Bearskin, Thunder Air, Wasaya

[Ville]

Anyone work for these companies or know how they are to work for? Thinking about seeing if I could start on the ramp of any of them and work my way up...

[Doc]

Anyone work for these companies or know how they are to work for? Thinking about seeing if I could start on the ramp of any of them and work my way up...

Do you have a "pilot" license?
Pretty sure Wasaya has dispensed with their "wannabe" program.
I don't think The Bear hires rampies.
Thunder Airlines....can't help you there. Good operation, and the only one of the three that doesn't require you to pay upfront cash.

Wasaya treats their pilots like crap. The pilots are all real good folks.
Bearskin is good with their pilots, and so is Thunder.

[dying2fly]

Any Bearskin pilots out there? If you don't mind sending me a PM that would be great

Thanks!

[Captain Kangaroo]

I worked at the Bear for a couple of years. It was by far one of the best jobs I have ever had... probably shouldn't have left but the upgrade time is slow as many decide to hang their hat there for good.

CK

PS. One of the best CP's in the business to boot.

[185_guy]

I worked at the Bear for a couple of years. It was by far one of the best jobs I have ever had... probably shouldn't have left but the upgrade time is slow as many decide to hang their hat there for good.

CK

+1

I worked at Wasaya for a bit as well, not as peachy as the Bear. But if you want to start on the ramp, Wasaya is probable the only outfit of the ones mentioned to do it at. (if they still have the 'wannabe' program)

Go a little further west/north young grasshopper!

[Ville]

Thanks for the responses. Does anyone know if others besides Wasaya have a wannabe program?

[Ville]

...and by others I mean others besides ones mentioned.

[aV1aTOr]

Central Mountain Air has a low time pilot list to progress wannabes to the right seat of the 1900D. I believe Air Tindi does as well (?).

[fingersmac]

Wabusk has a job ad for a ramp to flight line position.

Wasaya doesn't haven't a wannabe program right now. Things could change in the future but for now it's suspended.

[Ville]

Thanks guys!

[Randleman]

Check out Perimeter Ville, they have a great program, though you will have to wait on the ground a LONG time. They say that you can move up within 6 months, but so far I've not met a pilot who has or who knows anyone who has done it much faster than 2 years...perhaps a Perimeter pilot could correct me if I'm wrong?

Keewatin/Kivalliq air also has a program similar, and they got a new CP, whom I visited, and he seemed like a real nice guy!

I myself just got into the "wannabe program" at another company, so take this for what it's worth! I'm sure there are others out there who can speak into that better, but just trying to help!
Best of luck to you!

[ScudRunner]

So just saw Wasaya advertising for a Chief Flight Attendant, does anyone know what they are getting that would require an F/A?
I didn't think the HS748 hauled pax?

[transplanted]

They do have a pax kit for the 748, and the chief FA could be the whole crew as not sure they would need too many

[TRQ]

Well our DASH-8 with the Wasaya logo just rolled in if that answers your question...

[fish4life]

as an ex perimeter guy its a great company to work for although the ramp wait is longer now than it was but it all depends on the industry, when things were moving quick a guy got on with a month of ramp experience when its slow some guys are in the 2+ year range. Advantage is ramp guys are making $14/hr after a year or so if your good so you can afford to work the ramp.

[Brown Bear]

Only a two year wait? Gee, things are REALLY looking up! The world ends in 2012......maybe some day you will all get to exercise the privileges printed on your "pilot" licence.....maybe NOT!

[aerosexual]

Advantage is ramp guys are making $14/hr after a year or so if your good so you can afford to work the ramp.

I didn't think that making $14 an hour would be considered an "advantage" in an entry level job for high school grads, nevermind pilots working non flying jobs waiting for an opportunity to fly.

[Flygal]

+1 for Perimeter. Best pay in any department compared to all the other starter companies. So you will not live in squalid poverty while you're waiting to fly, plus YWG isn't that bad. Once you're on line, it's pretty nice too. Full benefits package, OK starting pay, Pilots Association, proper maint., fair management, good pilots and a overall positive environment. They have multiple jump seat agreements so you will be able to travel when you're not working one of your 16 days a month. There is a reason why they don't bond their metro and 99 pilots, it's an awesome gig. HR department has STACKS of resumes from CPL wonders trying to get their foot in the door. I'm a success story; no pain, no gain.

Kiv and Keewatin have a hiring pool too. Smaller companies though mean less movement. But I've heard good stories out of them too!

Only a two year wait? Gee, things are REALLY looking up! The world ends in 2012......maybe some day you will all get to exercise the privileges printed on your "pilot" licence.....maybe NOT!

We all know about your views on working the ground with a CPL, but whining on avcanada won't get you any closer to a turbine. If you had got up off your ass you probably would be a captain somewhere by now. Just because mom and dad bought you a CPL doesn't mean you're entitled to a job. Lawyers have to article! Business people have to fetch Starbucks for the boss! Unless you're in the group of less than 1% of pilots who luck out with a job, you're going to have to get dirty. I mean no offence to you. I was once in your mind frame too. I then just accepted my fate to throw baggage one day and it all worked out. I had fun too.

[frankfrank]

BoooYahhh!

Brown Bear just got owned!!!!!!!

Did mummy and daddy pay for your CPL? Years ago?

[flyincanuck]

Apples and oranges.

I'm with the bear on this one.

Law offices can't hire any douchbag off the streets to article. In fact articling is a legal qualification you must have prior to practicing law.

Working the ramp is not a legal requirement to becoming a pilot.

I'm not sold on your argument. Actually, I'm getting tired of hearing it.

Stop fooling yourselves.

Start thinking like a professional and we'll start getting paid like one too.

(Oh, doctors are legally required to do residence...if you were going to go down that road too)

[Brown Bear]

+1 for Perimeter. Best pay in any department compared to all the other starter companies. So you will not live in squalid poverty while you're waiting to fly, plus YWG isn't that bad. Once you're on line, it's pretty nice too. Full benefits package, OK starting pay, Pilots Association, proper maint., fair management, good pilots and a overall positive environment. They have multiple jump seat agreements so you will be able to travel when you're not working one of your 16 days a month. There is a reason why they don't bond their metro and 99 pilots, it's an awesome gig. HR department has STACKS of resumes from CPL wonders trying to get their foot in the door. I'm a success story; no pain, no gain.

Kiv and Keewatin have a hiring pool too. Smaller companies though mean less movement. But I've heard good stories out of them too!

Only a two year wait? Gee, things are REALLY looking up! The world ends in 2012......maybe some day you will all get to exercise the privileges printed on your "pilot" licence.....maybe NOT!

We all know about your views on working the ground with a CPL, but whining on avcanada won't get you any closer to a turbine. If you had got up off your ass you probably would be a captain somewhere by now. Just because mom and dad bought you a CPL doesn't mean you're entitled to a job. Lawyers have to article! Business people have to fetch Starbucks for the boss! Unless you're in the group of less than 1% of pilots who luck out with a job, you're going to have to get dirty. I mean no offence to you. I was once in your mind frame too. I then just accepted my fate to throw baggage one day and it all worked out. I had fun too.

Well, "Flygal", I was probably flying turbines while your mommy was changing your diapers.
Show me a lawyer that has to load the bosses car for 2-3 years.
Big difference between "fetching Starbucks" for the boss, and kissing ass on a ramp, with a carrot dangled in front of your nose. Huge!
Glad you had fun chucking bags. Doesn't make it right though.

frankfrank...."owned"? Yah, whatever. In your dreams.

Fact remains.....this is the ONLY industry where employees PAY directly for their jobs. Where else are employees treated as "slave" labour for companies to cheap to hire "normal" labour?

[Brown Bear]

A point that most of you are missing is........I'm on YOUR side! I want to see companies hire pilots as PILOTS! Instead of taking cheap shots at me, maybe you should all want the same thing??
If I was running an aviation company, I WOULD HIRE PILOTS as PILOTS. I guess, in some of your simple minds, that make ME the enemy? I guess, if "getting it up the poop shoot" is considered "normal", you should "expect" and be "willing" to get it "up the poop shoot"?? Whatever we do, lets NOT rock the boat?

[2R]

+1

Unless you're in the group of less than 1% of pilots who luck out with a job, you're going to have to get dirty.[/quote]


How dirty and what kind of dirty

[fish4life]

one thing i'd have to add about perimeter is you say pay people a decent wage instead of slave labour?... well Perimeter ramp guys are making more than any other ramp people in YWG (with the exception of A/C but thats a different situation and they are over paid) if you don't have a flying job why not get a ramp job until you can find one, as for the carrot unless you really mess up on the ramp and can't fly in your sim evals everyone is taken in order of seniority on the ramp, and the best part time job while working on your licenses.

[PunkStarStudios]

I'm kinda with Brown Bear as well... although he's expressing his point a little stronger than I would care too but that's his prerogative.

Personally - I wouldn't take a "flying job" where there was no flying if that's the career I wanted to pursue.
To article you need law school.
To do residence you need med school.
To fly you need flight school
To ramp... you need no school.

The previous comparisons were not exactly on point.

Just sayin'