The Next Gear Up Landing

[Doc]

We have a dead pool. How about a "gear up landing" pool?
Anybody care to venture a guess as to when the next polished "professional" will manage to "forget" the landing gear? Anybody care to guess the company?
It has to be within Canada, or involve a Canadian aircraft.
If the crew couldn't get the gear down, obviously it doesn't count. But IF the crew attempted to lower the gear, not using the approved check lists and manufacture's procedure....THAT counts.
Sucking it up after landing, also counts.
I'm going to go with May 2010. I'm not guessing the company name, but I'm thinking it'll be a repeat performance.
I'd love to be wrong, but recent events seem to support my guess.

[3=47]

My guess is Superior Airways!

[Sam300]

Wasn't there a thread on this subject, looks like it disappeared(imagine that) I'd take June

[Cat Driver]

Why only gear up screw ups Doc?

Why not include hitting trees on missed approaches, running off the end of ten thousand foot runways and all the rest of the pilot / crew error screw ups?

That would make for a better pool because all these screw ups are avoidable.

[KAG]

While I understand the intent of trying make people aware of NOT making preventable mistakes, I have to say DOC your kind of tempting fate.
Having been in a preventable accident that was my fault, I can tell you first hand you never think your going to do something that stupid until you do. I followed the SOP’s, checklists, the pearls of wisdom and still got bit in the ass through a strange combo of fatigue, complacency and mechanical failure.

Be aware of your limitations, body as well as hands and feet. Be mindful of the pitfalls of down time, and always be extra vigilant during the “critical phases of flight” when statistically accidents happen.

The one good thing about mocking those “that have”, maybe people will reduce these preventable accidents out of fear of a topic about them.

As for forgetting the gear, I check at least 3 times on final I have 3 green. I have since I was a student.

[jjj]

$100.00 bucks says it's gonna Doc.

The idea of this thread is tasteless.

[rm_pic]

We have a dead pool. How about a "gear up landing" pool?
Anybody care to venture a guess as to when the next polished "professional" will manage to "forget" the landing gear? Anybody care to guess the company?
It has to be within Canada, or involve a Canadian aircraft.
If the crew couldn't get the gear down, obviously it doesn't count. But IF the crew attempted to lower the gear, not using the approved check lists and manufacture's procedure....THAT counts.
Sucking it up after landing, also counts.
I'm going to go with May 2010. I'm not guessing the company name, but I'm thinking it'll be a repeat performance.
I'd love to be wrong, but recent events seem to support my guess.

Not funny, or necessary. If your intention was to bring to light the potential for accidents to happen, and that crews should be careful not to let complacency slip into their routine, it was completely lost on me.

Your neck must be getting tired from holding your chin so high in the air.

[spinjob]

I'm with rn_pic, and JJJ. Doc you've given out alot of good advice to some of us in the past. I respected you for your "wolves of winter" post. But this shit is tasteless.....not helpful, not professional.

[HORUNNER]

What ever !!!

I will take March and wont pic a company but will narrow it down to MB operator since one else has claimed it yet.

[ditar]

Forgetting the gear is stupid and inexcusable, I fully agree. However, all those that claim that it could never happen to them, are basically making a claim that they cannot err, which, if you take the converse of the old idiom, is to claim that they are not human. The probability of it occurring to some individuals will certainly be less than for others. In fact, it may be so low that it is very unlikely to occur in one's lifetime. However, the probability is never zero for anybody. This is not to be taken as a justification for these sorts of events occurring. On the contrary, it is a justification for implementing measures to reduce their likelihood as much as possible.

[Hey Piiilot]

There are two types of pilots..those that have made mistakes and those that will. I caution you on your holier than thou attitude . Yeager as at may be you on the pointy end of one of these "discussions" one day.

[flyinhigh]

skynorth in ohhhh a couple weeks, that seems to be within there time frame

[Doc]

For those of you calling "tasteless, unprofessional, etc", I totally agree with you.
This was aimed at being just that. Tasteless, and unprofessional.
Bloody awful, actually.
So, we going to hurl darts at old Doc for starting the thread? Or, are we going to act in a professional manner and, make sure this "doesn't happen to me"?
Personally, I don't want it to happen to anybody. That should be obvious. To you all. I have preached nothing but safety on this site. I've rattled more cages here than anyone. I've dumped mercilessly on the poor victims of these totally preventable brain farts. To me, a gear up landing is the epitome of stupid. I want everybody to pull their heads out of their asses and do their jobs. You guys keep on about how this could happen to anybody. Bull. I know many pilots, who, may not come right out and say, "this will never happen to me...." on a public forum, but feel the same way I do on the subject. I check the "kill items" very frequently when I fly. I've never forgotten to remove pants before I take a dump, and I never will. We're talking "forget" here.
Guys/girls who think "this gear thing could happen to me..." scare the crap out of me! I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again, I make mistakes. Leaving the gear up is NOT a mistake!
We talk about being professional. Ever heard of a Greyhound driver leaving his bus in neutral and having it roll down a hill into a shopping mall, etc.? Me either. That would be a rough equivalent?
Those poor sots probably don't even HAVE a check list.
I have a ribald, macabre sense of ha ha. Many don't share it.

[KAG]

I've never forgotten to remove pants before I take a dump, and I never will.

Never say never...

[Strega]

In aviation, there are two kinds of people.,,

Those that land properly with the correct position of the gear,,
and those that do not...

In life,, there are two kinds of people,,
Those that normal,, and those that are MORONS.

People! At no time,, I repeat NO TIME is it "ok" to forget the gear!
I dont care how well you work with others, or how good your "interpersonal skills" are,, or whatever HR BS
If you forget the gear,, you are a MORON! and should not be flying.. Plain and simple..

Sad thing is, it WILL happen again..

forgetting the gear is the same as "forgetting to get gas" or "forgeting not to flare when you land" Catch my drift?
All unacceptable.

[Big Pistons Forever]

I decided a long time ago that simply telling myself I was not going to forget the gear was not enough. The reality of flying especially single pilot flying is that there existed the possibility that the "wrong" series of distractions at just the "right" time could put into the position of landing gear up. I therefore adopted the practice of making a conscious mental "check gear down" at 500 ft AGL on final , or turning final which ever was lower. In the beginning I often forgot, but each time I forgot I gave myself a huge mental kick in the head. eventually it became a reflex. For as long as I can remember (probably over 20 yrs) every time I did the final gear down check there was 2, 3, or,4 (As appropriate to the aircraft type) green lights staring back at me.......untill this summer, when a combination of distractions and changes of plan had me turning final at around 500 AGL and doing the reflexive looking down at the gear lights...... and to my horror realising the gear ws still up. I pride myself on running a proffessional disciplined and comprehensive SOP with all the checklist completed all the time, on every airplane I fly, but that flight unlike all the thousands before it, I somehow missed the gear. That reflexive final gear check which I had beaten in to my brain, saved my ass, but the bottom line is I forgot the gear. I think any pilot no matter how good can forget the gear and therfore I strongly recommend to my students to not trust just remembering to put hte gear down, followed by a checklist verification, but add that third layer of protection that the final check gives. But it will only work if you do it every single time

And Strega....where do I send my 2 Dollars for your treatment ?

[foxmoth]

Ive met pilots who could not get there gear up.

[Strega]

Bff. Send it to Seneca/sioux. To help with teaching people to put the gear down

[Cat Driver]

Does Seneca still do circuits in the Baron with the gear down to save wearing out the gear mechanism?

[Flybaby]

skynorth in ohhhh a couple weeks, that seems to be within there time frame

+1
If I was a betting man that's where I would put my money.

[B-rad]

The idea of this thread is tasteless.

I second that! it just jogs my memory of when that air tractor with floats landed with gear down and flipped. These are the same people you are snubbing with this thread. If your bored, go outside and find something to do. I take offense to this kind of humour with this thread.

[. ._]

Does Seneca still do circuits in the Baron with the gear down to save wearing out the gear mechanism?

Interesting question.

Anyone here care to comment?

[Flying Nutcracker]

Heck!!! Even Sully left the gear in the appropriate configuration for a water landing... how hard can it be?!?!?

For me... 20 years of flying airplanes have taken me on ventures that slowly but surely has melted most of the cheese to a point where the holes in it are hopefully less likely to line up... but there are still a few holes of potential lurking around and hopefully I will prevent them from lineing up by means of strong discipline and good training!

But there is no guarantee!

[xsbank]

Oh you are a bunch of boring old poops. Why do you think the guy with the Air Tractor got fired? He did something stupid! He broke a perfectly good aircraft, raised their insurance rates and denied the company the tool (not the pilot) they bought to earn revenue. Good thing it was fresh water.

"Lemme see, I'm on final for the water....... flaps are down....... yup.......boost pumps are on......yup...... seat belt fastened....... yup...... does this thing have water rudders?....... yup, they're up....... oh yeah, check the fuel....... good....... did I forget anything?....... can't remember what the 'U' in GUMP means....... darn....... lemmee see...... uniform?...... no...... oh well, guess I got it all........ SPLASH!

Has anyone got the 1st week of April? Mine.

[Rowdy]

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