people we didn't hire that we probably shoud have. It's not perfect systeme, anyone who has ever tried to get hired with AC knows it is near impossible to figure out what they are looking for, and that's the beauty of working here, everyone has a different career path and it adds diversity to the pilot and problem solving. Trust me! 2% of the pilots around here, cause 100% of the problems and that 2% tend start pissin in the pickle jar right from the beginning. We hired alot of Georgian Airways pilots in the last go around, many with no command time, and they worked out fine, why wouldn't a DC3/DC4/C46 Captain/First Officer. To propagate some wives tale that you need turbine/jet time is just false, those of us who have had to manage both will tell which is easier. Nordyne Herder nailed it.
co-joe wrote:Can anyone tell me WTF 40/40/40 conditions are? They must have used that expression 10 times but it made no sense to me. Mind you I missed the beginning of the show, but considering how many times they recap everything else that's going on you'd think they could explain that one???
I know one of them is that nobody on the flight deck is to have an IQ over 40.
Haha no need to sell yourself so short.
The show made reference to the 40/40/40 conditions that existed that day. It was -40 ambient outside, -40 in the air, and -40 at the destination. I think all their aircraft were pretty much frozen stiff and they decided to ground the fleet for the day.
