PERIMETER AUDIT

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:42 pm

How about I just don't care about his history, or yours for that matter! He spews his history all over this forum for every poor ba$tard to read.

grouchy · Post by **grouchy** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:47 am

Then don't read it.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:23 am

The internet has its good and bad parts just like everything else in life.

For me the good part is all the guys that contact me and ask for my thoughts on how to handle some of their own problems and ideas in aviation and even more pleasurable are the times when guys show up here just to share time and experiences in flying.

Without the internet I would never have met these people and that is the good part.

The down side is the odd person with either a feeling of inferiority or just lacking in interpersonal skills sufficient to interact on a professional basis with others.

So Centerstored here is a real deal for you, why don't you get your own following here on Avcanada and then you will have no need to bother me again?

Cat

LH · Post by LH » Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:16 am

One of the great things about aviation is that we can all learn from the experiences, good and bad, from those who have been around longer than us. Hours logged don't impress me anymore as I have over 20,000 myself, so those hours and $1.60 -$1.75 will get you a cup of coffee. WHAT someone has experienced DURING their career I personally want to know about. Some of those stories have helped me stay alive and/or made my career just a little bit easier over time. The Law of Averages has always told me that those who have been around this business the longest have information that ain't going to end up in any book......so I want some of it and it probably won't cost me a dime. It's pilots like Cat et al who I have something to learn from and so if he wants to repeat it over and over, then once I've got the info I need, I don't read it anymore. For him or any other pilot to repeat something over and over just indicates to me how deeply hurt and angry about it that the pilot was. Cat and his ilk have "paid their dues" and I'll "cut them that slack" to bitch as much as they damn well please. I've heard this "bitch" before in coffee rooms and over meals in restaurants and my reply to those saying it is "when some pilot has been around this industry long enough that he probably got more "idling time" than 1/3 of the industry has logged flying time, then maybe they should remember why the good Lord gave Man TWO ears and ONE mouth". It's stories from the Cats of this world that are a good part of the reason I recently got an award from a particular aircraft manufacturer for having logged 18,000hrs in their products without an accident. I evaded a lot of those accidents/incidents because I didn't "go down certain roads" that they had and they were good enough to pass that info onto me over the eons. That's what bothers me most about getting "old" in this industry because there are less and less of those senior to me still around and I'm not done learning yet. I learned much from those junior to me also, but have always had a normal tendency to go looking for those with more experience in total or on type.......a personal failing maybe. If Cat and his kind want to repeat something over and over that I already know, then I can always move on, don't read or listen and no insult intended.

scooterguy · Post by **scooterguy** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:51 pm

Now that we've clarified that CAT is everyone's hero, let's get to the point. I agree with Center...it's one thing to post your experiences, it's another to go on about the same BS in every post. TC is a necessary evil, they keep companies in check. Their methods may not be the best, and they may have a few bad apples, but it's better than nothing. CAT, if you are the professional role model you claim to be, than cut back on the verbal diarrhea!

switchflicker · Post by **switchflicker** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:57 pm

And all this in the Perimeter Audit thread

Un Believeable

centerstored · Post by **centerstored** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:05 pm

Yep, this thread has worn thin.

cpt bitter'ndry · Post by **cpt bitter'ndry** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:24 pm

Too bad Cat's leaving town for a bit. Hey Juicy, do you know FB's # from Skyward? Maybe you could get him all wound up about how he's getting dryholed by TC and then maybe Cat and him could conspire to verbally abuse you until you regained some kind human soul.

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:04 pm

Cat Driver wrote:......The down side is the odd person with either a feeling of inferiority or just lacking in interpersonal skills sufficient to interact on a professional basis with others......

I think just lacking the above skills.........

Cp sweet& juicy ....centerstored......I hope that one day, you really get gang raped by the men in black in Tower C

zaac · Post by **zaac** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:20 pm

Stu:

How much do the instructors make there?

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:48 pm

Not a clue. Never instructed, and I can't find my contract.

zaac · Post by **zaac** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 6:55 pm

HARLEYD67 · Post by **HARLEYD67** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:48 am

Heard a rumour............Perimeter had an engine shut down during the TC Audit, any truth to this? Also, why all the engine shutdowns on the metro's?

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:46 pm

2 bad FCUs.

HARLEYD67 · Post by **HARLEYD67** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:53 am

Thanks for the info STU, but , any truth to the rumour that an engine was shut down during the transport audit?

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:58 am

I believe so.

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:00 pm

Hey Disco Stu,
I read many of your posts and it clearly looks that your on the "Green Team" so with that said, you should have the inside scoop. You said 2 bad FCU's, but HD67 asked "why all the engine shutdowns on the Metro's" sounds like HD67 assumes more that just 2 shut downs. What's the inside info. Looking at T.C.'s web site, it looks like you fly 17 Metro's. If this is correct you guys have 34 Garrett's running and if you fly about 1200 hours a year on each Metro that about 40,000 hours on engines, so with only 2 shutdowns it sounds like somethings must be going right with the"Green Team". But who is right, you or HD67

FLOATER · Post by **FLOATER** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:16 pm

aaaawwwww no.....cats back....no more whining about how tc hurt you.IT HAS WORN THIN !!!!!!!!!.move on.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:10 pm

Gator wrote:Hey Disco Stu,
I read many of your posts and it clearly looks that your on the "Green Team" so with that said, you should have the inside scoop. You said 2 bad FCU's, but HD67 asked "why all the engine shutdowns on the Metro's" sounds like HD67 assumes more that just 2 shut downs. What's the inside info. Looking at T.C.'s web site, it looks like you fly 17 Metro's. If this is correct you guys have 34 Garrett's running and if you fly about 1200 hours a year on each Metro that about 40,000 hours on engines, so with only 2 shutdowns it sounds like somethings must be going right with the"Green Team". But who is right, you or HD67

In the 4 years I have been here there have been 6 inflight shutdowns/engine failures.

1.5 per year isn't bad for the amount of flying we do.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:53 pm

Disco Stu wrote: In the 4 years I have been here there have been 6 inflight shutdowns/engine failures.

1.5 per year isn't bad for the amount of flying we do.

And the two shutdowns in the last month were handled very well, from what I could tell on the ground.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:31 am

Floater wrote :

" aaaawwwww no.....cats back....no more whining about how tc hurt you.IT HAS WORN THIN !!!!!!!!!.move on. "

Cat's answer is as follows :

I am in the Netherlands dealing with paper and maintenance requirements under JAR part 145.

My intrest in your problems with TC in Canada is less than zero.

I do however read Avcanada on a regular basis just to keep in touch with how things are going.

And as a friendly note may I comment that if you think TC is a disfunctional bureaucracy come on over to Europe and have a look at JAR / JAA.

By the way Floater the world does not end at the Sask. borders, and one does actually pick up some knowledge outside of Canada.

Keep the blue side up.

Cat

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:35 am

Disco,
It sounds like HD67 doesn't know the story about your company/operation because those sound like great stats. 6 in 4 years, even if you had only 30 engines at 1200 hours that would be 144,000 hours and only 6 shutdowns. Yikes there is another post on here and some guys talk about 4-6 shut downs in thier career with 10000 to 20000 hrs flying. And I heard Garretts were hard to operate/ maintain, I guess not.

planett · Post by **planett** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:50 pm

I would guess that the average sked metro would be flying more than 1800 hours per year.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:07 pm

Gator,

Don't forget that the Garrett is the only turbine engine we operate, and have had 20+ years of working on them to get things right. We are one of the only turbine shops in the world besides Honeywell that is authorized to do the level of overhaul we do on them.

Our maintenance is second to none and our guys are very experienced on the engine. Our turbine shop is run by a guy who has done nothing but work on Garrett engines for a long time.

Experience counts for a lot in this industry. We are lucky to have lots of it.

T-Wheel · Post by **T-Wheel** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:00 pm

hz2p wrote:Audits are all about paper. As long as you've push the correct mounds of paperwork, you pass the audit with flying colours.

If the paper's not perfect, but the aircraft are, you're in serious trouble.

Pushing the paperwork doesn't get 18 inspectors going all over the A/C to not find anything and pass a audit. The 18 inspectors also looked at the A/C.