Sean Durfy quit?!

[ivanhoe]

Wow Hotwings, you must be working at WestJet for different reasons than me. CB could be blowing goats at lunchtime for all I care. What the hell difference does it make what his personality is...unless you're TM's bud and holding a grudge. It's not like he has A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to do with a line pilot's job at WJ. Of course my opinion might be biased, as I've grossed 70G's at WJ so far this year...this company ROCKS!!!

Cheers to Sean Durfy and his family. He had my unwavering support and I hope he enjoys his retirement.

WestJet pilots are making $360K per year? [/quote

With the options that are currently "in the money" and a little overtime , 70k is easily possible. JD can tell some tall stories but you can take that number to the bank.

[Legacy]

Believe it or not some have made in excess of 300K working a lot though

[hotwings56]

He would have everything to do with your job if you crossed him, guarenteed. So you've just said you're only here for the money, I never was, it dropped in, thank you, but it was never about the money. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Westjet USED to be a great place to work.

I am never one to suggest someone leave if they don't like where they work, but what makes you so damn jaded? The timing of Durfy leaving is really odd, but I don't believe for a second that he was pushed out the door. If that were the case, he'd be quietly leaving just like Ken McKenzie did. It takes a lot of balls to stand up and do what he did, and I give him a lot of respect for doing that AND going in front of the employees the other day with an open invitation to ask him whatever they want. I'm not sure you'd see that anywhere other than at WestJet.

The thing that makes me jaded? That's not the correct term actually, informed and aware is a better term. I've watched since day one, pretty good seat to have seen everything that has gone on here. I'm not sure how long you've been here and maybe you've never met CB. If you have, he was probably very charming and all that...it hides a very "interesting" person. I don't think this, I know this. This is getting old, the facts play themselves out almost daily and people believe whatever they are spoon fed.

The balls to stand up and do what he did? It takes balls to quit? Dust off your annual report and take a look at what he walks with. We never quit, never let up, and never laid down when we were building this airline, if we had, there would be no Westjet. He, nor anyone else here, had the balls to stand up and right a wrong when a couple of the original guys left. We were promised lifetime passes whenever we left, Westjet screwed them royally. No speculation, no hearsay, I was THERE.

[Biff]

The thing that makes me jaded? That's not the correct term actually, informed and aware is a better term. I've watched since day one, pretty good seat to have seen everything that has gone on here. I'm not sure how long you've been here and maybe you've never met CB. If you have, he was probably very charming and all that...it hides a very "interesting" person. I don't think this, I know this. This is getting old, the facts play themselves out almost daily and people believe whatever they are spoon fed.

The balls to stand up and do what he did? It takes balls to quit? Dust off your annual report and take a look at what he walks with. We never quit, never let up, and never laid down when we were building this airline, if we had, there would be no Westjet. He, nor anyone else here, had the balls to stand up and right a wrong when a couple of the original guys left. We were promised lifetime passes whenever we left, Westjet screwed them royally. No speculation, no hearsay, I was THERE.

Seriously man, you have to get over it!!!

Buddy passes are worth, what... a couple of grand a year? If you were there, then the amount of money you should have made from being at Westjet from day 1 should enable you to take as many flights as you want for as long as you want, and hardly make a dent in it. You can bitch all you want, but if you really thought it that important you should have gotten it in writing.

[hotwings56]

The thing that makes me jaded? That's not the correct term actually, informed and aware is a better term. I've watched since day one, pretty good seat to have seen everything that has gone on here. I'm not sure how long you've been here and maybe you've never met CB. If you have, he was probably very charming and all that...it hides a very "interesting" person. I don't think this, I know this. This is getting old, the facts play themselves out almost daily and people believe whatever they are spoon fed.

The balls to stand up and do what he did? It takes balls to quit? Dust off your annual report and take a look at what he walks with. We never quit, never let up, and never laid down when we were building this airline, if we had, there would be no Westjet. He, nor anyone else here, had the balls to stand up and right a wrong when a couple of the original guys left. We were promised lifetime passes whenever we left, Westjet screwed them royally. No speculation, no hearsay, I was THERE.

Seriously man, you have to get over it!!!

Buddy passes are worth, what... a couple of grand a year? If you were there, then the amount of money you should have made from being at Westjet from day 1 should enable you to take as many flights as you want for as long as you want, and hardly make a dent in it. You can bitch all you want, but if you really thought it that important you should have gotten it in writing.

You have totally missed the point, a promise was made and a promise was broken. In the past we could take management at their word, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET IT IN WRITING, we could trust them. If wou don't mind working for people that you can't trust you are a different cat than me. Take your money, and if/when something happens and you are treated like the employee number you have become, I promise I won't even say I told you so.

[Red1]

A man who is pushed out, generally doesn't hang around the company for a few months to help the guy who just got his job. This suggests it was Sean's choice not the other way around.

[hotwings56]

A man who is pushed out, generally doesn't hang around the company for a few months to help the guy who just got his job. This suggests it was Sean's choice not the other way around.

I don't think there will be too many Durfy sightings after Apr 1. I'm even willing to admit that I could be completely off base here, it just looks like all the rest. I'll keep my eye out for him, keep me posted if you see him around.

[double-j]

A man who is pushed out, generally doesn't hang around the company for a few months to help the guy who just got his job. This suggests it was Sean's choice not the other way around.

I don't think there will be too many Durfy sightings after Apr 1. I'm even willing to admit that I could be completely off base here, it just looks like all the rest. I'll keep my eye out for him, keep me posted if you see him around.

I thought you worked for enerjet??

[hotwings56]

A man who is pushed out, generally doesn't hang around the company for a few months to help the guy who just got his job. This suggests it was Sean's choice not the other way around.

I don't think there will be too many Durfy sightings after Apr 1. I'm even willing to admit that I could be completely off base here, it just looks like all the rest. I'll keep my eye out for him, keep me posted if you see him around.

I thought you worked for enerjet??

Must have me confused with someone else? Wishing them the best, maybe someday though...

[double-j]

Then why did you say that you do?

Just got the bad news today about Rick, a shock, noone here knew of a problem. I'd like to extend condolences from all of us here at Enerjet that knew Rick well and had the privilege to fly with him over the years, he will be sorely missed for sure.

I call BULLS**T!


jj

[hotwings56]

Then why did you say that you do?

Just got the bad news today about Rick, a shock, noone here knew of a problem. I'd like to extend condolences from all of us here at Enerjet that knew Rick well and had the privilege to fly with him over the years, he will be sorely missed for sure.

I call BULLS**T!


jj

I seeeee...I posted on behalf of the guys at Enerjet, pretty tight with the old guard there. It was a direct quote from an email I was sent when I talked to them about Rick...wouldn't mind being there, just not yet.....

[Rotten Apple #1]

HotWings. We're a big corp now. No way to change that. It probably is disappointing to you, but we'll never ever be that small time outfit ever again. You must deal with that fact as you see fit. Your choice of course.

Now, I'll talk to you in the tone I use when I talk to the more "senior" (used real loosely, because length of service doesn't count for much here, more or less thankfully) FAs who display a less than proper WJ attitude. One of those FAs made a comment to me several months ago that "...we were the ones that built this company...blah blah blah...". I didn't have a ready comment for her at that time. I do now.

Every person who comes to work at WJ (including those on their very first day of employment) is building WestJet. Bar NONE. Period. To those SENIOR (In their minds) employees who think that newer employees should work their first two Christmases, or should have lesser priority in Vacation bidding, they need to move on. They have now reached the point where they feel their input is greater than the employee who is on DAY ONE of their employment. In my opinion, (join in if you feel the same) those employees are off base. We ALL build this company, one working day at a time. When that changes, WestJet will have 'jumped the shark'.

[jjj]

Localizer,

The topic of WS pay has been flogged at nauseum(sp?) on this site. Get over it bro if you just don't want to believe we can make some ok cashola over here for those that are motivated. The overtime is lucrative and generous and easy to score as we don't have the same overtime fences that some of our competitors do or that were in our previous agreement. We don't have a reserve pool. It's more efficient for the company and cheeper to offer handsome compensation when it's needed rather than wasting a reserve pool to cover all operational shortcomings.

The stock is down from a year ago or so but its high enough for the current set of options to be of value.

If that's not good enough for you Localizer I'd be happy to provide corroborating documentation. PM me your T4 and I'll show you mine.

As far as the recession is concerned - we have weathered the storm in the top 5 in North America - the next profit sharing party is in May.

Later.

JJJ

[hotwings56]

HotWings. We're a big corp now. No way to change that. It probably is disappointing to you, but we'll never ever be that small time outfit ever again. You must deal with that fact as you see fit. Your choice of course.

Now, I'll talk to you in the tone I use when I talk to the more "senior" (used real loosely, because length of service doesn't count for much here, more or less thankfully) FAs who display a less than proper WJ attitude. One of those FAs made a comment to me several months ago that "...we were the ones that built this company...blah blah blah...". I didn't have a ready comment for her at that time. I do now.

Every person who comes to work at WJ (including those on their very first day of employment) is building WestJet. Bar NONE. Period. To those SENIOR (In their minds) employees who think that newer employees should work their first two Christmases, or should have lesser priority in Vacation bidding, they need to move on. They have now reached the point where they feel their input is greater than the employee who is on DAY ONE of their employment. In my opinion, (join in if you feel the same) those employees are off base. We ALL build this company, one working day at a time. When that changes, WestJet will have 'jumped the shark'.

Check your pm JD, you crack me up.

[hella_bright]

Wow, this thread was heavily edited since the last time I checked in! What gives? Too many WJ state secrets revealed?! lol... BTW nice place you have out in Kelowna JD. Gotta love that Google Street View... only I thought you would have had some fancy land rover or BMW sitting in the driveway with the kind of money you're pulling in!

[FICU]

I wonder how far his pay stub has traveled in cyberspace.

[acidgambit]

Gregg?? Correct me if i'm wrong. Is he an ex canadian guy?? Cause his name sounds familiar.....

[Localizer]

Localizer,

The topic of WS pay has been flogged at nauseum(sp?) on this site. Get over it bro if you just don't want to believe we can make some ok cashola over here for those that are motivated. The overtime is lucrative and generous and easy to score as we don't have the same overtime fences that some of our competitors do or that were in our previous agreement. We don't have a reserve pool. It's more efficient for the company and cheeper to offer handsome compensation when it's needed rather than wasting a reserve pool to cover all operational shortcomings.

The stock is down from a year ago or so but its high enough for the current set of options to be of value.

If that's not good enough for you Localizer I'd be happy to provide corroborating documentation. PM me your T4 and I'll show you mine.

As far as the recession is concerned - we have weathered the storm in the top 5 in North America - the next profit sharing party is in May.

Later.

JJJ

Listen "bro" ... I'm not doubting that you can make good "cashola" if you put in a little O.T ... But I can't sit back and agree that a WJ pilot can pull in $360K (stock aside) .. not without maybe breaking a couple of CARS .. But .. doesn't matter .. we'll agree to disagree. Later "bro"!

P.S .. I noticed you didn't comment about the debt that's been accumulated.

[True North]

I missed something. What debt is that?

[yycflyguy]

When do your overtime rates kick in? Is it time and a half or double time?

The straight math of $360k divided by 1200 hours in a year yields $300 per hour or for our AC friends that get paid by the minute $5/min (what's the O/T factor?)... damn JJJ you are buying the beers from now til forever!

[ivanhoe]

When do your overtime rates kick in? Is it time and a half or double time?

The straight math of $360k divided by 1200 hours in a year yields $300 per hour or for our AC friends that get paid by the minute $5/min (what's the O/T factor?)... damn JJJ you are buying the beers from now til forever!

OT is 1.5 straight time.

I don't know where the 360k figure came from but it is highly unlikely. A little over 300k has been done.

[yycflyguy]

When do your overtime rates kick in? Is it time and a half or double time?

The straight math of $360k divided by 1200 hours in a year yields $300 per hour or for our AC friends that get paid by the minute $5/min (what's the O/T factor?)... damn JJJ you are buying the beers from now til forever!

OT is 1.5 straight time.

I don't know where the 360k figure came from but it is highly unlikely. A little over 300k has been done.

Ok, 1.5 is O/T rate... when does that kick in? Over 80 hours?

[ivanhoe]

When do your overtime rates kick in? Is it time and a half or double time?

The straight math of $360k divided by 1200 hours in a year yields $300 per hour or for our AC friends that get paid by the minute $5/min (what's the O/T factor?)... damn JJJ you are buying the beers from now til forever!

OT is 1.5 straight time.

I don't know where the 360k figure came from but it is highly unlikely. A little over 300k has been done.

Ok, 1.5 is O/T rate... when does that kick in? Over 80 hours?

OT starts after 77.5 hrs.

Double time for any draft. I have never heard of anyone actually being drafted but that isn't to say its never happened.

[FICU]

What I have heard is that they sell their scheduled block flying at the straight time rate and then pick up OT shifts on scheduled days off or something along those lines.

[ivanhoe]

What I have heard is that they sell their scheduled block flying at the straight time rate and then pick up OT shifts on scheduled days off or something along those lines.

Well...something like that.

We have an online system called FLICA that lets us basically fly as much or as little as one wants and be paid accordingly. You can pick up or drop as little as one leg or a whole month of flying. It is extremely flexible and makes the lives of WestJet pilots and F/A's immeasurably better and it was pretty damn good before Flica.

There are many ways to use the system to tailor one's sked and pay to one's requirements. It is a fantastic system.