cheapest plane rentals on the planet?

[mattmtoronto]

just curious as to where one might travel to, to rent a plane for dirt cheap and build some hours. was thinking vietnam or cambodia...maybe florida?

[bmc]

Come to Switzerland and pay $280 an hour for a C172.

[High Flyin]

Come to Switzerland and pay $280 an hour for a C172.

Really! If you find me deal on a ticket I'll be there tomorrow.

[kevinsky18]

Very few countries are going to be cheaper than Canada, I can only think of one. Places like Vietnam, Cambodia etc don't even permit GA aircraft.

The only place cheaper than Canada is the US but even this isn't much if any savings once you factor in the cost of airfare, housing etc. Alot of Europeans go to the US but for them the savings is much more than for us as it cost them easily double what it costs us to fly in Canada so it off sets their housing and airtravel.

Also be careful some of the things they do for timebuilding down there and in other countries doesn't count here in Canada. For example I had a student who was going to go down to Arizona where he could rent a twin for something unbelievable like $150/hr. But there they have a rule that for IFR timebuilding both the VFR check pilot and the pilot flying can log the time as PIC so they put you and another pilot in the same plane and charge you both $150 so they get a total of $300/hour for the plane and both pilots claim the time. The FAA is ok with this but TC is not. So sure you get 100 hours of cheap multi time but none of it counts towards you commercial or ATPL.

Also don't think that becuase you're Canadian your special and don't need a Visa to do training / time building in the US. So factor that into your decision making, paper work like that can be a big expense and headache.

If you want cheap, nothing is cheaper than living at Mom and Dads and just paying the rate at the local flying school.

If this was prompted by the recent announcement that HST will be charged on flight training think again. Despite the US claiming their taxes are cheaper they actually have comparible sales tax rates to our gst/pst/hst. Florida has two taxes just like BC a 6% state tax and an Additional "Discrectionary Tax" that counties can levie and is usually close to the state tax level so basically 12% which is the same as our HST.

Also you'll want to check to see if you can write off flight training / time building that you do in the US on your Canadian income tax. My gut feeling is that Rev Canada might have an issue with that. If they do then that 30% you've just lost.

my 2cents

[mattmtoronto]

thank you kevinsky! just what i needed to hear. i'm guessing buying up a bunch of block time before the hst takes effect would be a good bet.

[MikeZ]

Join a flying club. The flying club I run in NE BC charges an annual fee (500-600), then the members can use the C-172 for $105 wet. Kinda misleading as you deduct any fuel you put in and we always want it returned full. Doing the math, you'd then be flying for about 60-65 an hour plus the cost of fuel. Fly fifty hours a year...including th annual fee thats only $75/hr plus fuel...can't really beat that.

[Bede]

Get to know some locals with a 150 that doesn't fly much. Give them some cash and they'll let you take the plane for a while.

[Kilo-Kilo]

Get to know some locals with a 150 that doesn't fly much. Give them some cash and they'll let you take the plane for a while.

You will have get to know them well enough to have them put you on their insurance. It is a very economical way to go if you make it happen.

[dcabrown]

I agree with the above comment on Cessna 150's.

I know of a very small group of pilots in the GTA who own a C150 and charge $100/hr WET on their 150, however, this is based on TACH time and not hobbs time. Although not an exact conversion, ive read that the difference in charging tach instead of hobbs time can reduce your fuel expense by 10-20%.

Even at the most conservative of efficiencies (10%), your real rate would be $90/hr (hobbs time equivalent), which is Pretty good for the GTA. Most 150's around here go for $135/Hr-Wet (Hobbs time)

[Bede]

Get to know some locals with a 150 that doesn't fly much. Give them some cash and they'll let you take the plane for a while.

You will have get to know them well enough to have them put you on their insurance. It is a very economical way to go if you make it happen.

My dad used to do just that, put other guys on his insurance, but he's an all around nice guy. He sold the plane a while back though. I think he used to want about $40/hr dry.

[bmc]

Come to Switzerland and pay $280 an hour for a C172.

Really! If you find me deal on a ticket I'll be there tomorrow.

Ask me why I'm not current.

[Nark]

135/hr for a 150?!?!?!?!

wow.

112/hr for either 172 (180hp) or PA28, both garmin 430W's.

The really bad club I teach at has a 152 for 68/hour wet.



Charging by tach instead of hobbs is a great way of losing money for the owner...

[dcabrown]

The rate of $135/Hr Wet (Tach time) on a C150 is Toronto Island - which is probably the most expensive airport in Canada for GA. That said, Buttonville isnt much less for a 150.

I'm curious as to why charging by tach time instead of hobbs time would "lose" money for the owner? If the "cost" to run an engine is roughly divided between an overhaul/maintenance cost (which should be the same per engine hour) and a fuel cost...isnt charging by Tach time, the best way to account for the variance in fuel cost per hour of operating an engine? To me it seems silly to charge the same wet rate based on hobbs time because it doesnt account for low fuel usage time (i.e. the long times students spend idiling and checking lists, speaking with the instructor etc, taxi'ing....).

Anyways, those are just my thoughts and I'll defer to those with more experience than I...

[dcabrown]

Nark,

Whereabouts is the club that you teach at with a 152 for $68/Hr (wet)??

Thats the lowest rate I've heard of in years!!

[Nark]

http://www.flyafac.com

I also tow banners, which is based solely off of tach time. However for 3 hour tows the tach will only read 2.7 because of the sustained low RPM setting for the flight. The tach is used for oil changes as we don't have 100hr requirements. However if I were to use the tach as a money making endeavor (relative, I know) I would be out 12-17 minutes over 3 hours of flight.

To extend the life of the engine, tach is good, however to charge for hobb's will add to the maint reserve.

[Shiny Side Up]

Nark,

Whereabouts is the club that you teach at with a 152 for $68/Hr (wet)??

Thats the lowest rate I've heard of in years!!

Funny how you missed out this part as soon as you read the price.

The really bad club I teach at

And people wonder how "bad" flying places stay in business.

[dcabrown]

I'm not a moron, I read the "bad" flying club part. Which is why I used TWO question marks at the end of my question to just double check this wasnt a typo or error on the author's part.

Secondly, I'm not interested in renting from them. It just struck me as very surprising that you could rent for so little and I was curious as to where in Canada you could so so. As it turns out, the location is in the states so comparing rates is of little relevance accross borders.

Good day.

[22R]

just curious as to where one might travel to, to rent a plane for dirt cheap and build some hours. was thinking vietnam or cambodia...maybe florida?

South America?
C- 150 wet around $ 70 US
http://www.aeroclubdeluruguay.edu.uy/

[Finn47]

Scandinavian rates at present are not much better than Switzerland... club prices in Finland: 150 Canadian for a C152, 180 for a C172. 225 and 270 bucks, respectively, at a FTO.

[robbreid]

I believe over the past couple of days, the Venezuelan Govt had devalued the Bolivar by 50 percent,
and Chavez has stated anyone who increases their prices will be arrested.

As there are over 100 corporate jets on the Venezuelan register, never mind all the US jets there,
I can only assume they have several flight schools, who if your paying with Canadian dollars, your
price just got cut in half.

Never mind you'll instantly be flying in summer like weather!!!

Guess you could bring a diamond or two back and recover all your costs!!!

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... ate1-.html

Google; chavez to devalue bolivar

[robbreid]

I assume by your name, your in Toronto.

So, go to your local airports, Burlington, Brampton, Buttonville, Oshawa etc., write down the tail numbers of aircraft
that fit what you are looking for, then look them up on the Canadian Registry.

It lists the current legal owner, some you can do a telephone search, or at worse write them.
You can also go on airliners.net/CYKZ and go thru the registrations spotted at CYKZ, then use the register to find the owner.

The fact they own airplanes, they are aviators, and they'll understand your request.

You may also consider joining a local flying club, for example; The Buttonville Flying Club where you have the opportunity to befriend and socialize with many fellow aviators and aircraft owners who share you interest in aviation.

Just some ideas!!

[airway]

The rate of $135/Hr Wet (Tach time) on a C150 is Toronto Island - which is probably the most expensive airport in Canada for GA. That said, Buttonville isnt much less for a 150.

I'm curious as to why charging by tach time instead of hobbs time would "lose" money for the owner? If the "cost" to run an engine is roughly divided between an overhaul/maintenance cost (which should be the same per engine hour) and a fuel cost...isnt charging by Tach time, the best way to account for the variance in fuel cost per hour of operating an engine? To me it seems silly to charge the same wet rate based on hobbs time because it doesnt account for low fuel usage time (i.e. the long times students spend idiling and checking lists, speaking with the instructor etc, taxi'ing....).

Anyways, those are just my thoughts and I'll defer to those with more experience than I...

Why not just log air time and flight time in compliance with the CAR'S?

"air time" - means, with respect to keeping technical records, the time from the moment an aircraft leaves the surface until it comes into contact with the surface at the next point of landing; (temps dans les airs)

"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight; (temps de vol)

The only way to do this accurately is writing down 4 times each flight. No need to convert to the decimal system. If you taxi and don't take off, no log book entry is required.

Start taxi time
Take Off time
Landing time
Stop taxi time

[MichaelP]

Everything has a value.

People tend to devalue everything here and that is why there are so many poorly maintained aircraft.

You get what you pay for and in Canada many aviation related things have been devalued too much.

I say that Canada is the cheapest place on the planet for aircraft rental.
But do you get value for money?

[Expat]

just curious as to where one might travel to, to rent a plane for dirt cheap and build some hours. was thinking vietnam or cambodia...maybe florida?

Here is my take on this. Cheapest rental is in the US. Most expensive wives are there also. Get a wife in SE Asia, and with all the money you will save, you can own a plane!

[Shiny Side Up]

I'm not a moron, I read the "bad" flying club part. Which is why I used TWO question marks at the end of my question to just double check this wasnt a typo or error on the author's part.

Then you have my appologies, I wasn't insinuating that anyone was a moron merely that low prices get attention. The point still stands though that there is a large market for bargain basement aircraft rental rates. Although you may have not really been excited to read about the low rates to be had, I guarantee there are many out there who are.

Secondly, I'm not interested in renting from them. It just struck me as very surprising that you could rent for so little and I was curious as to where in Canada you could so so. As it turns out, the location is in the states so comparing rates is of little relevance accross borders.

Good day.

Personally the stated rate doesn't suprise me, there are pilots out there more than willing to take a loss on the airplane rate in hopes of selling instructing time and in all take a loss to get hours. Personally there's more than enough demand for airplane rental out there that we don't need to be out there slashing prices to compete.