Mooney Bravo Flap Speed

[one8tee]

Hey Everyone.. am trying to help a friend of mine out who bought a Mooney Bravo. Anyone know what the flap (approach) speed is? I obiously don't have access to a POH..

thanks,

180

[ZBBYLW]

Don't know the numbers however if you take your Vso (Landing Config) then multiply that number by 1.3 you'll get a safe approach speed. If you want to be really fancy you can do 1.3Vso x Square root of the Ldg Weight over the Gross Weight.

[Hedley]

Shoot from the hip (tm): 85 mph

Do I win the prize? I know absolutely nothing about the Mooney Bravo, but I do know that it's a certified single, and as such must have a Vso of 70 mph or less. I will throw a dart and come up with a Vso of 65 mph with flaps down, with some fuel burned off, and 1.3 x 65 mph = 85 mph

PS I have 400 hours (not much) in an M20J, which is a completely different airframe and engine. I might suggest that your "friend" fly the numbers and not end up on final ridiculously fast, which most people do. Then, they float down the runway in ground effect and touch down and try to get stopped in the last quarter of the runway, which is fun to watch, but kind of hard on the brakes and tires, IMHO.

PPS When I say "fly the numbers", I mean the whole approach, not just on short final. If your "friend" blows into the circuit at over 200 mph with the gear up, throttle all the way back, and the cylinder head temps below the green, well, the landing may not work out too well, either.

[carrera997]

Try this link, with acknowledgement to Trey Hughes:

http://www.mooneypilots.com/mapalog/M20 ... _eval.html

You'll find what you're looking for down towards the bottom.

[one8tee]

carrera997- thanks for the post.. the article did mention the flaps sped but talked about the white arc as reference for approach flaps.. normally isnt the white arc reserved for past approach flap selection?

also the article talks about putting the gear down before approach flaps.. seems a bit abnormal but I havent flown a GA aircraft in a few years..

anyone able to shed any light on the above? thanks in advance.

[Strega]

If you havent flown a GA aircraft in "years" perhaps you should not be helping your friend?

[one8tee]

OK Strega.. thanks for the helpfull post.

[carrera997]

Max. gear down speed = VLE = 140 kias
Max. speed for first notch of flaps = VFE = 106 kias ... might be 110 kias, whatever the white arc is showing

You definitely need to put the gear down to slow up entering the pattern as well as to get slow enough to drop flaps.

I can't recall if the POH states a slightly slower speed for the second notch of flaps (ie., full flaps). I can check the POH in the next day or two and advise.

[RVgrin]

If you haven't flown a GA aircraft in "years" perhaps you should not be helping your friend?

Wrong.

From the TC AIM:

"Although no type rating is required when you transition to a different single-engine, non high-performance aircraft, Transport Canada strongly recommends you either:

1) Study the POH and seek appropriate transition training from a qualified pilot experienced on type.

OR

2) Consult an inexperienced friend provided said friend obtains all critical speeds and aircraft limitations from an anonymous Internet Bulletin Board such as AVCANADA."

[Hedley]

From the review article:

75 KIAS on short final

ok, convert 75K to mph: 75 * 1.15 = 86 mph

from my original wild-ass guess above:

Shoot from the hip (tm): 85 mph

I was ONE mph off - without even opening the POH

PS I know this is a wild and crazy idea, but why not have your
"friend" get some dual time from an instructor with Mooney time?

They really aren't that hard to fly. Honest.

[one8tee]

Hillarious Idea: Stop jumping on everyone who comes on avcanada to ask a question. I have a bit of experience in the industy and am used to how immature some of you can be.. Can you imagine being new to the indusry, asking a real honest question and having those of you who are suppsed to be professionals beat up on them on some annonymous forum? Grow Up.

For those who actually took the time to answer my question (weird idea) thanks. Your time is appreciated.

Thirdly, I'm sure he has an instructor out east. I'm out west. Just trying to help him out. and believe it or not instructors don't know everything. Not to mention I'm not coming on here asking how to pass a PPC on the space shuttle.. im asking one speed that would be easily found in any M20M POH.

180

[Cat Driver]

im asking one speed that would be easily found in any M20M POH.

[ktcanuck]

180, there's one thing you can always rely on AvCanada for and that is to allow those that need it to vent their pent-up pompous arrogance.

[canwhitewolf]

this any help? fs9

[RVgrin]

[ beep beep .... pent-up pompous arrogance alert .... pent-up pompous arrogance alert ]

one8tee:

I am glad you got the answer to your question. If I had had the appropriate POH handy yesterday you would have gotten it from me.

If you don't appreciate advice beyond that, sorry, but some of us feel a broader responsibility to point out general safe practices when questionable ones are alluded to. It is precisely because many new (and soon-to-be-new) pilots frequent AVCANADA that this is important.

As for the manner in which this advice was given, well, you make a valid point. But as you mentioned, this is an anonymous forum, and as such, one would be unwise to take anything personally. Lighten up.

Sarcasm and wit make dry material more readable and (quite frankly) is a hell of a lot more fun to write.

Like ths post, for example. I am just messing with you. Fly Safe. Be happy.

[Cat Driver]

180, there's one thing you can always rely on AvCanada for and that is to allow those that need it to vent their pent-up pompous arrogance.

Then again this is an aviation forum and as such there should be an awareness that when operating aircraft it is the duty of a pilot to assure that any information regarding how to operate a given aircraft must be taken from the AFM POH.

If pointing out that simple fact is arrogance please explain why?

[one8tee]

Im sorry.. where was it ever written that I was operating said aircraft? The Aircraft is based over 3000 miles away and I was simply trying to help him come up with some profiles that he could try out. "your duty as a pilot is to come on avcanada and berate people asking questions?" In the name of safety?? Give me a break..

[Cat Driver]

No need to feel that way one8tee, all you need to do is reflect on the fact that many new pilots read this forum and may think that it is an accepted practice to ask questions regarding operating limits on an anonymous forum.

Then do just that and fly an airplane based on what they read here.

[ktcanuck]

I rest my case.

[canwhitewolf]

Hey Everyone.. am trying to help a friend of mine out who bought a Mooney Bravo. Anyone know what the flap (approach) speed is? I obiously don't have access to a POH..

thanks,

180

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obviously it would be best with the operating manual and this from flight simulator 9 shouldnt be relied on but for interests sake only here....

[Bushav8er]

I'm curious -

(friend)...who bought a Mooney Bravo

If he bought it, doesn't he have the POH and can look that up for you or himself? And if not (no POH) why not?

[Hedley]

You just can't buy entertainment like this.

[Cat Driver]

180, there's one thing you can always rely on AvCanada for and that is to allow those that need it to vent their pent-up pompous arrogance.

Careful there Hedley, you don't want to be in our group and have the world look at you in the above context..