DC3.

[302sc]

heavy axles.

make sense..

I now remember laurentian air service maintenance chief mentioning heavier axles during the time I flew PAG

no need to blow up BZN I can see the diff.
thanks for the clarification.

I was relating my first engine failure(actually double engine failure)over LG4 as freshly appointed captain and found the thread removed I hope it was not my posting hum..

[Cat Driver]

The R1830-94's were rated at 1350 H.P. at 53 inches of M.P. and 2800 R.P.M.

They made a real difference in both the DC3 and the PBY.

Last DC3 I flew with -94's in it was owned by N.T.W.A. and was basically Bob Engles personal toy.

Were have the years gone??

[crankedup]

I was going to ask about Harrison Airways in YVR in the late 60's and mention some names of some great pilots and engineers, but no names ??

My first job after high school was as a ramp dog for Harrison Airways. I graduated one day and the next morning I was backing the fuel truck under the wings of the Convair. What an incredible experience!!!!

[flyinthebug]

Nice shot istp!! Sooooo i`ll see your DC-9 and raise you a DC-10! Where do we go from here?? lol

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[Moose47]

crankedup
Quote:
I was going to ask about Harrison Airways in YVR in the late 60's and mention some names of some great pilots and engineers, but no names ?? My first job after high school was as a ramp dog for Harrison Airways. I graduated one day and the next morning I was backing the fuel truck under the wings of the Convair. What an incredible experience!!!! >>>

Whatever happened to Harrison's Convair 440 CF-HAF? Did you service the DC-3's as well - CF-CPX, CF-CRX and CF-CRZ?

Cheers...Chris

[302sc]

Were have the years gone??

I guess all of 60 + year old pilots with lots round engines time ask themselves the same philosophical question. I say it is a special club nevertheless ,and as such we should as much as possible get to know one another I personally plan to do just that ,going west and see catdriver this spring when the weather permit a nice bike ride to kelowna . some refreshment and old time souvenirs good for the soul.
are you reading cat driver !!

[NormS]

My first job after high school was as a ramp dog for Harrison Airways. I graduated one day and the next morning I was backing the fuel truck under the wings of the Convair. What an incredible experience!!!!


I drove that fuel truck too, probably at the same time you did.... memory not the best, but I think it was 1969. Some really good people then, sure wish I had listened more and talked less. I took lots of pictures, but have not been able to find them. I'll PM you some names.

[Cat Driver]

Are you reading cat driver !!

[longjon]

Did anyone mention Artic Air? They ran 2 3's out of Ft St John or Ft Nelson in the 70's.

I've got a pix of the 2 together in YXY I think it was.

I think the author who writes from the Lakeview resturant worked for them.

[linecrew]

Whatever happened to Harrison's Convair 440 CF-HAF?

C/N.432 CV-440-98 OH-VKM CF-HAF N27KA N27KE N356SA [W/O]

Crashed on a freight flight in the Dominican Republic in 1995:

NTSB Identification: MIA95RA162
Nonscheduled 14 CFR operation of SALAIR INC.
Accident occurred Tuesday, June 27, 1995 in LA RAMONA, Dominican Republic
Aircraft: Convair CV-440, registration: N356SA
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
On June 27, 1995, about 0950 Atlantic standard time, N356SA, a Convair CV-440, operated by Salair Airlines of Spokane, Washington, crashed in the vicinity of La Romana, Dominican Republic, while on an 14 CFR 121 international, nonscheduled cargo flight. The weather conditions near the accident scene are unknown and an IFR flight plan had been filed for the flight. The airplane was destroyed and the two pilots were fatally injured. The flight had originated from Los Americas Airport, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, about 0822.

The last paint scheme it wore:



Click here for a few more shots of the same airframe including when it was being built

[Liquid Charlie]

Back around '73 0r '74 I flew that airplane and I'm not sure exactly the reason but I think it was the acceptance flight off the Itran when Harrison Air first got it - I had gone back to OCA from Great Lakes(receivership and laid off) - Barney was spinning a deal with Harrison for the Husky conversions (which never happened) and I was loaned to Harrison for a week -- They offered me a job but I didn't take it -- if memory serves me right I was making a hell of a lot more money spanking an old 3 for Barney than what Harrison was offering --

I think they had plans to operate it to Dease Lake -- how long did they operate the 440 -- and did they have any success with it --

[NWONT]

If I remember correctly the Hudsons Bay Company had a DC-3 with R2000's on it. I saw it in a hanger in Winnipeg in 1972. It was a real cream puff and I think it had main wheel doors. I also think it might have been sold to Ilford-Riverton Airways and turned into a freighter.

[Moose47]

>>>longjon - Did anyone mention Artic Air? They ran 2 3's out of Ft St John or Ft Nelson in the 70's. I've got a pix of the 2 together in YXY I think it was. I think the author who writes from the Lakeview resturant worked for them.<<<

Arctic Air was based in Fort Simpson, N.W.T. and operated DC-3's on charter work from 1971 to 1977 on charter work. CF- DXU, CF-HBX and CF-PIK

The guy you are thinking of is Robert S. Grant. He's a close buddy of mine and lives here in North Bay. I'll be seeing him this afternoon and will ask him if he flew with Arctic Air.

Cheers...Chris

[Moose47]

<<<NWONT - If I remember correctly the Hudsons Bay Company had a DC-3 with R2000's on it. I saw it in a hanger in Winnipeg in 1972. It was a real cream puff and I think it had main wheel doors. I also think it might have been sold to Ilford-Riverton Airways and turned into a freighter.>>>

G'day NWONT

Hudson Bay Air Transport Limited operated CF-ETE and CF-IOC from Flin Flon, Manitoba between 1963 and 1985. It was CF-ETE that went to Ilford-Riverton Airways Ltd. in Winnipeg.
Ilford-Riverton Airways Ltd. was re-named Notrhland Air in 1986.

Cheers...Chris

[Brewguy]

Sooooo i`ll see your DC-9 and raise you a DC-10! Where do we go from here??

I was thinking of PhotoShoping a 5 and a 6 together into a Frankenstein DC-11

[longjon]

Yes Robert S Grant, pretty sure he mentioned he flew for Artic Air in one of his stories.

Fort Simpsom was it? I was pretty sute it had a FT in the name.

One of the machines was damaged in 1972 and had a wing change at Atlantic Aviation in YVR. Would Robert S Grant know about this incident? thanks Moose 47

[roscoe]

If I remember correctly the Hudsons Bay Company had a DC-3 with R2000's on it. I saw it in a hanger in Winnipeg in 1972. It was a real cream puff and I think it had main wheel doors. I also think it might have been sold to Ilford-Riverton Airways and turned into a freighter.

Right you are! ETE was a cream puff. Purchased from the T. Eaton CO summer 1963, and had ski kit and cabin mods done at Feilds in YYC. It had less than 6000 hrs when I signed on as flight mechanic Dec 1963. It was a beauty inside and out, and I did 5 seasons on her, into just about every spot that the HBC had a post in the Arctic, and many others in the Line Districts. She performed wonderfully on wheels or skis, and if all six tanks were topped off, could take us from Hall Beach to YWG with lots left. She ended up in the jungle in Central America after a chequered career after AirMan/Ilford sold her.
She took me out and brought me home, you can't ask for any more than that.

[flyinthebug]

Sooooo i`ll see your DC-9 and raise you a DC-10! Where do we go from here??

I was thinking of PhotoShoping a 5 and a 6 together into a Frankenstein DC-11

Now theres a bird we`d all wanna see

[Shiny Side Up]

Sooooo i`ll see your DC-9 and raise you a DC-10! Where do we go from here??

I was thinking of PhotoShoping a 5 and a 6 together into a Frankenstein DC-11

Now theres a bird we`d all wanna see

Wouldn't be the first Douglas Frankenstein Aircraft... and even without photoshop.

[c-fhbc]

Re: post above moose 47: CF-ETE was operated by The Hudson's Bay Company, no connection to Hudson Bay Transport, Flin Flon and Lynn Lake. That was the mining company. IOL was ex Imperial Oil and Hud. Bay Transport fitted it with a bunch of magnatometer survey stuff, big ring on the nose and heavy wire from the wing tips to the tail. Not very good in icing. 1500 hours on ETE for me

[Brewguy]

Wouldn't be the first Douglas Frankenstein Aircraft... and even without photoshop.

What an awesome story!

[Moose47]

>>>c-fhbc - Re: post above moose 47: CF-ETE was operated by The Hudson's Bay Company, no connection to Hudson Bay Transport, Flin Flon and Lynn Lake. That was the mining company. IOL was ex Imperial Oil and Hud. Bay Transport fitted it with a bunch of magnatometer survey stuff, big ring on the nose and heavy wire from the wing tips to the tail. Not very good in icing. 1500 hours on ETE for me >>>

You are right. Sorry for the mix up. I was working on two Hudson Bay stories and cut and pasted them both together. Will you ever forgive me )-:

Canadair did the V.I.P. mods for the T. Eaton Co. The T. Eaton Co. had a pair of R-2000's fitted to CF-ETE. Hudson's Bay Co. bought the aircraft in 1963.

It met an untimely demise while being used by the C.I.A. to run guns to the Contras in Nicaragua. The Dakota was blown out of the sky by the Sandanistas in Nicaragua.

Did you want a bit of its wartime history with the Royal Air Force?

Cheers...Chris

[Doc]

was the only DC-3 I've ever flown that had 26,900 lb. MTOW for passengers.
I never heard nor flew a pax dc-3 with the freight MTOW.
how did it happen ? should be interesting to know the details..

26,200 lbs with pax
26,900 lbs with freight.
Never had an explanation for the difference.
Anybody?

[Moose47]

G'day

Heavy duty landing gear?

Cheers...Chris

[roscoe]

Cf-ETE at work.