Flight Security-threads merged

[ZBBYLW]

This is a bloody joke. Why not require that every one to be hand cuffed to their seats, everyone completely naked so we can see exactly what everyone is "packing".

I heard rules about people having to be in their seats 1 hour before landing without a crew escort to the washroom, not being able to access their own carry on. When do we stop?

This is from AC's website:

Air Canada provides the following update for flights from Canada to the United States.

In response to new government policies and in order to reduce delays caused by the enhanced security measures for flights operating into the United States, effective Sunday, December 27, and until further notice, carry-on baggage will be restricted to one personal item (purse, computer bag, diaper bag, brief case or small backpack). All other items (including larger roller bags, large backpacks, etc) must be checked-in.

"We regret the inconvenience these circumstances have caused our customers," said Duncan Dee, Air Canada's Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. "Our staff are working non-stop to assist customers and ensure that our flights operate as close to schedule as possible. This temporary carry-on policy will assist security officers in screening customers more quickly and thereby minimize delays for passengers to the extent possible."

In order to facilitate these new security measures, Air Canada is waiving excess baggage charges for checked baggage on a temporary basis for U.S.-bound customers travelling from Canada.Air Canada recommends passengers travelling to the U.S. from Canada arrive early at the airport for their flight in order to allow adequate time for additional personal searches.

Under new rules enacted by Transport Canada and the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, passengers travelling from Canada to the United States and their carry-on baggage will be strictly limited and subject to full searches at airport screening points.


From WestJet:

As a result of the increased security measures now in place for all flights to the United States including the limit of one carry-on bag per guest, WestJet will be waiving excess baggage fees for all flights to the United States.

As announced on December 25, the Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) will be conducting a secondary search at the departure gate. Each guest on flights to the United States will be required to submit to a physical pat-down search and carry-on luggage, which will be limited to one bag per guest, will be searched by hand.

These new procedures are scheduled to be in effect until at least December 30, 2009. WestJet will update guests as new information becomes available.

[C-FABH]

Don't get too worked up over it. The Transport Canada press release states "These measures are expected to be in place at least for several days"

Holding my breath,

'ABH.

[The Old Fogducker]

While I feel your pain due to inconvenience, in all sincerity, what do you think should be done?

Just carry on with business as usual and say to the passengers and crews ...."move along folks, nothing to see here?"

Are these terrorist attacks so few and far enough between we should just ignore them and they will eventually tire of the activity and move along to some other endeavor? ....And if a few airplanes go down, so what ... the majority of them got through to their destination that day, and special deals could be worked out if a friend or relative got blown up in mid-flight ... maybe ID 90 privileges for a year or something..

We could run the air transportation system in much the same way as "Bomber Harris' Thousand Plane Raid" concept maybe. They can't have enough brainless idiots willing to blow themselves up, so we will overwhelm their capabilities.

The Old Fogducker

[Dash-Ate]

When will you realise...the terrorists are our own leaders....only THEY can take away our rights.
How much more of this will it take for you to realise? I wonder.

Most of what we hear on the news is BS. All these fear stories.
Our industry is in for a very tough time...our own leaders are destroying it

[The Old Fogducker]

Dash-Ate, I've spent decades in and around the radio & TV business, don't try and tell me how it works, but I'm certainly in a position to tell you your info is ... plain and simply ... screwed up.

OFD

[ahramin]

Fogducker, as you can see from the latest incident, it's not the McDonalds rejects going through your underwear at the airport that stop the terrorists, it's the passengers and cabin crew in the airplane. If it makes sense to have the expense and inconvenience of this pretend security show on the off chance it prevents 1 or 2 terrorist hijackings a year, then it doubly makes sense to register and subsequently confiscate every single gun in the country in order to prevent the hundreds of murders a year.

If some airline could get permission to forgo security, that airline would be my first choice each and every time. People happily travel on trains and buses without showing up 3 hours early for a pat down, I suspect many would do the same with airplanes.

[Invertago]

Could be good times for business charter flights after this. Maybe GM etc will reinstate their flight department.

[The Old Fogducker]

No GM flight dept expansion I'm afraid.... Not as long as the left-wing loonies are in office in the US. Corporate aviation has been vilified by the Greens and the likes of Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and The Wonder Dog himself, "Barking Barrack" Hussein Obama.

OFD

[AuxBatOn]

Dash-Ate, since when flying is a right?

[AEROBAT]

When will you realise...the terrorists are our own leaders....only THEY can take away our rights.
How much more of this will it take for you to realise? I wonder.

Most of what we hear on the news is BS. All these fear stories.
Our industry is in for a very tough time...our own leaders are destroying it

The trouble is they have created an industry that is based in fear. The average taxpayer in Canada willingly gives up freedom for a bogus feeling of security no matter how much it costs. Look at the gong show we will pay for during the Olympics. Look at what they have done to air travel.

[2.5milefinal]

While I feel your pain due to inconvenience, in all sincerity, what do you think should be done?

Just carry on with business as usual and say to the passengers and crews ...."move along folks, nothing to see here?"

IMHO Just carry on with business as usual would be a good start. Do the screening properly in the first place would be another. Secondary searches and pat-downs ... smoke and mirrors.

[Siddley Hawker]

Taken from PPRuNe:

A thorough profiling system based on nationality, countries previously visited and religious belief is the only way to prevent these atrocities.

[sheephunter]

Why do people need carry-on anyway? Check it all in. Actually sell me a cheap ticket that no one has any luggage, no meals and a bit of leg room and I'm there. I can sit in a cub or a cessna until all the fuel is gone without all these needs. I can drive my truck for six hours without having to stop for a piss. Use the saved space for revenue generating cargo. I'll buy a new tooth brush when I land. What's with these people that get on the plane with two full sized suitcases. Why do these people think they are so important? Where are the ticket counter people??? Why are they allowed to continually do this? Man, does this hit a nerve. You know, it doesn't seem that long ago you could fly with your hunting rifle in the seat beside you. I don't remember hearing of any terrorists back then. Oh and then trying to figure out what to do with this guy that has a bomb on the plane... I'll tell you.

[godsrcrazy]

dam rights they have won. Again everyone is chasing their tail we knee jerk reactions. Wouldn't suprise me if home land security didn't set this up so there budget doesn't get cut. What BS. Just like secured cockpit doors, 100 ml or less liquid etc. Like a brief case with a lap top in it couldn't knock some one out.

Face it terrorists have WON. More money poured into chasing ghosts. At least Business travel will bloom as everyone is sick of some $10.00 pet hour person searching them.

Air travel is going to sh-- and the US government is leading the charge

[Jaques Strappe]

While I feel your pain due to inconvenience, in all sincerity, what do you think should be done?

Just carry on with business as usual and say to the passengers and crews ...."move along folks, nothing to see here?"

Are these terrorist attacks so few and far enough between we should just ignore them and they will eventually tire of the activity and move along to some other endeavor? ....And if a few airplanes go down, so what ... the majority of them got through to their destination that day, and special deals could be worked out if a friend or relative got blown up in mid-flight ... maybe ID 90 privileges for a year or something..

We could run the air transportation system in much the same way as "Bomber Harris' Thousand Plane Raid" concept maybe. They can't have enough brainless idiots willing to blow themselves up, so we will overwhelm their capabilities.

The Old Fogducker

You are kidding right? This grand illusion is an insult to everyones intelligence. Flights destined to the U.S from Canadian airports are leaving up to 12 hours late if they haven't been cancelled due to all this redundant secondary patting down nonsense in the name of suspected threats, yet all flights leaving Buffalo, Seattle, or any other American airport are not subject to any of this. How is that secure? Do they need to be reminded that the flights of Sept 11, 2001 all departed from U.S. airports? Do they really think a terrorist won't just jump on a bus to Buffalo with all the other passengers who chartered one?

The millions upon millions of dollars being wasted on this makes the whole thing eliligible for entry into the Guiness book of records as the grandest illusion in history.

Sorry, but until we start profiling and taking things seriously like they do at Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv, this will remain nothing more than a sharade veiled and fuelled by fear.

This latest attack is simply proof of the illusion. Authorities were even warned prior to this clown getting on an airplane.

[flyincanuck]

Taken from PPRuNe:

A thorough profiling system based on nationality, countries previously visited and religious belief is the only way to prevent these atrocities.

Yup.

+ you know...prohibiting explosive materials.

Just sayin...

[Finn47]

Folks, the United States were in fact lightning quick to publish these new security regulations just hours after this incident - which means their reaction must have been planned well in advance. The incident was reported in Finland at 7 pm local time. By 9 am the next morning, the Finnish Broadcasting Corporation had published the entire list of new regulations and it was quoted on the Finnish aviation forum that I read by 9:40 am. No way was this a kneejerk reaction by the U.S. They must have had a list of measures ready at hand - approved by a higher authority, mind you - so a panic reaction it was NOT.

[flyincanuck]

...right. I'm leaning towards the idea that this was all concocted over a few cups of egg nog.

[Tiny Tyke]

+ 1 for the comments of Siddley Hawker and Jaques Strappe!!!

It's funny how we all talk and laugh about it in the cockpit, but it is the only thing that will truly help.

[Siddley Hawker]

I agree 100% with profiling, but does anyone really think that'll come about? Can you imagine the shitstorm the civil rights lawyers will create? It's easier to carry on with the totally useless bullshit currently in force and cavity search your 70-year old granny in her wheelchair, than it will be to find a politician with the balls to impliment racial, national and religious profiling.