RCMP ram kid on ATV

[SuperchargedRS]

In my own defense I quit smoking since then lol.

All jokes aside if someone almost takes your life with a pickup, even if you get your ass handed to you, personally I couldn't live with myself if I just "complied" after something like that. That's not being tough, its fight or flight, some people do the latter (like buddy in the video) some dont.

[BoostedNihilist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-YxFvP-wNo

And his name is YAAAWEEEIIIIII

priceless

[. ._]

In my own defense I quit smoking since then lol.

All jokes aside if someone almost takes your life with a pickup, even if you get your ass handed to you, personally I couldn't live with myself if I just "complied" after something like that. That's not being tough, its fight or flight, some people do the latter (like buddy in the video) some dont.

So when you get sent to jail for assaulting a police officer, you will have won a personal victory.

Whatever floats your boat, man. At the end of the day, we all have to live with ourselves.

-istp

[SuperchargedRS]

If the RCMP ram you, your going to jail for something anyway.

Can you think of the lawsuit if they DIDNT arrest him after hitting him, that would be clearly stating "we rammed a innocent civilian"

1) Now, your not going to win a lawsuit aganst the crown unless you have BIG bucks (more money then a guy riding a ATV around those parts has),

2)your going to be going to jail on some charge anyway (for the reasons stated above) and since we established a lack of money to do #1, you kinda f'ed anyway

So might as well get your licks in, better to tell your 10 bastard kids that papa went down fighting, then just went down.

...imho

[tiggermoth]

So might as well get your licks in, better to tell your 10 bastard kids that papa went down fighting, then just went down.

In my opinion, it is attitudes like this, and those of our friend cpl that are the reason the the rcmp are a little bit more "aggresive" these days. They have to be, because it doesn't matter what they do, they can almost always expect someone to come out swinging after them. So, they come out ready to get the first hit in so that they, their partners, or innocent bystanders are not hurt. Use your frikken heads guys.

If the cops approach you for something and right away you get angry and defensive, and start spouting crap about them being unfair, violating your rights etc, then of course they are going to get aggresive. This is what they have to deal with EVERY DAY!!!

Let me ask all "cop haters" this. If you went to work every day, knowing that someone was going to yell at you and try to hurt you, wouldn't you eventually become more aggresive and not take any chances with anyone????

[dashx]

Thank you tiggermoth:

Taser related deaths in Canada
2007
Robert Dziekanski, 40, in the Vancouver Airport in October.
Quilem Registre, 39, in Montreal after being stopped by police on suspicion of drunk driving, also in October.
2006
Jason Dean, 28 in Red Deer while running from police in August.
2005
Alesandro Fiacco, 33 in Edmonton, arrested while wandering into traffic in December.
James Foldi, 39, of Beamsville, Ont. while being arrested for breaking and entering in July.
Paul Sheldon Saulnier, 42, while being restrained by police in Digby N.S. in July.
Gurmeet Sandhu, 41, of Surrey B.C., while being restrained during a domestic dispute in June.
Kevin Geldart, 34, in Moncton, N.B. in May during an altercation with police in a bar.
2004
Samuel Truscott, 43, of Kingston, Ont. was tasered by police during arrest. His death was ruled a drug overdose.
Jerry Knight, 29, a semi-pro boxer was tasered by police at a Mississauga motel in July after complaints he had become violent.
Robert Bagnell, 54, while in custody of the Vancouver police in June. He had cocaine in his system.
Peter Lamonday, 33, while being restrained by police in London, Ont. in May.
Roman Andreichikov, 25, high on cocaine and being restrained by Vancouver police also in May.
Perry Ronald, 28, while being restrained by Edmonton police after jumping from a window in March.
2003
Clark Whitehouse, 34, tried to flee the Whitehorse RCMP after being stopped in traffic in September.
Clayton Alvin Willey, 33, of Prince George was also high on cocaine when tasered by police while trespassing in July.
Terry Hanna, 51, was tasered by Burnaby RCMP in April during a break and enter. Cocaine was also involved.
Compiled by Kirsten Smith
© CanWest News Service 2007

[dashx]

Have any of you ever been pulled over for speeding?

Yes?

Did you admit to the officer that in fact yes you were speeding and would happily take that ticket and pay it immediately?

No? Did you perhaps try to argue with him and get a wee bit angry with him for pulling you over....

After he wouldn't lower the ticket and you were on your way again....

Did you go consult an EX-COP (who happens to have a successful business defending people involved in traffic violations)?

Who knows all the ins and outs and how to get you "off" the charge.

And when he "won"

How proud you were that you beat the system......Which is corrupt and of which you are now a shining example.

oh ya..........

[SuperchargedRS]

So might as well get your licks in, better to tell your 10 bastard kids that papa went down fighting, then just went down.

In my opinion, it is attitudes like this, and those of our friend cpl that are the reason the the rcmp are a little bit more "aggresive" these days. They have to be, because it doesn't matter what they do, they can almost always expect someone to come out swinging after them. So, they come out ready to get the first hit in so that they, their partners, or innocent bystanders are not hurt. Use your frikken heads guys.

If the cops approach you for something and right away you get angry and defensive, and start spouting crap about them being unfair, violating your rights etc, then of course they are going to get aggresive. This is what they have to deal with EVERY DAY!!!

Let me ask all "cop haters" this. If you went to work every day, knowing that someone was going to yell at you and try to hurt you, wouldn't you eventually become more aggresive and not take any chances with anyone????

Ok I'll play, if the RCMP "approach" me, I'll say "Hi" and be civil. I am not being agressive however matching force is not "aggressive" it's expected. I go to the hospitable, you go to the hospitable.

When I go to work people are very happy to see me, as I them. Just as I said before it's a quid pro quo relationship and off the bat I am a friendly guy.


One of the reasons you get these aggressive police stories in the news is due lack of balance of power between the police and the civilian.

Ever witness a normal interaction (i.e. speeding ticket) between a cop and someone with a CCW (concealed carry license) after they hand over their papers along with their CCW license, it tends to be more mutual "respect". The police officer tends to not be overly authoritative and thus the civilian is calm as well, as it's just two people talking at that point(obviously to get a CCW you cant have a criminal record). In my experience when the playing field is level people act allot more like people.

[Clearwater]

The incident in the video with the quad took place at a busy schoolyard. The driver was dropping his girlfriend off. To the best of my knowledge he was wanted by the RCMP for not wearing a helmet and was never prosecuted for anything.

[ronjeremy]

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[Sulako]

I know that cops are necessary, and I am glad we have a police force. Unfortunately I have met more than one cop who was a total goon, but I would never physically fight with a police officer - they have guns, and I don't, and they have more cops just a radio call away. That being said, I have no problem with holding them accountable for their actions, and for posting videos like this which provoke discussion.

From the looks of the video they used inappropriate force, but I don't have the background details on why they felt the need to immobilize the kid - and that's exactly why it's so important to know the events leading up to the video.


Now for some minor housekeeping:

I'm in a good mood because we just got an adorable new puppy, so I'm not going to bother handing out strikes/warnings for the minor catfights in this thread so far, but I'm going to remind the posters to play nice and be respectful, even if you disagree with the other posters. There are lots of ways to get your point across without calling people names, and I encourage all of you to explore those options.

[Slats]

I disagree, from the looks of the line they were taking it seems they were trying to drive in front of the guy to cut off and block the quad. He gunned it and drove in front of the line they were taking. A quad accelerates faster, maneuvers better and stops quicker than a one-ton truck; they couldn't avoid him at that point. Entirely his fault. Big deal. His immediate sprint indicates to me he was a scumbag anyway. Non-scumbags (aka upstanding citizen types) don't normally run from the cops.

[tiggermoth]

I disagree, from the looks of the line they were taking it seems they were trying to drive in front of the guy to cut off and block the quad. He gunned it and drove in front of the line they were taking. A quad accelerates faster, maneuvers better and stops quicker than a one-ton truck; they couldn't avoid him at that point. Entirely his fault

Thank you Slats, I'm glad to see someone else who actually watched the video more than once, so that you can see what did happen. Everyone who believes the police did this on purpose, watch the video again. You will see that the truck is well to the side and aiming IN FRONT of the quad to block him from being able to go. The quad rider clearly looks, sees the cops, and guns it, thus putting him right in front of the truck.

One other thing I noticed, there is a note in the video saying "no lights or sirens" when the police appear. Well Du'h!!!! The police were probably driving down the road minding their own business, when they spotted this guy (who apparently was wanted for earlier misdemeanors) as they passed the parking lot, so they immediately turned in to stop him. They would not have had time to on the lights or siren.

[The Old Fogducker]

To the officer whose post from this morning is now missing, I want to say thank-you for your service to the community in which you live.

It can sometimes be a thankless job, as is evidenced by the tone of a very vocal, very small, segment of society. You're exposed to scumbags on a daily basis, don't let it get to you. Keep on doing the job in exactly the way your instincts and training tell you to do it so that you go home to your family each night.

My best wishes to all police officers who are forced as a part of their duty, to endure the type of crap spewed by some of the posters here, and elsewhere.

There's nothing like a full moon and some booze on a weekend to bring out the worst in people. Even the wimpiest, underweight little weasel wants to fight, and then is surprised when he loses. Then he goes crying to mommy and the news media because "the bad man hit me."

Regards,
The Old Fogducker

[tiggermoth]

To the officer whose post from this morning is now missing, I want to say thank-you for your service to the community in which you live.

It can sometimes be a thankless job, as is evidenced by the tone of a very vocal very small segment of society. You're exposed to scumbags on a daily basis, don't let it get to you. Keep on doing the job in exactly the way your instincts and training tell you to do it so that you go home to your family each night.

My best wishes to all police officers who are forced as a part of their duty, to endure the type of crap spewed by some of the posters here, and elsewhere.

There's nothing like a full moon and some booze on a weekend to bring out the worst in people. Even the wimpiest, underweight little weasel wants to fight, and then is surprised when he loses.

Regards,
The Old Fogducker

+1 I agree 100%. Thank you for this TOF. Very well put.

[HS-748 2A]

Was that a Toyota?

Now that was kinda' funny...

[Sulako]

old fogducker: I deleted your reply in which you suggest that an AvCanada member deserves to be punched in the face and deserves to be beaten. Threats of violence are not cool, and that's a strike 1.

If you don't like a poster on AvCanada, just go to their profile and click on the 'foe' button - you'll never see their posts again.

If you choose to get involved in a subject with someone you detest, try to focus on the post rather than the poster.

[The Old Fogducker]

As legal counsel is oft-time heard to say in court ... "Your Honor, I will rephrase..."

Most incidents where a police officer reacts with what someone not able to observe the facial expressions and body language of the message sender may feel an inappropriate degree of force has been used in response, are no doubt precipitated by the individual's overactive "running of his mouth."

Such ill-considered remarks, which would not be tolerated by even the person's closest, most forgiving friend or life partner, may lead to to a domestic dispute resulting in potential injury to the vocalist.

Such interaction should not be considered to be unusual human behaviour.

The Old Fogducker

[Troubleshot]

It is funny...I being a law abiding citizen and all my friends and family that I know have never been victim of the big bad RCMP.....funny how that works eh....

I don't take drugs, fight outside bars, run from the police, break and enter, beat my wife, drink and drive, etc...

So let me get this straight if you don't break laws you don't deal with the police? is that right? hmmmm confusing....

If this kid on the ATV would have hurt my kid that went to school there ...the RCMP would have been the least of his worries, an ATV is not for a school yard.

[Slats]

I disagree, from the looks of the line they were taking it seems they were trying to drive in front of the guy to cut off and block the quad. He gunned it and drove in front of the line they were taking. A quad accelerates faster, maneuvers better and stops quicker than a one-ton truck; they couldn't avoid him at that point. Entirely his fault. Big deal. His immediate sprint indicates to me he was a scumbag anyway. Non-scumbags (aka upstanding citizen types) don't normally run from the cops.

Well unless the officers were *retarded*, would they not realize the obvious differences in performance you point out? How in the hell could they have thought they'd out-maneuver or out-accelerate an ATV? What a bunch of f'ing clowns.

I am well of your anti-police bias and as such I realize nothing anyone says will dissuade you from your crusade but regardless, I'll bite. The officers clearly steered their truck in the direction where there was nothing to hit. They probably expected that unless the suspect was "retarded" that he would not drive in front of a moving vehicle. Obviously he wasn't too bright because he clearly accelerated directly in front of a moving vehicle. If you are at a 2-way stop and drive in front of passing traffic, you are at fault, not the person who hit you.
But, like I said, I'm sure you will take from this video what you want to see, you've made your bias very clear.

[The Old Fogducker]

I wonder if there is sufficient support on the board to start a chapter of the "James Roscoe of Mayerthorpe Fan Club?"

OFD

[Slats]

Quite an arbitrary statement, but I think you will have difficulty convincing anyone in this site that you are viewing this in a completely objective manner.

Here is what I see:
At 13:54:32 the RCMP vehicle enters the parking lot tracking a straight line that would bring them alongside the quad.
At 13:54:33 you can see the suspect look over his shoulder at the RCMP truck, he instantly hammers it (you can see a gravel cloud from the rear tires of the quad) in a direction that will take him directly in front of the truck.
At 13:54:35 the truck impacts the quad while still on its original track maintained since it entered the parking lot, before the suspect moved.

You can't dispute any of the above; they are the facts as laid bare by the video. Clearly if the suspect had just stayed put, he would not have been struck. You simply cannot deny that the line the RCMP vehicle was on (established before the suspect moved) would have brought it alongside the suspect. He alone placed himself in the path of an oncoming vehicle.

cpl_atc, please feel free to point out to me any contradictory FACTS, if you can, to enlighten me as to where my analysis is wrong.

[BibleMonkey]

I think I can see a puff of smoke, coming from the grassy knoll.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5481454022#

[SuperchargedRS]

If the cops were only trying to get this guy for a helmet, going offensive by ramming him (or even if they were swerving in front of him) was reckless and nearly caused a loss of life.

The RCMP caused a crash for a helmet ticket... "hey bubba, that guy doesn't have a helmet on, he could get hurt...lets swerve in front of him / ram him" Now does that sound right to you?


This is the damn problem with Canada, you get some cops almost killing some kid that was dropping his girlfriend off at highschool-> uhh well it not the cops fault,
You have the secret squirrel from confed that tried to get shot down -> not his fault, he was mentally ill

The list goes on and on, how about some accountability!


This was a example of some John Wayne cops, try to defend it or spin it all you like.

[BibleMonkey]

Ain't no call to be bad-mouthing John Wayne, Mister.





**The only movie John Wayne was a bad guy in was " Reap the Wild Wind" in 1942.
( “ Additionally, it is also one of only eleven feature films in which Wayne's character is dead by the closing credits“ )
All the rest of the time, the guy John Wayne shot/punched/kicked had it coming.

Although I don't think he ever rode over an ATV with a motor vehicle, John Wayne probably would have plugged those fleeing criminals with his handgun-instead of only running after them like those 'fraidy-cat-to-use-my-pistol RCMP there.

I mean, what the hell is the point of carrying a pistol , if you're not going to plug fleeing criminals with it?

I rest my case, your honour.