When did Canadian aviation "Jump The Shark" in your opinion?

[OhKiE DoHkIe]

DEFINITION by Wikipedia: Jumping the shark is an idiom used to describe the moment of downturn for a previously successful enterprise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

This industry has changed so much since I first got into it 20 years ago. Many will argue at what pivotal moment or pinnacle in the aviation industry history did it "Jump the Shark"

In my opinion, it was in 1987 when Canada's skies were fully open under deregulation.

Any old school folks here care to share their thoughts?

[Kilo-Kilo]

I remember a major downturn from '89-'92 but at 37 I probably don't meet your definition of "old school" regardless of my personal experience.

[Romantic Lung]

It's seems to me, your question cannot be sufficiently answered without considering what goes on in the broader economy.

1. The rate of return on investment has been declining in general since the mid-seventies. This was when the post WW2 economic boom ended

2. There has been no long lasting, stable basis for a new economic expansion that can restore the rate of return (profit) back to that post war period.


So....
... all industries are fair game. Including Aviation.

Downsizing, Increased Intensity, Competition (an understatement).

In 1987 the stock market crashed,
Dot-com bubble burst 2000/2001
And 2008 (lending aint so laissez faire these days)

What other economic tools are available?

That "excess" value or surplus-value has to get carved out of someone!

[. ._]

I'm semi-old school.

I remember talking to my buds about this in grade school.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpraJYnbVtE

But I don't know anything about this as it relates to the economy.

All's I know is... is that the FONZ was and still is the coolest guy EVER!



AAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

-istp

[bmc]

"Freedom to Move" liberalization air policy. Prior to that, no airline could compete on more than 30% of AC's routes. The tax payers paid for fleet changes.

Any fare increases had to be submitted to the government for approval.

[Meatservo]

When they got rid of the "Senior Commercial" License. Maybe not WHY it happened, but it started to go tits-up for us pilots around then. At some point since then it became more advisable to get a business degree than a pilot's license if you wanted a career in aviation.

[jjj]

istp,

you get a gold star for understanding the etymology of that idiom.

[Prairie Chicken]

Ah MapleFlag, now you're gonna confuse the young 'uns here with talk of the ANOs. Still, I can't argue with your logic.

[Driving Rain]

Aug 10th 1949. This country blew it big time. (google Jetliner)

[mattedfred]

the inability of ACPA and the Air Canada regional pilot groups to merge seniority lists prior to WestJet and Porter commencing operations

[Strega]

Im going to say whenever TCCA began permitting 200 hour pilots to become instructors...

[2R]

Aug 10th 1949. This country blew it big time. (google Jetliner)

&1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_Jetliner

Some of the guys at the Avro plant used to say the government of the day should have been tried for treason.
They said that as we looked at the plans of the Avro Arrow ,Plans that the Government ordered destroyed

[iflyforpie]

Aug 10th 1949. This country blew it big time. (google Jetliner)

&1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_Jetliner

Some of the guys at the Avro plant used to say the government of the day should have been tried for treason.
They said that as we looked at the plans of the Avro Arrow ,Plans that the Government ordered destroyed

-1

The Jetliner was a great experiment and might have been marginally successful if it had the Avon engines. But it was too small to be profitable and even if it was more marketable, it could not be made in large enough numbers fast enough to satisfy airline desires. These are the same things that eventually killed the Comet which was a much better design after they fixed the explosive decompressions problems.

The Arrow was a technological triumph but an untested one. Who knows what further challenges would have shown themselves during service testing or squadron service? As for the aircraft performance it would have never been a Mach 3 interceptor and was at best an equivalent to the F-4 and BAC Lightning. The project itself was hugely inefficient and Avro ultimately had no one to blame but itself for that. Some of the Orenda engineers went to work for UAC on their humble little PT6, and they were not only amazed at what you could accomplish on a private-venture budget, but also the high tolerances and complexity of the PT6 in comparison to the hallowed Iroquois.

These are the success stories in Canadian aviation and continue to be so, all after 1949, 1959 and the 'death' of Canadian Aviation. The PT6, the Twin Pac, the JT15D, the PW100, PW300; the Chipmunk, Beaver, Otter, Caribou, Buffalo, Twin Otter, Dash 7, Dash 8, Northstar, Argus, Yukon, CL44, CL215, CL415, Challenger, CRJ, C Series, Twin Otter 400, it goes on and on and on. And this isn't even talking about the component manufacturing industry, the modification industry, or certain operations that rise above the crud and truly do excellent and professional work.


If Canadian Aviation is bad now, it was bad then and vice-versa.

[Shiny Side Up]

Im going to say whenever TCCA began permitting 200 hour pilots to become instructors...

As far as I can tell, this has been since about 1935 when TC was brought into being as its change from the previous entity was directly related to the increase in the ammount of air travel. Before then flight instructors had less time.

[Lowjack]

[dashx]

Chico Escuela

Abeathion bein berry berry goood to me...

[Invertago]

Im going to say whenever TCCA began permitting 200 hour pilots to become instructors...

Better get those facts straight there Strega... its 230hrs you still have to get the rating.