Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

[railroad]

Well... You did take 6 years to do a PPL.

[niss]

Well... You did take 6 years to do a PPL.

Ouch, words can hurt you know.

[Indanao]

Well... You did take 6 years to do a PPL.

don't want to get any further into this, but....Do you own a business, pay more taxes, employ and/or create opportuities in a slow economy for others like yourself? NO? Well, then how would you know what it is like to do all of that, and have nothing left over to chase after your own interests - like learning to fly. Doesn't really matter how long it takes to get a ticket....you will be a better Pilot for it. I had lots of students quit for lack of funds.....( some have their daddy buy them a ticket, are they better Pilots? Ooops, maybe so - AirCanada snaps them up.)

[allblueskies]

It surprises me how people on here who want to crap on Joe/Buffalo will say the rampies are slaves with very low wages. Is it just me or have many Buffalo employees on the show say the pay is quite good? That only seems to be ignored by the people who want to rake the show over the coals. It is a tv show! You have to expect there is going to be a lot of editing and dramatization, that is how tv is, plain and simple. I also don't understand how many people think Joe owes these rampies anything other than a paycheque? It is his planes, his insurance, his livelyhood on the line, if it was my company I would like to think it would be my say who flies my damn planes. For those who have not noticed as well, at some of the remote communities the pilots and maintenance guys have to offload the freight by hand. When you get to these places do you want the pilots who sits there saying "I paid $$ for this license, I don't have to do this kind of work", or do you want the rampie who worked his butt off and has proven he can handle the job? I also have to wonder, the rampies who are making past others don't seem to be the ones chatting up the camera guys all the time. Coincidence? I'm sure for many of us, or at least myself, if I walked around all the time complaining and sarcasticly saying "I love my job, I love my job" the door would have hit my butt on the way out a long time ago. Maybe I am now the one reading too much into this?

[niss]

It surprises me how people on here who want to crap on Joe/Buffalo will say the rampies are slaves with very low wages. Is it just me or have many Buffalo employees on the show say the pay is quite good? That only seems to be ignored by the people who want to rake the show over the coals. It is a tv show! You have to expect there is going to be a lot of editing and dramatization, that is how tv is, plain and simple. I also don't understand how many people think Joe owes these rampies anything other than a paycheque? It is his planes, his insurance, his livelyhood on the line, if it was my company I would like to think it would be my say who flies my damn planes. For those who have not noticed as well, at some of the remote communities the pilots and maintenance guys have to offload the freight by hand. When you get to these places do you want the pilots who sits there saying "I paid $$ for this license, I don't have to do this kind of work", or do you want the rampie who worked his butt off and has proven he can handle the job? I also have to wonder, the rampies who are making past others don't seem to be the ones chatting up the camera guys all the time. Coincidence? I'm sure for many of us, or at least myself, if I walked around all the time complaining and sarcasticly saying "I love my job, I love my job" the door would have hit my butt on the way out a long time ago. Maybe I am now the one reading too much into this?

Except for the miracle of television and how this wondrous technology allows for editing out anything but the juicy pieces.

[C-GGGQ]

Is it just me or have many Buffalo employees on the show say the pay is quite good?

Its below poverty wages, especially up in the knife. So its just you.

[supercub7]

Does anyone else other than me think Mikey is a huge loser? My god - the things he says, and then stands there like he's some kind of wonder god. That guy bugs me!

Ya kind of thought that in the beginning. After watching last weeks episode when the two other rampies jumped ahead of Jeremy, and Mickey was perfectly fine with the company's decision, pretty much confirmed to me that Mikey is a loser which is why he probably works for his dad because he is to retarded to work anywhere else

Yep. I'm in the family business so I must be too retarded to work elsewhere as well.

Ya, that doesn't make any sense. Sorry about that.

[niss]

Ya, that doesn't make any sense. Sorry about that.

Saw your change, don't worry about it.

[supercub7]

I found this on previous forum since everyone is wondering what that rampie pay is.

And it's not the hard work, or getting yelled at that makes people want to quit buffalo. You'll find that at any job. You really have to work there to realize why some people hate anything and everything green with all 206 bones in their body. And as for "ramping is supposed to suck to a degree", I realize that the whole purpose is to test you and to find out what you're really made of, but is a 7 on, 7 on schedule(no, thats not a typo) really worth it for 2000 a month? Sorry, I forgot, you start making more once you become a flight attendant. And you will.

[C-GGGQ]

I was only offered 1500 a month 3 years ago, but that went up to the whopping 2k after 3 months.

[canwhitewolf]

looked like they provided some kind of accomodation for certain staff in one of the documentaries

is that correct?

[C-GGGQ]

wasn't part of the deal that i was offered.

[highlander]

The main problem with any of our comments in this forum about this show, is that we are commenting on what we are watching, which I presume has been edited. The narration I find is some what exagerated to give that "wow" factor.

That being said, if you look at all of the shows so far, I would say that 2 things are readily apparent.

1) If you want to be a pilot at Buffalo you have to start as a rampie and PROVE yourself.

2) All of the Rampie's, it seems, understand this.

This is not that unusual from ANY other profession- aviation included. Many professions will upgrade or promote on a COMBINATION of seniority and work ethic/job performance.

[Kilo-Kilo]

.... I would say that 2 things are readily apparent.

1) If you want to be a pilot at Buffalo you have to start as a rampie and PROVE yourself.

2) All of the Rampie's, it seems, understand this.

This is not that unusual from ANY other profession- aviation included. Many professions will upgrade or promote on a COMBINATION of seniority and work ethic/job performance.

But what about entitlement? I ask again, WHAT ABOUT ENTITLEMENT?

[jimmy north]

Those in hay river only have to pay for their own food and thats about it. You even park your car the whole time your there, and its $2000 up to $2500 after 3 months.

[Human Factor]

The main problem with any of our comments in this forum about this show, is that we are commenting on what we are watching, which I presume has been edited. The narration I find is some what exagerated to give that "wow" factor.

That being said, if you look at all of the shows so far, I would say that 2 things are readily apparent.

1) If you want to be a pilot at Buffalo you have to start as a rampie and PROVE yourself.

2) All of the Rampie's, it seems, understand this.

This is not that unusual from ANY other profession- aviation included. Many professions will upgrade or promote on a COMBINATION of seniority and work ethic/job performance.

This is true. I have many friends who are AME's that spent much of their early apprenticeships stripping paint and sweeping floors. One guy even built a storage building for the helicopter company he worked for. The only tool he bought in his first year of apprenticing was a claw hammer.

[jjj]

As pilots you reserve the right to not apply and submit to the conditions of work at Buffalo.

For those who choose to apply and get a job then it's pretty simple to get what is expected of you.

If Joe made it as easy as some posters on here would prefer then he would be up the creek when the temperature drops and some pussy with a tie on doesn't want to load cargo up hill.



If I was starting over again, I'd go work for Buffalo joe in a heartbeat.

[ehbuddy]

Here is a dynamic thought for an upcoming episode............

2 DC 4's and a C 46 hauling relief supplies down to Haiti to assist in the horrific earthquake they just had. Seeing this may just make the show seem more believable.

[WTB:PPC]

Explain.

[cyxe]

This is not that unusual from ANY other profession- aviation included.

Really.

Name one other (non aviation) professional career where a trained professional is hired as something completely different in order to "pay their dues" and "learn the ropes".

I realize that's how it is. Thats fine. But don't be under the illusion that it happens everywhere. Aviation in that respect is a remarkable exception to the rule (if there is a rule).

[PJ1]

There is a lot of whiners on here coming form the pilot group for the most part, any body that has made it anywhere in aviation has had to eat some shite sandwiches somewhere down the line. I'm tired of reading post from bleeding heart bohoo bohoo pilots. It is what it is nobody is putting a gun to your head, making you do it. great show really enjoying it.

[Bones]

Who else here thinks that . needs his own show?

That guy is hilarious, I smell a spinoff.

[Cat Driver]

How did you find out Mikey is loose?

[culver10]

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[PJ1]

How did you find out Mikey is loose?

I'm ESL cat