Mike Babcock
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Mike Babcock
Mike Babcock should be shot. Not playing the best players, Crosby and Iginla, more in that game, was not right, you sob.
Re: Mike Babcock
I don't think the issue is with Crosby or Iginla - as all of team Canada's players are of top calibur ( minus, joe thorton who never shows up in big games ).
Albeit, my issue is with Babcok starting Brodeur, and not Luongo between the pipes. Shit, the games are in Lou's backyard, and chances are pretty good to say he'd step up his game to the highest level.
The major issue with Babcock and the entire team Canada staff - is that they underestimated the Yanks, and were focusing too much on the Reds rather than a team that was the true test and threat for anyone in the this tournament - yes the damn Miracle on ice, the stars and stripes. Definitely no miracle, but, a generation of players that play at top pace.
They sent Canada to the shitt house in the Juniors, and now have humbled the entire country - AGAIN. Clearly Babcock pays no attention to the other teams desire to trump Canada, a desire witch creates a unity that Canada itself has yet to display.
So, in summary - shoot Babcock. Put in Luongo, - send Thorton, Pronger, and Neddy to the stands, then, and only then will Canada have a chance for a medal.
Now, after my long discourse in criticizing our Canada team, i will sit back, kick back a beer to add on to my size 40 waist unathletic frame. Living the american dream.
Albeit, my issue is with Babcok starting Brodeur, and not Luongo between the pipes. Shit, the games are in Lou's backyard, and chances are pretty good to say he'd step up his game to the highest level.
The major issue with Babcock and the entire team Canada staff - is that they underestimated the Yanks, and were focusing too much on the Reds rather than a team that was the true test and threat for anyone in the this tournament - yes the damn Miracle on ice, the stars and stripes. Definitely no miracle, but, a generation of players that play at top pace.
They sent Canada to the shitt house in the Juniors, and now have humbled the entire country - AGAIN. Clearly Babcock pays no attention to the other teams desire to trump Canada, a desire witch creates a unity that Canada itself has yet to display.
So, in summary - shoot Babcock. Put in Luongo, - send Thorton, Pronger, and Neddy to the stands, then, and only then will Canada have a chance for a medal.
Now, after my long discourse in criticizing our Canada team, i will sit back, kick back a beer to add on to my size 40 waist unathletic frame. Living the american dream.
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Babcock needs to stop sucking up to the US
imo, we could have embarrassed the US team if we played our top guys, but Noooo , the US are never allowed to lose big. I am angry that some politics is costing Canada these championships. The Juniors was another bs mistake.
imo, we could have embarrassed the US team if we played our top guys, but Noooo , the US are never allowed to lose big. I am angry that some politics is costing Canada these championships. The Juniors was another bs mistake.
Re: Mike Babcock
You right Sheila, because the last thing Mike Babcock wants is an automatic seed in the semi's en route to a gold.
Canada's hockey team isn't that great. They barely beat the Swiss for effing sake.
GO U-S-A!!!!!!!!
Canada's hockey team isn't that great. They barely beat the Swiss for effing sake.
GO U-S-A!!!!!!!!
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The cowbell app is off my iphone in my one man protest is now silent.
You can interpret that however you would like.
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Re: Mike Babcock
Nark, I'm not sure if you have noticed but this is AVCANADA not AVUSA. Have some respect. It's not over...Keep your head up.
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tons-o-fun wrote:Nark, I'm not sure if you have noticed but this is AVCANADA not AVUSA. Have some respect. It's not over...Keep your head up.
Perhaps you should read the disclaimer of this forum.
Now that we've settled that.
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Happy now?
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"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
"FLY THE AIRPLANE"!
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hazatude wrote:"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"
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Re: Mike Babcock
Okay, okay, I see we have a few people making statements about hockey who have no real knowledge of the sport in the first place.
The Swiss game... Canada played shitty and the Hiller played amazing. It really is that simple. Last night, the Canadians walked all over the Americans all game long. It looked like Canada was on the power play during the whole regulation. Anyone who says otherwise didn't watch the game or is just being a pain in the ass. Brodeur played terrible and Miller played great. The U.S. were vastly outshot and Canada didn't capitalize on the probably 20 legitimate scoring chances they had... sometimes they were unlucky... we missed two wide open nets that an 8 year old could have put in and Miller played really well.
What happens next is obviously a mystery... it's hockey for christ sake. Probably the most unpredictable of sports where the underdog always, always has a chance. But if Luongo comes out and plays well or they stick with Marty and he plays well, Canada has the best chance of winning this thing. That doesn't mean they will win, but they ARE they best team in the tournament.
Anyway, GO RUSSIA!!!
The Swiss game... Canada played shitty and the Hiller played amazing. It really is that simple. Last night, the Canadians walked all over the Americans all game long. It looked like Canada was on the power play during the whole regulation. Anyone who says otherwise didn't watch the game or is just being a pain in the ass. Brodeur played terrible and Miller played great. The U.S. were vastly outshot and Canada didn't capitalize on the probably 20 legitimate scoring chances they had... sometimes they were unlucky... we missed two wide open nets that an 8 year old could have put in and Miller played really well.
What happens next is obviously a mystery... it's hockey for christ sake. Probably the most unpredictable of sports where the underdog always, always has a chance. But if Luongo comes out and plays well or they stick with Marty and he plays well, Canada has the best chance of winning this thing. That doesn't mean they will win, but they ARE they best team in the tournament.
Anyway, GO RUSSIA!!!
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JAC
I didn't watch the US game, but tried my best to listen to it on the highway.
I did however watch the Swiss game. Canada, if such a power house should have stomped them. Hiller let out huge rebounds, but often the wingers were out of place, or didn't have their stick down.
The Russia-Slovakia game was much much better. That night.
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I didn't watch the US game, but tried my best to listen to it on the highway.
I did however watch the Swiss game. Canada, if such a power house should have stomped them. Hiller let out huge rebounds, but often the wingers were out of place, or didn't have their stick down.
The Russia-Slovakia game was much much better. That night.
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Re: Mike Babcock
Canada last night was not the same team that played Switzerland. They played far and away better than the US team almost the entire game...BUT...Miller was outstanding...and MB was terrible. Made all the difference.
In my humble and really uninformed opinion Canada needs to do two things:
1. Ensure Brodeur knows he's a goaltender and not a stickhandler/skater...or bench him for the rest of the tournament.
2. Put the "C" on Crosby's shirt where it belongs and let him do what he does best. Because so far the team has been leaderless.
In my humble and really uninformed opinion Canada needs to do two things:
1. Ensure Brodeur knows he's a goaltender and not a stickhandler/skater...or bench him for the rest of the tournament.
2. Put the "C" on Crosby's shirt where it belongs and let him do what he does best. Because so far the team has been leaderless.
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Well said Rockie...
I especially like that you didn't just bash Brodeur. The funny thing is that he is an outstanding puck-handler/shooter/skater and that's the way he plays his game... with the New Jersey Devils. I think his style of play is clashing with the defenseman who don't normally play with him. It's just as easy to say the defenseman made a poor play as it is to say Brodeur let in a bad goal. I really don't know what to do with him now though. Whoever plays in WILL beat Germany and will continue to play the following game and probably the rest of the tournament.
Nark,
You're right, Canada should have stomped the Swiss, but they played terrible. Last night was different and it turned into a game of goaltending. The shots were 45-23 for Canada and honestly, the time on attack for Canada was much, much higher. If they play like that the rest of the tournament, they have a shot at winning as long as they sort their goaltending out.
Canada, in my humble opinion, clearly has the best team... on paper. Therefore, are obviously the favourite to win the tourney, but there are a few other clubs out there who are damn good too, so really, it's anyone's game. But I think Russia, the Czechs, Sweden and Finland are all better than the US... so if Canada can't beat them, they're in trouble.
Anyway, here's to watching some good hockey in the near future and cheers to the winner... but I'll be glad when it's all over.
I especially like that you didn't just bash Brodeur. The funny thing is that he is an outstanding puck-handler/shooter/skater and that's the way he plays his game... with the New Jersey Devils. I think his style of play is clashing with the defenseman who don't normally play with him. It's just as easy to say the defenseman made a poor play as it is to say Brodeur let in a bad goal. I really don't know what to do with him now though. Whoever plays in WILL beat Germany and will continue to play the following game and probably the rest of the tournament.
Nark,
You're right, Canada should have stomped the Swiss, but they played terrible. Last night was different and it turned into a game of goaltending. The shots were 45-23 for Canada and honestly, the time on attack for Canada was much, much higher. If they play like that the rest of the tournament, they have a shot at winning as long as they sort their goaltending out.
Canada, in my humble opinion, clearly has the best team... on paper. Therefore, are obviously the favourite to win the tourney, but there are a few other clubs out there who are damn good too, so really, it's anyone's game. But I think Russia, the Czechs, Sweden and Finland are all better than the US... so if Canada can't beat them, they're in trouble.
Anyway, here's to watching some good hockey in the near future and cheers to the winner... but I'll be glad when it's all over.
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On paper, Canada has far and away the best team in this tournament. We have the most size, most depth and most individual skill. The problem is the game is played on ice, not on paper. Our biggest problem has been the play in our own zone. Our defensive play has been scrambled and disorganized and Brodeur has not been good, especially last night where he looked very shaky with only brief glimpses of his usual self. There has also been occasional troubles with forwards trying to make impossible passes into traffic creating turnovers. When your not playing well in your own end, turnovers are suicide.
I agree with JAC about Brodeur clashing with the defencemen and would add that while Brodeur is/was the best puck-handling goalie in the league, a couple of years of playing under the stupid trapezoid rule seem to have made those skills awfully rusty.
I don't think Mike Babcock is really to blame. Sure, if he had pulled Marty after the first two games, we might have had a different outcome, but nonetheless, you still have to put pucks in the net, and despite all the shots and scoring chances, Miller was, for once in his worthless career, playing to his over-rated level.
Canada has actually played quite well in this tournament, for the most part. The game against the Swiss was their worst, but they still controlled the majority of play and managed 45 shots on net, let's not forget. In the last two games the shots have been roughly 90-45 in favour of Canada, a 2-1 margin, but the goals have been 5-7. That should speak volumes about how the play has been and where the problems lie.
I think Fleury should get a shot in net. He's having another great season, and has a habit of making huge saves when the game is on the line. Oh yeah, and he's the defending Stanley Cup champ. I like Luongo, he's a great goalie, but you think Thornton doesn't show up in big games...well, the same could be said for Roberto to this point in his career. One thing's for sure, he'd be better than Brodeur was last night.
I agree with JAC about Brodeur clashing with the defencemen and would add that while Brodeur is/was the best puck-handling goalie in the league, a couple of years of playing under the stupid trapezoid rule seem to have made those skills awfully rusty.
I don't think Mike Babcock is really to blame. Sure, if he had pulled Marty after the first two games, we might have had a different outcome, but nonetheless, you still have to put pucks in the net, and despite all the shots and scoring chances, Miller was, for once in his worthless career, playing to his over-rated level.
Canada has actually played quite well in this tournament, for the most part. The game against the Swiss was their worst, but they still controlled the majority of play and managed 45 shots on net, let's not forget. In the last two games the shots have been roughly 90-45 in favour of Canada, a 2-1 margin, but the goals have been 5-7. That should speak volumes about how the play has been and where the problems lie.
I think Fleury should get a shot in net. He's having another great season, and has a habit of making huge saves when the game is on the line. Oh yeah, and he's the defending Stanley Cup champ. I like Luongo, he's a great goalie, but you think Thornton doesn't show up in big games...well, the same could be said for Roberto to this point in his career. One thing's for sure, he'd be better than Brodeur was last night.
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It was disappointing that Canada lost last night. And the essential difference was goaltending as, for the most part, Canada did have a decided offensive zone dominance.
For some reason Brodeur made two uncharacteristic plays - the first when he tried to bat the puck out of the air one handed. He didn't get it clear of the zone, it went right to the USA defence-man and caught all the Canadian defenders out of position (they certainly didn't expect him to try and make that play so they were all focused on coming back to retrieve the puck as normal, then suddenly they've got their backs to the puck) and a goal resulted. The second was diving out to try and clear a puck that looked to me like it would be controlled by the defence. If he had stayed in the net, he would have been set for any shot the US would've got, but by diving out and sprawling on the ice he put himself way out of position, unable to recover, and again a goal resulted.
As for the Canadian offensive control, Miller took away the bottom of the net very effectively. And credit the US defence for putting just enough pressure on the Canadian shooters that they never had quite enough time to really get set and put the puck high. At any level of hockey, when you're trying to get a shot off under pressure a very high percentage of them will be low and not far off the ice. And that's why Miller did so well, he stayed focused and didn't put himself out of position.
Other than the result it was an enjoyable game and let's hope for better results in the next 4 games.
Go Canada Go!!
For some reason Brodeur made two uncharacteristic plays - the first when he tried to bat the puck out of the air one handed. He didn't get it clear of the zone, it went right to the USA defence-man and caught all the Canadian defenders out of position (they certainly didn't expect him to try and make that play so they were all focused on coming back to retrieve the puck as normal, then suddenly they've got their backs to the puck) and a goal resulted. The second was diving out to try and clear a puck that looked to me like it would be controlled by the defence. If he had stayed in the net, he would have been set for any shot the US would've got, but by diving out and sprawling on the ice he put himself way out of position, unable to recover, and again a goal resulted.
As for the Canadian offensive control, Miller took away the bottom of the net very effectively. And credit the US defence for putting just enough pressure on the Canadian shooters that they never had quite enough time to really get set and put the puck high. At any level of hockey, when you're trying to get a shot off under pressure a very high percentage of them will be low and not far off the ice. And that's why Miller did so well, he stayed focused and didn't put himself out of position.
Other than the result it was an enjoyable game and let's hope for better results in the next 4 games.
Go Canada Go!!
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#$%@& the pro's, bring back the amateurs, at least they will stay in the village and be hungry for the gold. If the pro's lose they couldn't care less, they will still collect their multi-million dollar paychecks.
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Of note; almost all the goals against MB were down low. Yes, he is one of the best goalkeepers in the NHL, but a key problem with yesterday's game is that MB was up against teamates (former teamates - Rafalski) which - regardless of how skilled a person is any position - there are always weaknesses. Raffy, and the rest of the stripe pack obviously were well aware that MB doesn't do the greatest job covering the bottoms of the net. MB is a great acrobatic goaltender, and cannot be classified as a butterfly style keeper. Unfortunately what Canada needed last night was someone to cover the bottom of the net, someone big, who when they drop down, cover the bottom, and are still a large enough size to give ample coverage on top of the mesh - dare I say it again - Luongo.
And, it could be argued that the best stick handling keeper in the NHL would be Marty Turco - hands down in my opinion. But he's not in the games so who gives a shit.
At this stage though, I think playing the extra game against Germany will make them too fatigued to play and win against Russia (scheduled the following day?). A tough road ahead to say the least. The Yanks will be in the final, and if Canada is not there (very likely at this point), the trigger happy Yanks will win Gold. Miracle on shit yet again.
And, it could be argued that the best stick handling keeper in the NHL would be Marty Turco - hands down in my opinion. But he's not in the games so who gives a shit.
At this stage though, I think playing the extra game against Germany will make them too fatigued to play and win against Russia (scheduled the following day?). A tough road ahead to say the least. The Yanks will be in the final, and if Canada is not there (very likely at this point), the trigger happy Yanks will win Gold. Miracle on shit yet again.
Re: Mike Babcock
what canada needed was a goal tender that stayed in the net! not giving up pucks for easy goals for the americans. Babcock should have pulled him after the "batting practice" give away!
Re: Mike Babcock
After tonight's game against Germany, and the coach played Crosby and Iginla duo, like I wrote on here that he should. I'm feeling like, Wow, Mike Babcock saw what I wrote! I feel like maybe the hockey players on Team Canada, and the broadcasters on TSN, all might have agreed with me.
My advice for tomorrow is, play Doughty.
My advice for tomorrow is, play Doughty.
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*yawn*
We should be destroying all the other teams in every conceivable winter sport.. yet we arent..
Remember this... its all done for ENTERTAINMENT!!! Dont doubt that it is very political and quite possibly fixed.
We should be destroying all the other teams in every conceivable winter sport.. yet we arent..
Remember this... its all done for ENTERTAINMENT!!! Dont doubt that it is very political and quite possibly fixed.
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I totally agree with you on this one.chu me wrote:#$%@& the pro's, bring back the amateurs, at least they will stay in the village and be hungry for the gold. If the pro's lose they couldn't care less, they will still collect their multi-million dollar paychecks.
Hey HAZ....when exactly did Germany bomb Pearl Harbour??
Hope I'm wrong, but I can't see Canada getting past tomorrow night.
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Rowdy wrote:Dont doubt that it is very political and quite possibly fixed.
Geez Rowdy, what are your thoughts on the moon landing?
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Re: Mike Babcock
The only game I've been able to watch so far is the loss to the US. My amateur read was that the players were all trying to not appear greedy with the puck. They were passing it around too much in the offensive zone, instead of taking the shot. Then in in the last 2 minutes, when the Canadians were clearly in control and peppering Miller, Marty should have been pulled for the extra man. The US guys were tired and in desperate need for a change, and we should have pressed the advantage then. At that point, what do you have to lose anyway. They waited too long to pull him and it gave the US a chance to regroup and get fresh legs out there.
