What would be the maximum monthly number of nights at home..

[M. Essaie]

... that you could reasonably achieve, assuming that was your rostering priority?

Would attempting to "port" impact that number severely?

Thank-you

M.

[KAG]

Hi M. Essaie
When you bid you have options for bidding both port and non-port attributes.
If you want to sleep in your own bed, just bid for overnights in your port outside your Port bid. IE, I live in YYZ and could get almost all my overnights in YYZ if I wanted to (these are YYC pairings). I did it before and got all but a couple YYZ overnights, it was red eye flying mind you but I don't mind that. Some destinations have few pairings that overnight there so your chances are reduced. We also have a number of single day Port pairings you can bid for, YYZ for example as a lot of single days.

[Clint23]

Right now I live in YEG and spend 2-3 nights per month away from home....the rest are on overnights or not working nights...pretty good for an airline gig! So anywhere from 25 to 29 nights per month at home. Now some of those are 10-11 hrs on the ground, but others are as long as 27 hrs, depends on the sked, but I estimate the average is about 15 to 16 hr layovers.

If I was porting that number would go down quite a bit, as you start and stop your pairings from home. If they are more than single day pairings, you start spending nights away from home again.

Cheers

[highlander]

I normally bid 4 day YYC pairings with YWG overnights. Normally I get at least one overnight in YWG during the pairing the odd time 2. So I normally spend 2 nights somewhere else.

The port flying in YWG is minimal. Last year we had some 5 days but this year mostly 1 and 2 and sometimes 3 days. The overnights on the 2 days and up, will not be in YWG.

Plus days off 14 to 15.

[balfour]

If you want to be one of the ELITE in the airline industry,
the one that will carry the best in the Canadi>n idustry.

Do you want to be one of the few, the very few, that is WESTJET?

The list of the alternates is in Vista's ladie's room in YYZ


the few.....

the chosen........

WESTJET






is it in you?

[Jastapilot]

[mbav8r]

Question, how do single day pairings qualify as "Port"? To me if you check in, in YYZ and check out the same day in YYZ, how is this not a base? I would think this was not the intent of Transport allowing the "Port" system at WJ circumventing the requirments of having Managment and admin staff at all bases. I think this may be an abuse of the loop hole and wonder if you might lose your port privledge down the road. Just thinking out load

[KAG]

I don't see how starting and finishing in YYZ is any different a typical multi day of any pairing in terms of how the opperation runs.
We do have managers and admin staff in YYZ, we just don't have any pilot managers on hand - Nothing that a quick phone call can't fix.
Call it a port, virtual base, base, I don't care as long as it works.

[Kitababy]

If you want to be one of the ELITE in the airline industry,
the one that will carry the best in the Canadi>n idustry.

Do you want to be one of the few, the very few, that is WESTJET?

The list of the alternates is in Vista's ladie's room in YYZ


the few.....

the chosen........

WESTJET






is it in you?

???? ellaborate please????

[twinpratts]

I live in YYC, and bid single day pairings. It varies from month to month, but I average 5 nights on the road/ month.
However, that being said, Sept, Oct and Nov of last year I had no overnights in that 3 month period.

[mbav8r]

I suppose the difference is, if any airline could just operate any base without having Pilot and F/A managers, perhaps Jazz wouldn't have closed all those bases. Maybe if they had a loop hole they could have kept pilots at those bases but eliminated the managerial positions and saved a ton of money on hotel cost by having the pilots who live there keep flying out of there. Instead, take YEG for example, guys are commuting to YYC to check in for a multi day pairing that hopefully overnights in YEG.
Can you spot the difference?
I would love to show up to work with nothing more that a flight bag, but thats not an option for me. I suppose I'm just a little jealous.

[balfour]

If you want to be one of the ELITE in the airline industry,
the one that will carry the best in the Canadi>n idustry.

Do you want to be one of the few, the very few, that is WESTJET?

The list of the alternates is in Vista's ladie's room in YYZ


the few.....

the chosen........

WESTJET






is it in you?

???? ellaborate please????

can't. Im sober now.

[Red1]

got to remember mbav8r that you are not guaranteed any flying out of your port, that's the big difference. You are on your own dime to get to and from YYC for any parings that does not start out of your port. The number of port paring you get will depend on the port and how well you bid. Many people don't bid port flying, and instead bid overnights in their home city. However, they still have to show up in YYC on day one of their paring.

[mbav8r]

I get that as a commuter myself, my point was simply how can you call it port if you show up for work anywhere other the YYC(the only "Base" you have) and you finish the same day at the same locale, ie; single day pairing. Thats not the original intent of port. If you are able to bid and recieve single day pairings out of your "port" then thats a base, doesn't matter what name you give it. "If it quacks like a duck"

[KAG]

"If it quacks like a duck"

Then I'm going to eat it...

[stickontheice]

It’s not that it’s a big secret. Transport knows about it so why doesn't Jazz, AC or even Porter just copy the "Port" model? I was just discussing this very issue the other day and with all the technology out there now why can't there be virtual bases? Video conferencing, smart phones, laptops with HD webcams, and etc. you'd think you could almost set a base up anywhere with limited personnel.

[aviator2010]

mbav8r wrote:
"If it quacks like a duck"

Then I'm going to eat it...

Mud duck sucks

[Bede]

It’s not that it’s a big secret. Transport knows about it so why doesn't Jazz, AC or even Porter just copy the "Port" model? I was just discussing this very issue the other day and with all the technology out there now why can't there be virtual bases? Video conferencing, smart phones, laptops with HD webcams, and etc. you'd think you could almost set a base up anywhere with limited personnel.

Because that would take some effort, and WJ is the only airline that actually wants to put an effort into anything employee related (can't talk for Porter).