Ice Pilots of NWT Series on History Channel this Fall!

[JohnnyHotRocks]

how many of you new top guns in aviation would like to fly one of those old airplanes?

Been there, done that, I'll take a brand new EASy Falcon anyday!

[Cat Driver]

ooooo looky! fly an old airplane!!! ME ME ME...another carrot!! FETCH BOY FETCH!!! lol key word is "old"...this 2010...Id rather not leave my life in the hands of decrepid equipment...

Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes and you are taking your life in your hands every time you fly one.

So tell me karl08 what would you recommend as a safe airplane?

[302sc]

clguy claims airplane was not replaced and the 215 was repaired

forrestdump claims tanker 268 from alberta (air spray )was ferried across to turkey ??????

I would on the face of it think nobody would be able to prepare and ferry a plane quickly enough to offset the lenght of time to repair the bottom of the damaged 215
and if some repairs can be carried out rapidly the two wrenches from buffalo in turkey are the best and they can work miracles

[Indanao]

ooooo looky! fly an old airplane!!! ME ME ME...another carrot!! FETCH BOY FETCH!!! lol key word is "old"...this 2010...Id rather not leave my life in the hands of decrepid equipment...

Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes and you are taking your life in your hands every time you fly one.

So tell me karl08 what would you recommend as a safe airplane?

Sorry, " Cat Driver " but some of your Posts are ? " Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes..." , best airliner ever made - the DC3.

[niss]

ooooo looky! fly an old airplane!!! ME ME ME...another carrot!! FETCH BOY FETCH!!! lol key word is "old"...this 2010...Id rather not leave my life in the hands of decrepid equipment...

Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes and you are taking your life in your hands every time you fly one.

So tell me karl08 what would you recommend as a safe airplane?

Sorry, " Cat Driver " but your Posts are really ignorant. " Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes..." , best airliner ever made - the DC3.

Confucious ask "If someone is speaking sarcastically, and it is on the internet, can anyone tell?"

[reality check]

Unfortunately separating the bullshit from the airplanes isn't possible, nor was there a Golden Age when it was, they are synonymous. So, the point is moot.

There are many great things to do in this world, unfortunately people always seem to be involved, somewhat souring the experience.

not following you?

What's not to follow? Pretty straightforward, no?

[oldyellr]

clguy claims airplane was not replaced and the 215 was repaired

forrestdump claims tanker 268 from alberta (air spray )was ferried across to turkey ??????

I would on the face of it think nobody would be able to prepare and ferry a plane quickly enough to offset the lenght of time to repair the bottom of the damaged 215
and if some repairs can be carried out rapidly the two wrenches from buffalo in turkey are the best and they can work miracles

Well, all we know so far from the show is that Joe said he'd send a replacement. I'm sure at the time he didn't know the details of the damage or where the responsibility lay and that would have been the the right thing to do to keep the customer happy.

I'm enjoying following this thread and learning some of the behind the scenes stuff about the show.

(This is my first posting here. I'm not one of you veteran flyboys; only soloed 35 years ago, but didn't go on to finish getting my license.)

[North Shore]

^ Well, if you are posting here, I would guess that you still have 'the dream', so get back at 'er!

[Cat Driver]

Sorry, " Cat Driver " but your Posts are really ignorant. " Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes..." , best airliner ever made - the DC3.

As far as I can remember no one here has called me ignorant before now Indanao so that makes you special, however in this instance I was being facetious.

Not only is the DC3 a great design but they made it so easy to fly most anyone with a pilots license can fly one.

Now they may not be able to think well enough to fly one for long but they can fly it.

[Doc]

Sorry, " Cat Driver " but your Posts are really ignorant. " Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes..." , best airliner ever made - the DC3.

Indanao...can you actually READ??

[Cat Driver]

Indanao...can you actually READ??

Oh Indanao obviously knows how to read,,but there may be a comprehension problem after he/she finishes reading.

As in another leap of logic he/she took on landing a heavy flying boat on the grass gear up......at a strange airport.

Kinda took that, "advice" as opinion. I'll take the grass.

I am waiting with bated breath and a fast beating heart to hear more from Indanao so I will not be so ignorant about these issues.

[flyinthebug]

Back to the gear up incident... wouldnt there have to have been at least one of the Canadian Pilots onboard to satisfy training (or even insurance) requirements as a qualified training captain? It was clear that none of the Turkish pilots had even seen a 215 before, let alone flown one...hence, wouldnt they require a certified "training captain" to be doing those exercises? i.e touch & go etc. I wouldnt think Joe would be too happy with the idea of 2 untrained CPLs, up bombing around in his 3.5 mill$ aircraft? (side note, I believe it was a 7 mill$ deal including transport to Turkey, training etc, so 6.5 Mill$ for both or 3.25 for each)

You obviously cant just jump in a 215 with no real knowledge of it, like maybe you can in a light twin. Thoughts?

And Indaneo.. if ya wanna see an angry mob, just keep it up with Cat. Give YOUR head a shake. Your showing yourself in a rather foolish light. Cat is alot of things, but NOT ignorant.

Love the show! Keep em coming!

Fly safe all

[Doc]

You obviously cant just jump in a 215 with no real knowledge of it, like maybe you can in a light twin. Thoughts?

Oh I don't know about that "bug". Figure you and I could light one up and go on a wee journey. Might not be real pretty, but I imagine we'd survive?
Cheers

[Dust Devil]

Unfortunately separating the bullshit from the airplanes isn't possible, nor was there a Golden Age when it was, they are synonymous. So, the point is moot.

There are many great things to do in this world, unfortunately people always seem to be involved, somewhat souring the experience.

not following you?

What's not to follow? Pretty straightforward, no?

I just don't get what that has to do with me wanting to fly a dc3. So I guess no it isn't very straight forward

[linecrew]

Did anyone happen to notice the absolutley ridiculous sound edit job they did for the go-around after the runway scrape?

Instead of a simple power up noise they added what to me sounded like a Japanese Zero diving on a target.

I know it's a bit of a nit-pick but what the hell? It's as goofy as the old "Airplane" movie from the 80's where they show the 707 cruising along but the soundtrack was that of a propliner.

[pelmet]

I'm a little behind on the episodes and just watched the Atlantic crossing with the prop overspeed. Correct me if I am wrong, but did anyone notice that they almost stalled the aircraft?

After the overspeed the guy in the right seat says to get the nose up, I would assume to try to reduce airspeed (to reduce rpm I would think) and then a few seconds of video later is saying "whoa...stalling....down" and you can see the buffet of the aircraft with the video shaking.

It is in episode 9 with about 14 minutes left.

The subtitles have him saying "get the nose up a little bit and get the speed up" but I think subtitles might be wrong and he is saying to get the speed off.

http://www.history.ca/video/default.aspx

[reality check]

I just don't get what that has to do with me wanting to fly a dc3. So I guess no it isn't very straight forward

Whew. You're pretty sharp I see. Please go back and read Cat Driver's original post, then look at my response, repeat. If it's still not clear, I'm not sure I can help you along much further.

[allblueskies]

Oh man Niss, you are cracking me up! In answer to others, the 215 isn't replaced but fixed, at the end of the show Joe was talking to the sheet metal guy he uses to see if he would be willing to go to Turkey. May show some of that in the next episode? I think Joe was upset because of the time and effort put into getting the planes there, they were his and dosen't want to see them totalled, regardless of whether they have been sold or not. The training pilot on the oops flight was Rooster.

[flyinthebug]

Oh man Niss, you are cracking me up! In answer to others, the 215 isn't replaced but fixed, at the end of the show Joe was talking to the sheet metal guy he uses to see if he would be willing to go to Turkey. May show some of that in the next episode? I think Joe was upset because of the time and effort put into getting the planes there, they were his and dosen't want to see them totalled, regardless of whether they have been sold or not. The training pilot on the oops flight was Rooster.

Thanks for the clarity allblueskies.
Was Rooster the one that handled the overspeed? Or the one that required being talked through it? Either way, I figured there had to be at least one of the Canucks onboard.

And Doc.. I think we might getter` around the patch without hurting ourselves (or others) too badly

[Prospect]

Back to the gear up incident... wouldnt there have to have been at least one of the Canadian Pilots onboard to satisfy training (or even insurance) requirements as a qualified training captain? It was clear that none of the Turkish pilots had even seen a 215 before, let alone flown one...hence, wouldnt they require a certified "training captain" to be doing those exercises? i.e touch & go etc. I wouldnt think Joe would be too happy with the idea of 2 untrained CPLs, up bombing around in his 3.5 mill$ aircraft? (side note, I believe it was a 7 mill$ deal including transport to Turkey, training etc, so 6.5 Mill$ for both or 3.25 for each)

You obviously cant just jump in a 215 with no real knowledge of it, like maybe you can in a light twin. Thoughts?

It's difficult to say who was flying the airplane. The narrator states that the Turkish pilots are doing touch and go's and mentions that the first Turkish pilot does one and another jumps in and then another. But it doesn't state whether both pilots at the controls are Turkish or only one and the other is the hired gun. If you look at the footage the hired gun is nowhere to be seen but that could just be skillful editing.

In response to the Turkish pilot on the ground communicating with the pilot in the air. That could simply mean that it was easier to talk to the one Turkish pilot not flying than the hired gun who would have take over by that point.

[karl08]

Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes and you are taking your life in your hands every time you fly one.

So tell me karl08 what would you recommend as a safe airplane?


Well, I wasnt born yesterday...but tell you what...I can spot of worn out of piece of junk anyday...never said anythin bout the DC3 bein poorly designed...its all bout how u maintain a piece of equipment...and them things look worn right out...im sure there is a reason why large mining/drilling outfits no longer let there employees fly on the ol piston pounders...track record speaks for itself...im sure Borek didnt know what they were doin when they strapped the turbine on the DC-3?? DUHH....no airplane is completly safe...just sayin these particular peices look worn out...so save ur smart A** comments old man I aint stupid...

[Cat Driver]

im sure there is a reason why large mining/drilling outfits no longer let there employees fly on the ol piston pounders...track record speaks for itself..

The track record of those old piston pounders is actually quite good, I have close to ten thousand hours on big airplanes that are old piston pounders and I never did a flight in one that I did not safely complete.

im sure Borek didnt know what they were doin when they strapped the turbine on the DC-3?? DUHH..

Borek never strapped a turbine on a DC3, but they have bought them.

no airplane is completly safe...just sayin these particular peices look worn out...so save ur smart A** comments old man I aint stupid...

True I am an old man and the fact I'm still around should tell you something.

By the way what credentials do you hold that qualifies you to tell the mechanical condition og airplanes by looking at a TV show that has them in it?

[Forestdump]

302, No need for all the question marks. All 3 Airspray machines were being readied for the ferry trip. Shortly after the gear up incident a Buffalo crew showed up and 268 left yqf for Turkey. The other 2 followed several weeks later.

[karl08]

23 years....Im a farmer...and I learnt early how to maintain a peice of equipment...and when it was ready to park it in the bush...and it dont matter what I say....you'll always be right or find the smallest peice of bullsh*t to get one up on me...typical pilot/avistion industry mentality...typical old man in aviation...here in lies the problem...

[Indanao]

Yeh those DC3's are really poorly designed airplanes and you are taking your life in your hands every time you fly one.

So tell me karl08 what would you recommend as a safe airplane?


Well, I wasnt born yesterday...but tell you what...I can spot of worn out of piece of junk anyday...never said anythin bout the DC3 bein poorly designed...its all bout how u maintain a piece of equipment...and them things look worn right out...im sure there is a reason why large mining/drilling outfits no longer let there employees fly on the ol piston pounders...track record speaks for itself...im sure Borek didnt know what they were doin when they strapped the turbine on the DC-3?? DUHH....no airplane is completly safe...just sayin these particular peices look worn out...so save ur smart A** comments old man I aint stupid...

Turbo DC3, that seems to solve all the problems. Yes, the radials are worn weak spots, but the airframe,wing, and design were a real revolution in air travel. Now, like the fellow says, we need to strap turbines on to increase the reliability.