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flight time

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I was having a discussion with a colleague of mine regarding flight time. He never became airborne on a flight and said he couldn't log the time, even though he had the intent to get airborne. Shouldn't he be able to log it?
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Re: flight time

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You can log the time. Put it under Ex.4 :wink:
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Tango01 wrote:You can log the time. Put it under Ex.4 :wink:
how'd you guess? :lol:
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Tell your friend he's "a loser" and to "get a life"
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I would log the time in the PTR as taxi time, but I would be hesitant to log it as flight time. I can't find it now, but there's a regulation specifying that the aircraft must leave the ground for it to qualify as a flight, and there's a maximum amount of time which can be spent taxiing for every hour of air time. It's to ensure that students, and other pilots, don't just build time by idling in the run-up bay.
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Flight time is defined as the period of time from when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of takeoff until the aircraft comes to a stop at the end of the flight. It's loggable. And I wouldn't call it padding the book at all, presumably they decided to decline the flight for a reason, and that's experience whether they got stick time or not.
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I think I might go to work tomorrow and taxi around for the day. Only 8 hrs though for single pilot. :wink:
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This is a joke right??
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CAR 101.01

"air time" - means, with respect to keeping technical records, the time from the moment an aircraft leaves the surface until it comes into contact with the surface at the next point of landing; (temps dans les airs)

"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight; (temps de vol)

I guess you could. I sure wouldn't. Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
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Is said person really that hung up for a 0.3?

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Approach Ban wrote:Who is going to care about .3 of taxi time?
The student who gets the pleasure of paying for that .3 would care.
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"flight time" - means the time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight;
What flight?
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square wrote:Flight time is defined as the period of time from when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of takeoff until the aircraft comes to a stop at the end of the flight. It's loggable. And I wouldn't call it padding the book at all, presumably they decided to decline the flight for a reason, and that's experience whether they got stick time or not.
Airplane sure did move under it's own power but never ended the "flight". I don't think you could log it but in reality no one cares about .3 and if that 0.3 will be the difference between an ATPL/CPL/PPL I would be impressed.
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it was 0.8, tower was "too busy" and had them holding in the taxi way waiting for T/O. after half an hour of waiting they came back. (student wasn't charged for that)
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In the Journey Log Airtime = Wheels up to wheels down, Flight time = Everything to get to and from that position.

Flight time goes down into the logbook.
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indieadventurer wrote:it was 0.8, tower was "too busy" and had them holding in the taxi way waiting for T/O. after half an hour of waiting they came back. (student wasn't charged for that)
If the time put in the journey log is marked as "Taxi only" and the student wasn't charged, there shouldn't be any record of the student having used the plane. At my school, if the aircraft doesn't take off and the lesson wasn't intended to practice taxiing (if a mechanical issue was found, for example) then there is no record that the student was in the aircraft. If TC double-checks his logbooks with the school's records, they'll find no evidence of those flights.
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niss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
No Flight, No Time :roll:

Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time? :shock:

As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.

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Phillyfan:Tell your friend he's "a loser" and to "get a life"
...no kidding,eh!! :lol:
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Lurch wrote:
niss wrote:Flight time goes down into the logbook.
No Flight, No Time :roll:

Why is this even a question, Does 0.8 matter? Who is this desperate for time? :shock:

As Modi pointed out, if it didn't go into the Journey Log, it doesn't go in yours.

Lurch
I remember in the early years of getting my PPL when I couldn't imagine not writing .3 down.

If you startup, taxi, runup, taxi to position, then the weather goes for shit so you scrub the flight is this going into the journey & if so is that not fair to go in the personal log/PTR?
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