Founder of the Weather Channel speaks about climate change.

[Check Pilot]

And just for a bit of further emphasis, this link might see what you see as a consensus:

http://web.archive.org/web/200606211643 ... s32p31.htm

[Check Pilot]

And to further the argument:

http://web.archive.org/web/200606211643 ... s32p31.htm

17,000 scientists now. Have a look at who disagrees with MMGW or AGW or carbon alarmist warming.

Anyone still believe it's going on?

[. ._]

Yeah, I do, because glaciers are melting all over the world at faster rates than ever known before, desertification is happening faster, and the polar ice cap is melting. This makes me believe it is getting warmer.

And also, the people who signed that petition aren't all climatologists. They're medical doctors, psychologists, and lots of non-experts on the subject. Just google a few of their names.

-istp

[Rockie]

Rockie said:


You've been quiet on the keyboard about this lately. I hope you haven't given up and finally seen the light. Your thoughts give me great delight with your mental jousting - knowing I'm right and you are misguided.

I await your response.

No, you're still wrong. And I haven't posted because I'm away hypocritically spewing hydrocarbons into the upper atmosphere.

[JakeYYZ]

Only elitist scum fly on airplanes. I only travel by unicycle.

[The Old Fogducker]

That's a very personal way to demonstrate how balanced your personality is Jake. You sure can't be left-leaning on a uni-cycle.

Rockie ... I hope you are pretty close to retirement and you're going to pull the money out of the company pension program and invest it elsewhere, because once the Greens gain just a tiny bit more unwarranted political influence, airlines are one of the biggest targets for eradication and you're going to unemployed and the company broke ... like so many other airlines before yours.

In the view of the Environmental Idiot Whack-Os, you rank right up there with greedy CEOs of coal and oil companies, you should be protecting your job like a Rottweiler protects a baby carriage.

Oh, but according to great economic minds like Elizabeth May, there will be new opportunities in "Green jobs" like doing sightseeing flights in hang-gliders ... that is until the naturalists come forward and complain because you are disturbing the breeding activities of the Brown Butted Horned Owl, and you are grounded.

Or are you thinking ... oh, I'll gladly give up my posh lifestyle and move to the heart of darkest Africa and do humanitarian work ... or solve the Palestinian State issue ... or stop Iran from getting nukes ... or maybe .....well, you get the idea.

OFD

[Rockie]

Rockie ... I hope you are pretty close to retirement and you're going to pull the money out of the company pension program and invest it elsewhere, because once the Greens gain just a tiny bit more unwarranted political influence, airlines are one of the biggest targets for eradication and you're going to unemployed and the company broke ... like so many other airlines before yours.

I guess that's the difference between us Foggy. You think the world is going to end if the people who actually give a shit gain too much influence, whereas I don't. We have to find a way to accommodate vehicles that not only get us where we want to go, but deliver essential goods and services. We need roads and tracks for those vehicles to drive on. We need electricity. We need water. We need food. We need air to breathe and a climate we can live in.

Since we can't pick up and move to a different planet we have to find a way to provide those things right here. You and many others don't think we do. Good thing you're not in charge.

[The Old Fogducker]

Well, a lot of people would do well on their stock portfolio if they invested in cattle prod manufacturers ... because I'd have them issued to push the Enviro-Nazis into pits and cover them up with garlands of flowers til they smothered. It just sounds like a very humane way to rid ourselves of the problem so we can then go back to dumping various acids into trout streams, leaching cancer-causing chemicals into the aquifer, and killing all plant life downwind of industrial smokestacks ... like the good old days around Sudbury in the late 60's.....

Ah, yes ... the good old days, when a young man knew how to make a buck by hiring some grade 8 drop-out flunky to break apart old car batteries for the lead content to be sold to scrap dealers....without gloves or a mask of course ... just lowers the profit margin after all.

And then there was the asbestos industry ... a wonderful business, now ruined by the those Workplace Safety and Health nut cases.

Its just so darned hard to get ahead these days ... if I were born 400 years ago, my life's goal would be to be in command of a slave ship, working the mid-Atlantic between west Africa and the colonies....now there was the golden era of transportation Rockie ... none of this namby-pamby jet pilot stuff ... that's when men were men, and the ambitious got ahead by being quick with the lash on subordinate crew members. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdgPdxzGhLQ

Oh, and no whistling on ship either, or you'll be in trouble with the Captain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WBwOAK8unQ

OFD

[Icebound]

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because once the Greens gain just a tiny bit more unwarranted political influence, airlines are one of the biggest targets for eradication

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Airlines will not be eradicated by "green" policy nearly as quickly as they will by "security" theatre.



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[BibleMonkey]

Yeah, I do, because glaciers are melting all over the world at faster rates than ever known before, desertification is happening faster, and the polar ice cap is melting. This makes me believe it is getting warmer.

And also, the people who signed that petition aren't all climatologists. They're medical doctors, psychologists, and lots of non-experts on the subject. Just google a few of their names.
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-istp

Shaviv, N. J., ( 2005). "On Climate Response to Changes in the Cosmic Ray flux and Radiative Budget",

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006GeoRL..3317718S
Millennium-Scale Sunspot Number Reconstruction: Evidence for an Unusually Active Sun since the 1940s

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http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2 ... 7142.shtml
Phenomenological solar signature in 400 years of reconstructed Northern Hemisphere temperature record

N. Scafetta

Physics Department, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina, USA

B. J. West

Physics Department, Duke University, Durham, North Carolina, USA

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http://www.springerlink.com/content/x270n09u25144257/
Cosmic ray flux variations, modulated by the solar and earth’s magnetic fields, and climate changes. 1. Time interval from the present to 10–12 ka ago (the Holocene Epoch)
Journal Geomagnetism and Aeronomy

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http://www.zenit.org/article-19481?l=english

Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists:

"..models used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are incoherent and invalid from a scientific point of view. .."
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http://www.his.com/~sepp/Archive/NewSEP ... nnekes.htm
Hendrik Tennekes, Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute: "The blind adherence to the harebrained idea that climate models can generate 'realistic' simulations of climate is the principal reason why I remain a climate skeptic...

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How Do Climate Models Work?
July 13th, 2009 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

Since fears of manmade global warming — and potential legislation or regulations of carbon dioxide emissions — are based mostly upon the output of climate models, it is important for people to understand the basics of what climate models are, how they work, and what their limitations are.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/07/how ... dels-work/

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because glaciers are melting all over the world at faster rates than ever known before...

Glaciers are melting substantially slower than ever known before; we are in ( and probably at the end of ) a brief interglacial .

At the beginning of this interglacial, glaciers were melting at least twice as fast -and up to ten times faster as they are in this century, since half of all the warming that ended the last ice age occured in ten years , accompanied by significant climatic changes across most of the globe. ( Broeker, 1997 ) .
Civilizations arose after an extreme, global ice-age climate jump.
And it was followed, not led, by a CO2 increase.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10136&page=19
Evidence of Abrupt Climate Change
National Academies Press

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/huy ... 2006b.html
Early Pleistocene Glacial Cycles and the Integrated Summer Insolation Forcing

abrupt warming 11,270 yr ago identified from trapped air in Greenland ice
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 1da3583a63

[. ._]

Wow that's a lot of work, BibleMonkey!

I gotta do some reading now.

-istp

[The Old Fogducker]

I just got back from consuming some fossil fuels for the fun of it while I went out to buy some drywall screws. While taking great pride in polluting, I did feel a momentary misplaced twinge of guilt. So, I tuned in the local university radio station, which was playing a re-run of a "climate chaos and climate crisis" broadcast originally aired prior to the Dopenhagen Conference. This program called "Earthbeat Radio" is run on 50 stations worldwide ... Rockie, you might want to tune in, I'm sure they likely have a podcast you can drool over.

Today, I learned something by opening my mind to alternative thinking. I heard a young woman describe how her research as shown the average North American emits 200 times the carbon that an Ethiopian does, and the most efficient way to reduce that unacceptable disparity was to provide family planning information to those 50% of women in North America who are trapped in an unwanted pregnancy. She described her research project which indicated the cost per tonne reduction in carbon by means of population control would only be $7 per tonne as opposed to close to $15 per tonne by reductions gained by technological means imposed on industries.

So now, I'm far better off knowing that if we made it public policy to kill off 50% of babies currently in the womb through abortion, it would be the best, most cost efficient way to deal with climate change.

The host of the show went to great lengths to say he wasn't in favour of killing people to achieve the carbon reduction, only to use "family planning" to terminate unwanted pregnancies ... as if there is a massive difference.

I can tell you, I fear for our next generation, but not due to rising sea levels, or agricultural insufficiency ... it faces a far greater threat from the left-wing loonies who propose killing babies before they are born in the name of "carbon reduction."

Another point raised by the show ... North Americans pollute at a rate 4 times that of an average Chinese person, therefore, we need to drastically decrease our pattern of buying new goods before the old ones have failed to function, that our addiction to new and better things is the root cause of our pollution, and that only aggressive government intervention could solve the problem in a "top-down" manner. The next moment, the host was urging climate change activists to picket there local MP's office to press for more immediate action on carbon reduction.

Here is a person who is an Greenland Radio "journalist" who specializes in the effects of climate change .. have a look and learn how hunters are killing their sled dogs because of lack of places to use dogs, that beaches have disappeared due to sea level rise in the last 20 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1UYLre9KeE

So that seems to be happening on the left ... ahem ... "the activist" side of things.

The Old Fogducker