Canjet losing Transat flying?

[The Maestro]

I've heard from a few sources that this is happening.

Does anyone have any more information on this?

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[ajet32]

You have heard from which sources?? Or are you just stirring the pot. This time of year as bookings go up and down planes and crews are shifted around regularly,
Or do you have something REAL.

[Luscombe]

No signs of any slowdown here. I'm flying my buns off, geting overtime. We're hiring new guys and talk of getting more CanJet -800's. Doesn't sound like we're losing any flying from Transat at all.

[Say Altitude]

Why would AT take the flying away from CanJet? They have an agreement with CJ management to pay their NG Captains $85k a year! Can't beat a deal like that! Heck for that price, they should should give the widebodies to CJ as well!

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Why would AT take the flying away from CanJet? They have an agreement with CJ management to pay their NG Captains $85k a year! Can't beat a deal like that! Heck for that price, they should should give the widebodies to CJ as well!

Great idea SA...Why pay those Air Transat skippers that much, eh?

Shut 'em down, I say... After all, they're setting a Canadian charter standard...and geez, they're profitable at it too...go figure!

[Say Altitude]

Tough thing about the internet and posting - you can't see my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek....

My point is that if the $85k/year is true, then CanJet Capt's are WAY underpaid relative to the rest of the industry - and it sucks because all it does it accelerate the race to the bottom.

Plain and simple. When you look at what their brothers/sisters at WJA are making for working about the same amount of hours a month, plus the wages that are available on the open/contract market for NG/A320 Captains, the simple reality is that they are probably $50-$70k annually underpaid.

Even the Dinosaur drivers at Air North, First Air, and Canadian North are probably $30-$40k higher than that - and probably work less hours.

But I guess it is what it is.....

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Tough thing about the internet and posting - you can't see my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek....

We're on the same page SA... No worries...!

[The Maestro]

No pot stirring here, nor does this have anything to do with Canjet shifting crews around (thanks for the mini economics lesson ajet). I have many friends in various positions @ TS who have indicated that Canjet isn't meeting there performance obligations, hence jeopardizing themselves against loss of contract.

Luscombe, do you really think TS would tell you that they were considering transportation alternatives? (Even though you are flying o/t).

Altitude, I agree that $85k is poor, but Canjet (as a corporation or limited company - or however they are known now) isn't meeting there obligations contractually, therefore putting a portion of Groupe Transat's $3.5 billion in sales at risk.
The cheapest labour force doesn't necessarily give you the best results.

I guess no one has anything to add to my original question?

[Huge Hammer]

Keep in mind that the contract is not for or with TS it is with TTC - Transat Tours canada, just like it was with WS.

While the TS folks may be having a hen party and spreading rumors it is more important how Canjet is performing in TTC's eyes.

[ajet32]

The Maestro:
it wasn't economics DH it was Operations, use a 189 seat A/C for 189 seat loads and use larger EA 31 and EA 33 types for bigger loads and longer routes. Seems everywhere I go there are Canjet Aircraft operating so maybe your sources are just singing sour or maybe there jealous.
The Canjet pilots are all good people many of whom have suffered through several shutdowns and just want to fly , make a living etc.
Cheers

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The Canjet pilots are all good people...

AFAIK, that has never been disputed.



In the meantime...

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site ... ewsLang=en

[CJ6]

I may be wrong...but hasn't/didn't Transat try to introduce a narrow body fleet into the company a while back, but the pilots wouldn't accept the salaries that the company wanted to pay them to fly them. So if what I said was true, they are complaining about outsourcing, and the company being stagnant in pilot group growth...while the pilots haven't done anything to help their cause...They wanna make 330 pay flying a 737 or 320, and the company didn't bite...somethings gotta give!

[Flybaby]

But the problem is that Canjet is paying well paid King Air Wages for flying a 737, frankly it is disgrace. I still can't believe they got away with the illegal immigrate argument for hiring foreign pilots; no one is willing to clean my house for $3.00 an hour, guess they is no one qualified, so lets bring in foreigners that will work for cheap.

[CJ6]

First off, I have never met a King Air capt. that made 100+k, at least not in Canada. Secondly, people love to focus on the fact that we had Germans working for us (this was their last year), rather than the fact that CanJet has created more pilot jobs in the last few years than any other company in Canada. We hired 20 in 2008, 40 in 2009, and are hiring 20-30 in 2010. I don't see anyine else doing that in Canada or the US, do you??? Thirdly, these "foreginers" don't work for cheap. Which should show you that CanJet used them cause they had to, not cause they wanted to you. You can only hire so many people on your down season, and thats what CanJet did. And used German pilots to fill the gap each busy season. Like I said, last year for the Germans, cause CanJet has enough people in place now due to the hard work of the management and checkers.

[Clint23]

First off, I have never met a King Air capt. that made 100+k, at least not in Canada. Secondly, people love to focus on the fact that we had Germans working for us (this was their last year), rather than the fact that CanJet has created more pilot jobs in the last few years than any other company in Canada. We hired 20 in 2008, 40 in 2009, and are hiring 20-30 in 2010. I don't see anyine else doing that in Canada or the US, do you??? Thirdly, these "foreginers" don't work for cheap. Which should show you that CanJet used them cause they had to, not cause they wanted to you. You can only hire so many people on your down season, and thats what CanJet did. And used German pilots to fill the gap each busy season. Like I said, last year for the Germans, cause CanJet has enough people in place now due to the hard work of the management and checkers.

You better check your numbers CJ6, I believe WS is hiring 120 this year alone....that is more than CJ in the last three combined...and they pay quite a bit better than CJ...oops but they are in YYC where it is soooooo much more expensive to live! LOL.

[CJ6]

So far my numbers are actual, yours are speculative...But I hope they do hire 120 guys, good for all of us to see the industry is spooling back up...

[KAG]

CJ6, In 2007 we hired 118 pilots, in 2008 we hired 96 pilots, in 2009 it was only 19. This year we've had a course every 3 weeks since Jan, 10 per course.
Hopefully it continues, and we stay the course.

[jinky]

don't think they are losing flying... last couple vacations some friends booked where all canjet for mexico and the one I booked to los cabos again is canjet...

[WALL E]

The bottom line is this...............
It is a contract and a contract can be broken with a months notice.
I wish Canjet well but I would not feel that safe under those conditions.

[WetJet]

First off, I have never met a King Air capt. that made 100+k, at least not in Canada.

Well, maybe not 100K but if you look over in jobs forum, you would see that BobM at Thunder Airlines pays his King Air and MU2 Captains 85K (same as some CJ Captains) a year, to work for a 703 charter operation flying 9 passengers. I'm just saying...

[True North]

First off, I have never met a King Air capt. that made 100+k, at least not in Canada. Secondly, people love to focus on the fact that we had Germans working for us (this was their last year), rather than the fact that CanJet has created more pilot jobs in the last few years than any other company in Canada. We hired 20 in 2008, 40 in 2009, and are hiring 20-30 in 2010. I don't see anyine else doing that in Canada or the US, do you??? Thirdly, these "foreginers" don't work for cheap. Which should show you that CanJet used them cause they had to, not cause they wanted to you. You can only hire so many people on your down season, and thats what CanJet did. And used German pilots to fill the gap each busy season. Like I said, last year for the Germans, cause CanJet has enough people in place now due to the hard work of the management and checkers.

Buddy, get your head out of your arse.

Maybe Canjet had to hire them ferners because they couldn't find anybody in Canada willing to sell themselves out for $85k/yr on an NG.

We can only hope.

[CJ6]

True North...au contraire...we have more than enough people applying to work for us, that is not an issue. Like I said, we just couldn't pump them through training quick enough. Needed someone to fill the gap temporairly.

[Anti-Ice]

Man, we are in the midst of the biggest recession since the depression and people have the gall to slag Canjetters? Hiring all but stopped at WJ and AC over the last two years. So a pilot takes a job at Canjet and all of a sudden they are 'lowering the bar' for all pilots world wide? F*** That and F*** the slaggers. We are all doing the best we can as pilots and as members of families.

Do any one of you who slam Canjet really think there is another alternative?

"ya well ok Canjet, the pay scales are a bit on the low side, I'm thinking about sticking with the king airs for awhile...(I hear the BE20 type rating is golden on the contract market)"

"Ok, thank you for your application and when we raise the pay scales we'll call you."

We all take what we can get. if not someone else surely will step up. For what it is worth, I find Canjet to be an excellent company to work for (after 1.5 years as F.O.). And I've worked at a few.

The only difficult issue i see is the conflict with the Transat pilots (our Alpa commrades).

To any pilots considering Canjet, welcome aboard. You will be treated well (although not paid well hahaha)

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....if not someone else surely will step up....

Ain't that the truth....