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I'd feel that way if it was my airplane and my company. I want the pleasure of hurting them myself.Cat Driver wrote:You are O.K. with pilots wrecking airplanes due to pilot error as long as no one gets hurt?????Just glad the people are ok, that is really all that matters.
Would you feel that way if it was your airplane and your company?
While nobody wants to see anybody hurt, do you think that NOTHING ELSE matters? How warm and fuzzy...and totally out of touch with reality you are. The minor details, like the bent metal MATTERS.denkauto wrote:Just glad the people are ok, that is really all that matters.
DDI'm not sure I get what you are saying here. What I am saying is if you accept the terms and conditions of a job that offers $9/hr you should expect $9/hr and not feel hard done by about it. No one forced anyone's hand to get behind the controls.
$270/dayStrega wrote:DDI'm not sure I get what you are saying here. What I am saying is if you accept the terms and conditions of a job that offers $9/hr you should expect $9/hr and not feel hard done by about it. No one forced anyone's hand to get behind the controls.
How much do you pay your pilots?
Dust Devil wrote:$270/dayStrega wrote:DDI'm not sure I get what you are saying here. What I am saying is if you accept the terms and conditions of a job that offers $9/hr you should expect $9/hr and not feel hard done by about it. No one forced anyone's hand to get behind the controls.
How much do you pay your pilots?
Everyone is about to get health benefits as well shortly. I believe it will be health dental and life. Don't apply though. We've been fully crewed with an awesome bunch for a couple years now and don't foresee any openings for some time.Invertago wrote:
Dear Mr Dust Devil
Please find my resume attached in .pdf format...
$270 is nice, what equipment is that on?
Nobody ever said it wasn't important nobody got hurt. Your post is "smoke and mirrors".denkauto wrote:DOC, OFD, CAT, yes, the important thing is that everybody is ok. It is metal, no it isn’t right that the gear got left up, but what do you expect! Accident’s happen. I just have to really wonder where this idea comes from that pilots are some superior beings who should be the "cream of the crop". Think long and hard about what this industry is and what it really "costs" for us to do this. I know what you are going to say, we all make the choices we make and chose to work for the wages offered. That is all fine and well but remember that people who are going to work for those wages, spend 14 hours days sitting is shi**y basement apartments, get pushed around and made to feel lucky for the opportunity etc. Maybe just maybe you have to accept that you are not getting the best of the best.
People who ship bags on Navajos, customers who pay $200 for a round trip ticket to L.A while the guys up front get paid 37K and live in Toronto!!!!! Are just going to have to accept that accidents are going to happen. Listen very carefully, THE BEST AMONGST US ARE NOT FLYING AIRPLANES ANYMORE. I know that you three have the perception that you fall into the above category, and maybe you do (I doubt it) but the rest of us mortals will just carry on. CODB in my opinion. We can replace props, we can't replace lives.
denkauto wrote:DOC, OFD, CAT, yes, the important thing is that everybody is ok. It is metal, no it isn’t right that the gear got left up, but what do you expect! Accident’s happen. I just have to really wonder where this idea comes from that pilots are some superior beings who should be the "cream of the crop". Think long and hard about what this industry is and what it really "costs" for us to do this. I know what you are going to say, we all make the choices we make and chose to work for the wages offered. That is all fine and well but remember that people who are going to work for those wages, spend 14 hours days sitting is shi**y basement apartments, get pushed around and made to feel lucky for the opportunity etc. Maybe just maybe you have to accept that you are not getting the best of the best.
People who ship bags on Navajos, customers who pay $200 for a round trip ticket to L.A while the guys up front get paid 37K and live in Toronto!!!!! Are just going to have to accept that accidents are going to happen. Listen very carefully, THE BEST AMONGST US ARE NOT FLYING AIRPLANES ANYMORE. I know that you three have the perception that you fall into the above category, and maybe you do (I doubt it) but the rest of us mortals will just carry on. CODB in my opinion. We can replace props, we can't replace lives.
I raise a glass to that idea! Good one!Dust Devil wrote: Guys like you should get a brand right on your forehead so we can ensure you don't get near one of our aircraft. Attitudes like yours frighten me.
"I strive to be one of the most professional individuals.......go back to pushing sheep through the fence...."denkauto wrote:Nice DD, I have flown 703 now 705 and can say that I strive to be one of the most profesional individuals I can. Get off your Fing high horse and understand that mistakes are going to happen, it is inevitable. Gears have been left up, and they will continue to be left up. It isnt right but it will happen again. Dont like it, go back to pushing sheep through the fence.
That has to be one of the most difficult to understand statements I have seen in a long time.Listen very carefully, THE BEST AMONGST US ARE NOT FLYING AIRPLANES ANYMORE.
Not me I no longer work in aviation, I retired just over four years ago after over thirty thousand accident free hours and I was making a thousand a day when I quit and did not have to sit in a flying computer being led by the hand by ATC and bored to tears.
I know that you three have the perception that you fall into the above category, and maybe you do (I doubt it) but the rest of us mortals will just carry on
In my opinion it is not acceptable to have pilots wreck airplanes as long as they don't hurt someone.
. CODB in my opinion. We can replace props, we can't replace lives.
I never had an accident because I always thought ahead of the airplane and never made the mistake of not making sure everything was checked and double checked.
What is your suggestion. How do we prevent this from happening again? I am being serious here, what are your suggestions.
You said the only thing that matters is no one was hurt. That is a load of crap and people with that attitude should not be flying. It reminds me of that horse shit saying that "any landing you walk away from is a good one".denkauto wrote:Nice DD, I have flown 703 now 705 and can say that I strive to be one of the most profesional individuals I can. Get off your Fing high horse and understand that mistakes are going to happen, it is inevitable. Gears have been left up, and they will continue to be left up. It isnt right but it will happen again. Dont like it, go back to pushing sheep through the fence.
If you wish to have a serious conversation with me denkauto you need to pull your head out of your nether parts and use a more mature approach, I do not appreciate back handed slurs from someone insulting me from the safety of anonymity.
But I suppose you think it is TC's fault anyways...
You are jumping to conclusions, no where did I ever say I was a " real pilot " what I said was the flying I did towards the end of my career was mostly not IFR in computerized airplanes......Understood Cat, so as soon as you retract that statement about being led by the hand of ATC and flying a computer instead of being a "real pilot" like you we can get back on common ground.
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