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flight time
I was having a discussion with a colleague of mine regarding flight time. He never became airborne on a flight and said he couldn't log the time, even though he had the intent to get airborne. Shouldn't he be able to log it?
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You can log the time. Put it under Ex.4
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how'd you guess?Tango01 wrote:You can log the time. Put it under Ex.4
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I would log the time in the PTR as taxi time, but I would be hesitant to log it as flight time. I can't find it now, but there's a regulation specifying that the aircraft must leave the ground for it to qualify as a flight, and there's a maximum amount of time which can be spent taxiing for every hour of air time. It's to ensure that students, and other pilots, don't just build time by idling in the run-up bay.
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Flight time is defined as the period of time from when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of takeoff until the aircraft comes to a stop at the end of the flight. It's loggable. And I wouldn't call it padding the book at all, presumably they decided to decline the flight for a reason, and that's experience whether they got stick time or not.
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I think I might go to work tomorrow and taxi around for the day. Only 8 hrs though for single pilot.
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CAR 101.01
"air time" - means, with respect to keeping technical records, the time from the moment an aircraft leaves the surface until it comes into contact with the surface at the next point of landing; (temps dans les airs)
"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight; (temps de vol)
I guess you could. I sure wouldn't. Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
"air time" - means, with respect to keeping technical records, the time from the moment an aircraft leaves the surface until it comes into contact with the surface at the next point of landing; (temps dans les airs)
"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight; (temps de vol)
I guess you could. I sure wouldn't. Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
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Is said person really that hung up for a 0.3?
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The student who gets the pleasure of paying for that .3 would care.Approach Ban wrote:Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
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Re: flight time
What flight?"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight;
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Airplane sure did move under it's own power but never ended the "flight". I don't think you could log it but in reality no one cares about .3 and if that 0.3 will be the difference between an ATPL/CPL/PPL I would be impressed.square wrote:Flight time is defined as the period of time from when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of takeoff until the aircraft comes to a stop at the end of the flight. It's loggable. And I wouldn't call it padding the book at all, presumably they decided to decline the flight for a reason, and that's experience whether they got stick time or not.
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it was 0.8, tower was "too busy" and had them holding in the taxi way waiting for T/O. after half an hour of waiting they came back. (student wasn't charged for that)
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Re: flight time
In the Journey Log Airtime = Wheels up to wheels down, Flight time = Everything to get to and from that position.
Flight time goes down into the logbook.
Flight time goes down into the logbook.
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If the time put in the journey log is marked as "Taxi only" and the student wasn't charged, there shouldn't be any record of the student having used the plane. At my school, if the aircraft doesn't take off and the lesson wasn't intended to practice taxiing (if a mechanical issue was found, for example) then there is no record that the student was in the aircraft. If TC double-checks his logbooks with the school's records, they'll find no evidence of those flights.indieadventurer wrote:it was 0.8, tower was "too busy" and had them holding in the taxi way waiting for T/O. after half an hour of waiting they came back. (student wasn't charged for that)
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No Flight, No Timeniss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time?
As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.
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...no kidding,eh!!Phillyfan:Tell your friend he's "a loser" and to "get a life"
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I remember in the early years of getting my PPL when I couldn't imagine not writing .3 down.Lurch wrote:No Flight, No Timeniss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time?
As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.
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If you startup, taxi, runup, taxi to position, then the weather goes for shit so you scrub the flight is this going into the journey & if so is that not fair to go in the personal log/PTR?
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