Ornge

[impress]

impress, why are you so bitter? Jealous about a successful startup carrier?

Well, bitter yes, jealous, not really. I'll lay it out for you. If you put your all into a company, built it from the ground up, had a good track record, then had a competitor come along who had done the same only better than you, it would be easy to accept. But to have the giver of the contract come along, blackmail you into handing over all of your trade secrets, use your tax dollars to acquire equipment, then arbitrarily give themselves your contracts and threaten your reputable business, that's not so easy to accept.

Some of you can try a jump on the ornge wave, im sure it will be a fun ride. But the God's honest truth is that it is an organization built on lies, deceit, and business done in Bad Faith. Those founding it have put some positive spin on the deal, but if you a aligning yourself with ornge you should all know of the unfair conflicts of interest this organization is starting off on.

So to call it a startup carrier is not fair as they are not even in the same ballpark as us industry carriers. Nobody has put their ass on the line, and if the screw up, oh well they can just go back to the Govt and get more $$.

bitter? yes justified? i think so. Jealous? don't think so, i can sleep at night knowing that I have practiced good business morals and have been fair to all partners and competitors!

[Cat Driver]

To Doc and Cat Driver and all the others who have made an internet career of bashing Ornge, obviously you're never going to jump on board with them, why the @#$! do you keep posting about them? Really? Do you have nothing better to do? It might be time to get a life.

What is wrong with asking who ends up paying and how much?

My reason for asking and wondering about this subject is I actually do have a life now that I am retired and I want to make sure the governments in Canada don't blow all the money the taxpayers fork out because I want the pittance that I am given after a life time of paying into the running of this country.

If you have a problem with that " thinking " so be it.

[HORUNNER]

I've been doing air ambulance as a medic for a little over 10 years, part of it in the SOA world, and part of it in the CHL/Voyageur/Ornge world. I have to say, the SOA world is shitty, dirty, poorly laid out aircraft, on call crews who are often flying without appropriate rest, always trying to squeeze the nickel until the beaver shits. The "Dedicated" side of CHL and formerly Voyageur (who were great) ensured that their aircraft were well maintained and set up for the job, the crews only do shifts giving them the opportunity to have adequate rest (sure, we all know "Bob" always plays hockey when he should be sleeping, but for the most part...), CHL sends their pilots to FSI every year for recurrent training, oh, and they are generally well paid, hopefully attracting people who will stay. I can't wait to be rid of the mish-mash of aircraft and providers in the SOA world, which we have to fly on fairly regularly, and have on standardized fixed wing system across the province. To those that bitch about the PC12, you may be right, it may not be your ideal aircraft being single engine and all, however it is already doing the bulk of SOA air ambulance operations across the province, for Bravo and others, and has been for years. If you don't like it, that's great, you don't have to fly it, you obviously have lots of options for employment elsewhere. To Doc and Cat Driver and all the others who have made an internet career of bashing Ornge, obviously you're never going to jump on board with them, why the @#$! do you keep posting about them? Really? Do you have nothing better to do? It might be time to get a life.

Yeah What He Said!!!!!

[Doc]

impress, why are you so bitter? Jealous about a successful startup carrier?

A monkey can run a "successful" start up carrier, given 260 million dollars of tax payer's money.

[2R]

Mods kick this thread to the political forum so we can use some adult language to descibe to those who have never voted in their life how to hold the politicians accountable for their actions or lack of actions.

[Cat Driver]

Good idea...move it where it belongs.

[AnotherFlyOnTheWall]

Well Said Impress.

Can you imagine if any of us won the Super Max, went out a bought a PC-12, hired some medics, and then went to the Ontario Government with a brand new operating certificate, no experience operating medevac aircraft, no financial track record and told them that we wanted an exclusive dedicated contract for providing air ambulance services to NW Ontario? What do you think the answer would be?

And to Horunner: I didn't start the political posturing on this thread; the Ornge shill did: So, rebut what I said or go pound salt!!

AFOTW

[HORUNNER]

Well Said Impress.

Can you imagine if any of us won the Super Max, went out a bought a PC-12, hired some medics, and then went to the Ontario Government with a brand new operating certificate, no experience operating medevac aircraft, no financial track record and told them that we wanted an exclusive dedicated contract for providing air ambulance services to NW Ontario? What do you think the answer would be?

And to Horunner: I didn't start the political posturing on this thread; the Ornge shill did: So, rebut what I said or go pound salt!!

AFOTW

WAH WAH WAH STOP YOUR CRYING, you still found it necessary to forge a new identity only for this thread and then spew shit no one cares about. I know its not only you spewing ! ! ! Their are many cranky Bastagers here.

Again just move this thread from the employment section.

[Randleman]

Agreed, this thread does not belong in the employment section. It has turned into an "ORNGE sucks!!" "shut the heck up!" thread. This discussion has 0 to do with employment, and should go elsewhere.

[woneill_ornge]

He's IN politics! Can't even say...."we have 3 pilots over the age of 40....." without getting all PC about it. Total BS.

You’re being unreasonable, Doc – there will always be things I have a responsibility to not disclose, but I’ll always do my best to tell you why, and in this case you were also told by others that what you had heard was not true.

I’m sorry about your colleague, but his being over 40 had no bearing on why he was not selected for an interview at Ornge.

I find it interesting that the Coroner is allegedly involved. Will, can you tell me the last time a SOA carrier had a fatal accident involving ORNGE personnel or patients

The point, ultimately, is that an examination of these documents, as well as a consideration of the highly credible authorities behind them, and the actions that the government then undertook to foster the creation of Ornge as a result, indicates that there was a very strong consensus that the “Excellent Patient Care” within the “great Air Ambulance system” that Impress was referring to did not exist as such, though I do want to make clear that these reports pointed to systemic, organizational issues – a lot of excellent staff from the old system continues their work under Ornge today.

And regarding the Coroner’s report: As I said, I’m referring to events that led to the formation of Ornge, and hence took place prior to its existence. In this case, I’m citing the 2001 McCorkindale Coroner’s Inquest, which recommended that the existing Air Ambulance Program be reviewed, and stated that ‘There certainly was no agreement that the air ambulance program was useful or effective.’

Other concerns with the system as it existed at the time were raised in the Donner Report (1994), the Kaneshakumar Inquest (1999), the Commission on Accreditation of Medical Transport Systems Audit (2002), and then the 2002 and 2005 Auditor General Reports. All of these were influential in the creation of Ornge.

It would be more than a little cumbersome to get into the minutiae of all of these documents in this forum, and I’m not going to do it, but they should be available through their respective agencies if you are interested.

With regards to your other inquiry, I hope you’ll understand that I’m not in a position to discuss relationships between Ornge and SOA carriers on this forum in any regard whatsoever.

Have they ran out of blank cheques yet ?
Anyone can pretend to run a business when you use blank cheques.I suppose that is what is meant by non-profit.
The shareholders will expect a return eventually and that is when the brown stuff will hit the rotating aerofoil.
Can i buy a vow_l ?

Ornge does not have shareholders – we are a non-profit, charitable organization. An important contrast between Ornge and the prior system, in fact, is that we seek to reinvest our gains back into Ornge itself, for the betterment of our services. The only ‘return’ we are creating is an innovative, world-class transport medicine system for the benefit of Ontarians, and we are delivering it.

Its just like STARs. Theres STARs society that is non profit and they do fundraising and go to all the communities and blow smoke up their arse about how they need to support them so the community can have coverage. Then there's all the other companies there that have actual contracts with the Alberta government to fly medevacs.

I can’t speak to the specifics on how STARS is structured, Turbo-Prop, but Ornge has a performance agreement with the government of Ontario for the provision of medical transport services – that is a contract. Ornge is responsible for handling services via a direct relationship with the province; we don’t offer specific areas any kind of specialized ‘coverage’, and we work everywhere in Ontario, with our priorities aligned by medical need in real time.

I have heard from some of Ornge's pilots over a few beers, that they do a lot of non critical calls. Are they not just a critical care carrier?

We are not just a critical care carrier - Ornge is tasked to handle primary, advanced and critical care in flight, depending on what is medically necessary. We also operate a critical care land ambulance program.

Hey Shill, a few questions...

Well, bitter yes, jealous, not really...

What is wrong with asking who ends up paying and how much?

In addition to the fact that it goes without saying that I certainly wouldn’t be in a position to start posting contracts and financial information on the AVCanada message board, I’d like to make a proposal to you that I hope will keep us from going in circles that others on this board are neither interested in and, based on some of these posts, pretty sick of.

I think what some of you don’t share with Ornge, really, is perspective. Is our vision of transport medicine in the province of Ontario less Spartan than yours? Almost certainly. But what you regard as fruitless, we regard as excellence, and the foundation of an approach that we hope will one day be the model for transport medicine systems around the world. Your ideal of opulence is our idea of a standard: A demanding one, for certain, but also one that befits the quality of our people and the importance of the work that we do.

What you see only as unnecessary expense in the present, we see as an investment in something that is absolutely necessary not only for the present, but even more so for the future.

What you see as regional or governmental interference in your personal enterprises, we see as consolidating and centralizing for the ultimate benefit of all Ontarians, creating greater efficiency in a health care system that should be protected to operate in as public a spirit as possible, especially in terms of assets – airplanes and helicopters, for example – that are both very costly and relatively scarce.

What you see from an aviation and/or taxpayer savings perspective, we see from the perspective of physicians, paramedics, aviators, educators, researchers, businesspeople, and every other specialized group of people whose expertise combines to form a true transport medicine system – one that is responsible for doing what they are qualified to affirm should be done. More than anything, this is probably at the root of why we see things as differently as we do.

So, ultimately, it is pointless for us to go back and forth like this – some of you simply think transport medicine should aspire to be something that we do not think it should aspire to be, and this forum is simply not a place where a discourse about that is possible regardless, given the limitations and confidentialities I have to observe as well as your total, unaccountable anonymity.

As time goes on, I hope that you’ll become more open-minded about the bigger picture of our ambitions, and understand that what we are doing is trying to create something that could very genuinely mean the difference between saving life and losing it. All of our initiatives, no matter how broadly strategic or immediately irrelevant you may perceive them to be, are ultimately centered upon excellence in patient care, because a system that preserves life, above anything else that has been discussed here, is what people will really hold us accountable for, and rightfully so.

I hope that, with civility, we can concur that this difference in perspective is what has put us at an impasse that can’t really be argued. I think the perspective of people who prefer a less comprehensive and ambitious system is actually very well understood at Ornge – it just isn’t shared. Conversely, maybe you can say the same?

Apologies to everyone on the AVCanada forums who were frustrated with the turn this thread took.

[Cat Driver]

given the limitations and confidentialities I have to observe as well as your total, unaccountable anonymity.

Well then I guess I can ask a few more questions as I do not post under anonymity and I have a little bit of insight into the business of operating airplanes.

So here are two questions.

What exactly were the short comings of the service that was being performed through the tender system with private enterprise, and how are you going to do it better?

How much more per patient movement from A to B will it cost the taxpayer under Ornge than it cost under tendered contracts?

[2R]

Speaking of unaccountable anonymity,WHO was it that allocated all these government funds to this Quango ?
Anyone we know or voted for or anyone that is accountable to the electorate for this spending spree?
24 billion dollar deficit and they are still spending your childrens future like drunken sailors.

[Doc]

He's IN politics! Can't even say...."we have 3 pilots over the age of 40....." without getting all PC about it. Total BS.

You’re being unreasonable, Doc – there will always be things I have a responsibility to not disclose, but I’ll always do my best to tell you why, and in this case you were also told by others that what you had heard was not true.

I’m sorry about your colleague, but his being over 40 had no bearing on why he was not selected for an interview at Ornge.

I find it interesting that the Coroner is allegedly involved. Will, can you tell me the last time a SOA carrier had a fatal accident involving ORNGE personnel or patients

The point, ultimately, is that an examination of these documents, as well as a consideration of the highly credible authorities behind them, and the actions that the government then undertook to foster the creation of Ornge as a result, indicates that there was a very strong consensus that the “Excellent Patient Care” within the “great Air Ambulance system” that Impress was referring to did not exist as such, though I do want to make clear that these reports pointed to systemic, organizational issues – a lot of excellent staff from the old system continues their work under Ornge today.

And regarding the Coroner’s report: As I said, I’m referring to events that led to the formation of Ornge, and hence took place prior to its existence. In this case, I’m citing the 2001 McCorkindale Coroner’s Inquest, which recommended that the existing Air Ambulance Program be reviewed, and stated that ‘There certainly was no agreement that the air ambulance program was useful or effective.’

Other concerns with the system as it existed at the time were raised in the Donner Report (1994), the Kaneshakumar Inquest (1999), the Commission on Accreditation of Medical Transport Systems Audit (2002), and then the 2002 and 2005 Auditor General Reports. All of these were influential in the creation of Ornge.

It would be more than a little cumbersome to get into the minutiae of all of these documents in this forum, and I’m not going to do it, but they should be available through their respective agencies if you are interested.

With regards to your other inquiry, I hope you’ll understand that I’m not in a position to discuss relationships between Ornge and SOA carriers on this forum in any regard whatsoever.

Have they ran out of blank cheques yet ?
Anyone can pretend to run a business when you use blank cheques.I suppose that is what is meant by non-profit.
The shareholders will expect a return eventually and that is when the brown stuff will hit the rotating aerofoil.
Can i buy a vow_l ?

Ornge does not have shareholders – we are a non-profit, charitable organization. An important contrast between Ornge and the prior system, in fact, is that we seek to reinvest our gains back into Ornge itself, for the betterment of our services. The only ‘return’ we are creating is an innovative, world-class transport medicine system for the benefit of Ontarians, and we are delivering it.

Its just like STARs. Theres STARs society that is non profit and they do fundraising and go to all the communities and blow smoke up their arse about how they need to support them so the community can have coverage. Then there's all the other companies there that have actual contracts with the Alberta government to fly medevacs.

I can’t speak to the specifics on how STARS is structured, Turbo-Prop, but Ornge has a performance agreement with the government of Ontario for the provision of medical transport services – that is a contract. Ornge is responsible for handling services via a direct relationship with the province; we don’t offer specific areas any kind of specialized ‘coverage’, and we work everywhere in Ontario, with our priorities aligned by medical need in real time.

I have heard from some of Ornge's pilots over a few beers, that they do a lot of non critical calls. Are they not just a critical care carrier?

We are not just a critical care carrier - Ornge is tasked to handle primary, advanced and critical care in flight, depending on what is medically necessary. We also operate a critical care land ambulance program.

Hey Shill, a few questions...

Well, bitter yes, jealous, not really...

What is wrong with asking who ends up paying and how much?

In addition to the fact that it goes without saying that I certainly wouldn’t be in a position to start posting contracts and financial information on the AVCanada message board, I’d like to make a proposal to you that I hope will keep us from going in circles that others on this board are neither interested in and, based on some of these posts, pretty sick of.

I think what some of you don’t share with Ornge, really, is perspective. Is our vision of transport medicine in the province of Ontario less Spartan than yours? Almost certainly. But what you regard as fruitless, we regard as excellence, and the foundation of an approach that we hope will one day be the model for transport medicine systems around the world. Your ideal of opulence is our idea of a standard: A demanding one, for certain, but also one that befits the quality of our people and the importance of the work that we do.

What you see only as unnecessary expense in the present, we see as an investment in something that is absolutely necessary not only for the present, but even more so for the future.

What you see as regional or governmental interference in your personal enterprises, we see as consolidating and centralizing for the ultimate benefit of all Ontarians, creating greater efficiency in a health care system that should be protected to operate in as public a spirit as possible, especially in terms of assets – airplanes and helicopters, for example – that are both very costly and relatively scarce.

What you see from an aviation and/or taxpayer savings perspective, we see from the perspective of physicians, paramedics, aviators, educators, researchers, businesspeople, and every other specialized group of people whose expertise combines to form a true transport medicine system – one that is responsible for doing what they are qualified to affirm should be done. More than anything, this is probably at the root of why we see things as differently as we do.

So, ultimately, it is pointless for us to go back and forth like this – some of you simply think transport medicine should aspire to be something that we do not think it should aspire to be, and this forum is simply not a place where a discourse about that is possible regardless, given the limitations and confidentialities I have to observe as well as your total, unaccountable anonymity.

As time goes on, I hope that you’ll become more open-minded about the bigger picture of our ambitions, and understand that what we are doing is trying to create something that could very genuinely mean the difference between saving life and losing it. All of our initiatives, no matter how broadly strategic or immediately irrelevant you may perceive them to be, are ultimately centered upon excellence in patient care, because a system that preserves life, above anything else that has been discussed here, is what people will really hold us accountable for, and rightfully so.

I hope that, with civility, we can concur that this difference in perspective is what has put us at an impasse that can’t really be argued. I think the perspective of people who prefer a less comprehensive and ambitious system is actually very well understood at Ornge – it just isn’t shared. Conversely, maybe you can say the same?

Apologies to everyone on the AVCanada forums who were frustrated with the turn this thread took.

That was so long winded, I just had to quote it. I didn't take the time to read the whole thing....had to wash my hair, don't ya know?

[AnotherFlyOnTheWall]

One medic to another, oops, 'nother:

Why is there no A in ORNGE?

Because A stands for Accountability and Ornge has none!!

[2R]

Have you seen the deal the pilots have got .
Wow, what a great deal !
Very few companies pay pilots a wage that lets their family live in dignity never mind buying whatever groceries you want .
I doubt that they will be a stepping stone company with that kind of pay and schedule.
I just hope that they can afford to pay for maintenance after paying pilots

[woneill_ornge]

Well then I guess I can ask a few more questions as I do not post under anonymity and I have a little bit of insight into the business of operating airplanes.

I’m happy to answer as much as I can, ., but although I appreciate your experience and seniority in the AVCanada community, I still have boundaries that I hope you can respect.

What exactly were the short comings of the service that was being performed through the tender system with private enterprise, and how are you going to do it better?

I think the problem with looking at it strictly in terms of addressing shortcomings is that it makes Ornge seem like we just came along to take over, patch a few holes and otherwise carry on as usual, when the reality is that we are trying to raise the baseline standard and definition of what constitutes this type of service entirely. We want to be doing better things - not just doing the same things better.

I’ve covered a lot of what this means throughout the thread, but I would say that general themes in how we are trying to offer better patient care and greater cost-effectiveness would be found in terms of central coordination, infrastructure, and investment in the sustainability and efficiency of the system as a whole.

How much more per patient movement from A to B will it cost the taxpayer under Ornge than it cost under tendered contracts?

I can’t provide specific numbers for this comparison – it would involve too much speculation about both the future unknown and the actions of others, but I can tell you that ultimately our planning centers around the reality that the sustainability of transport medicine in Ontario depends on it costing less, not more.

Maybe the idea of greater patient care at a lower cost seems counterintuitive, but this is why we are so committed to innovation: To achieve a result like that, you have to be willing to reconsider the fundamentals, and not just the details, of how a system works. By investing in our own fleet, for example, as well as instituting multi-year agreements with SA carriers, we work to contain the cost curve as the demand for service continues to increase, as well as solidify the surety of aircraft availability, which in turn strengthens our ability to deliver transport medicine.

[cdnpilot77]

Well then I guess I can ask a few more questions as I do not post under anonymity and I have a little bit of insight into the business of operating airplanes.

To achieve a result like that, you have to be willing to reconsider the fundamentals, and not just the details, of how a system works.

Clearly demonstrated that this is a roadblock. I love listening to old stories about flying and have a great deal of respect for older more experienced pilots, especially ones that came through where pilotage and airmanship were priority over technology and gadgets. However, with all due respect to those guys, the same drums just keep getting beat and the older guys do not seem to want to accept change, unless it benefits them directly, no matter how big or small.

Cat, however, did have a couple of valid questions there and those kinds of questions are not only warranted but should be our duty as taxpayers to continually ask.

[Sulako]

Well then I guess I can ask a few more questions as I do not post under anonymity and I have a little bit of insight into the business of operating airplanes.

I’m happy to answer as much as I can, ., but although I appreciate your experience and seniority in the AVCanada community, I still have boundaries that I hope you can respect.

What exactly were the short comings of the service that was being performed through the tender system with private enterprise, and how are you going to do it better?

I think the problem with looking at it strictly in terms of addressing shortcomings is that it makes Ornge seem like we just came along to take over, patch a few holes and otherwise carry on as usual, when the reality is that we are trying to raise the baseline standard and definition of what constitutes this type of service entirely. We want to be doing better things - not just doing the same things better.

I’ve covered a lot of what this means throughout the thread, but I would say that general themes in how we are trying to offer better patient care and greater cost-effectiveness would be found in terms of central coordination, infrastructure, and investment in the sustainability and efficiency of the system as a whole.

How much more per patient movement from A to B will it cost the taxpayer under Ornge than it cost under tendered contracts?

I can’t provide specific numbers for this comparison – it would involve too much speculation about both the future unknown and the actions of others, but I can tell you that ultimately our planning centers around the reality that the sustainability of transport medicine in Ontario depends on it costing less, not more.

Maybe the idea of greater patient care at a lower cost seems counterintuitive, but this is why we are so committed to innovation: To achieve a result like that, you have to be willing to reconsider the fundamentals, and not just the details, of how a system works. By investing in our own fleet, for example, as well as instituting multi-year agreements with SA carriers, we work to contain the cost curve as the demand for service continues to increase, as well as solidify the surety of aircraft availability, which in turn strengthens our ability to deliver transport medicine.

Will: I really appreciate your contributions to this post, and for sticking around in the face of a somewhat skeptical audience. Your explanations do make sense to me, at least from a distance.

[Cat Driver]

Thanks for your answers to my questions Will.

Your response was well thought out and you have given me answers which seem to be reasonable.

[Driving Rain]

Looks like they pay pretty good ... if your not a pilot.

Public Sector Salary Disclosure 2010 (Disclosure for 2009) : Other Public Sector Employers

Disclosure for 2009 under the Public Sector Salary Disclosure Act, 1996: Other Public Sector Employers
This category includes all other organizations and corporations not captured in a specific category.


Ornge AUGER PATRICK Critical Care Paramedic $117,067.89 $224.16
Ornge BEAUDOIN MARCIE Critical Care Paramedic $108,612.03 $224.16
Ornge BECHARD MARC Advance Care Paramedic $106,117.73 $181.56
Ornge BENOIT JEAN-FRANCOIS Critical Care Paramedic $117,332.77 $205.15
Ornge BIRD ROBERT Critical Care Paramedic $110,073.91 $224.16
Ornge BRADLEY DONALD Operation Manager $104,925.63 $546.47
Ornge CARSS JEFFREY Regional Operation Manager $116,959.93 $231.48
Ornge CHAD MICHAEL Critical Care Paramedic $106,667.72 $224.16
Ornge CHANNON RICHARD Primary Care Paramedic $104,323.99 $181.56
Ornge CLEMENTS MATTHEW Critical Care Paramedic $102,020.56 $232.68
Ornge COYNE JOHN Operation Manager $101,454.87 $212.04
Ornge DASTI DAVID Critical Care Paramedic Rotational $121,217.13 $232.68
Ornge DAVIS DOUGLAS Communication Officer $101,353.47 $183.89
Ornge DEWAR RAYMOND Critical Care Paramedic $105,625.33 $232.68
Ornge DIAMOND WAYDE Critical Care Paramedic $111,696.36 $232.68
Ornge DONEFF BRANDON Critical Care Paramedic $118,588.60 $232.68
Ornge DUGUAY DAN Critical Care Paramedic $103,148.72 $224.16
Ornge FARQUHAR STEPHEN Vice President, Operations $255,874.72 $398.70
Ornge FAWCETT DENNIS Communication Officer $104,752.94 $183.89
Ornge FLETCHER JEFFREY Advance Care Paramedic $109,131.40 $205.92
Ornge FORGET ROGER Operation Manager $129,844.62 $218.16
Ornge GAGNON KARLA Critical Care Paramedic $115,425.47 $232.68
Ornge GAUTHIER LEE Critical Care Paramedic $103,217.85 $216.89
Ornge GIVEN LINSEY Advance Care Paramedic $107,431.24 $181.56
Ornge GOURLEY JASON Advance Care Paramedic $106,449.36 $181.56
Ornge GRAVELINE ROGER Communication Officer $120,898.60 $174.51
Ornge GROPP ANITA Advance Care Paramedic $103,924.66 $181.56
Ornge HANCHARUK JENNIFER Critical Care Paramedic $111,943.91 $168.12
Ornge HECKER BRUCE Communication Officer $113,575.24 $168.41
Ornge HOLBROOK JOHN Registered Nurse $101,325.42 $224.16
Ornge HUNT ANDREW Critical Care Paramedic $119,580.50 $231.97
Ornge HUVER MARK Critical Care Paramedic $109,701.96 $227.00
Ornge HYNES JEFFREY Critical Care Paramedic $100,321.32 $205.92
Ornge IDE JAMES Critical Care Paramedic $112,894.56 $224.16
Ornge IZSAK NICOLE Critical Care Paramedic $104,109.41 $231.26
Ornge JACKSON MARK Critical Care Paramedic $102,119.66 $224.16
Ornge LANG TREVOR Critical Care Paramedic $101,974.05 $224.16
Ornge LAVERGNE NATALIE Critical Care Paramedic $112,044.40 $232.68
Ornge LAVOIE ROBBIN Regional Operation Manager $112,331.13 $231.48
Ornge LEE JONATHAN Critical Care Paramedic $112,304.54 $232.68
Ornge LEPINE THOMAS Chief Operation Officer $285,829.11 $19,099.04
Ornge LONGEWAY MICHAEL Advance Care Paramedic $114,189.17 $181.56
Ornge MALONE SIAN Advance Care Paramedic $118,854.83 $181.56
Ornge MARSHALL ROBERT Advance Care Paramedic $104,685.20 $205.92
Ornge MAYNARD DAVID Critical Care Paramedic $102,110.08 $224.16
Ornge MCARTHUR BRADLEY Critical Care Paramedic $109,169.87 $232.68
Ornge MCINTOSH ELISABETE Communication Officer $110,074.55 $582.91
Ornge MCLEISH SHAWN Critical Care Paramedic $118,227.76 $224.16
Ornge MCNAB SCOTT Critical Care Paramedic $127,900.82 $224.16
Ornge MEKIS ROBERT Critical Care Paramedic $130,351.23 $216.84
Ornge MELIS CHRISTIAN Operation Manager $110,490.95 $218.16
Ornge MIDDAUGH MATTHEW Critical Care Paramedic $110,991.47 $224.16
Ornge MILES JASON Advance Care Paramedic $103,238.49 $192.23
Ornge MOFFAT GREGOR Critical Care Paramedic $126,097.29 $232.68
Ornge NOBLE DAVID Communication Officer $103,010.61 $178.39
Ornge OAKE-VECCHIATO JOANNE Vice President, Clinical Affairs $161,855.77 $305.50
Ornge ONODERA DOUGLAS Critical Care Paramedic $123,369.24 $224.16
Ornge O'SHAUGHNESSY DAVID Critical Care Paramedic $124,041.29 $232.68
Ornge PENNER ARDEN Advance Care Paramedic $101,071.07 $190.71
Ornge PEVERE JASON Critical Care Paramedic $101,303.41 $205.48
Ornge PITSINIGAS ADAM Communication Officer $107,054.06 $169.02
Ornge POWELL MHARI Advance Care Paramedic $117,648.50 $157.24
Ornge PRITCHARD JODIE Critical Care Paramedic $112,814.44 $224.87
Ornge QUENNEVILLE DENNIS Critical Care Paramedic $107,426.92 $224.16
Ornge RASHOTTE MICHAEL Critical Care Paramedic $101,033.27 $211.50
Ornge RICE GLENN Critical Care Paramedic $124,081.15 $232.68
Ornge RITCHIE TODD Critical Care Paramedic $100,158.31 $224.16
Ornge ROBILLARD DAN Critical Care Paramedic $122,747.75 $224.16
Ornge RUSSELL CHRISTOPHER Program Manager, Special Operation $111,035.28 $218.16
Ornge RUTLEDGE SCOTT Critical Care Paramedic $101,010.55 $224.16
Ornge SAWADSKY BRUCE Chief Of Staff $225,842.38 $35,462.08
Ornge SHEWAN RONDA Critical Care Paramedic $101,475.72 $15,168.12
Ornge SOUCIE JEREMIAH Critical Care Paramedic $110,809.57 $232.68
Ornge STARCEVIC CHRISTINA Advance Care Paramedic $100,179.66 $181.56
Ornge STEARY DUGG Critical Care Paramedic $102,235.65 $224.16
Ornge STEINMAN MICHAEL Critical Care Paramedic $104,453.57 $224.16
Ornge STEPHEN ALAN Director, Ornge Communication Center $126,612.71 $0.00
Ornge STEVENS BRYAN Critical Care Paramedic $103,588.70 $224.16
Ornge ST-JEAN FRANCOIS Regional Operation Manager $119,450.45 $231.48
Ornge STOREY TREVOR Critical Care Paramedic $132,230.51 $205.92
Ornge TEED SEAN Critical Care Paramedic $105,941.48 $224.16
Ornge TELKY CHARLES Critical Care Paramedic $107,795.90 $224.16
Ornge TERANISHI ROBERT Critical Care Paramedic $125,891.07 $224.16
Ornge TREMBLAY MARC Manager, Medical Affairs $120,766.24 $522.08
Ornge TREMBLE MATTHEW Critical Care Paramedic $138,782.71 $224.16
Ornge VANHOUWELINGEN ROBERT Critical Care Paramedic $110,514.64 $224.16
Ornge VEILLEUX DARIN Advance Care Paramedic $107,583.21 $205.92
Ornge WADDEN DAVID Critical Care Paramedic $107,722.34 $224.16
Ornge WAGNER MARY Critical Care Paramedic $129,239.54 $229.13
Ornge WIEBE STEPHEN Advance Care Paramedic $105,831.46 $205.92
Ornge WILKIE SANDRA Acting Director, Ornge Communication Center $110,009.37 $220.13
Ornge WILLIAMS TARA Critical Care Paramedic $113,365.35 $224.16
Ornge WISMER JOHN Critical Care Paramedic $115,820.93 $231.97
Ornge YELLE RICHARD Manager, Medical Affairs $109,539.15 $454.33
Ornge ZANON PETER Critical Care Paramedic $138,244.15 $224.16

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double post

[Dr. Mcillicuddy]

Peter, thanks for the info, Ill bet the media has not got to this shit storm yet. what a f33333 rip off of the public. Bye the way, Hows Andy doing these days. DM

[Hedley]

It's great to see all the pilots on that list!

[Hedley]

"Exciting Careers at Ornge" they do not offer "flight crew" as a career path within the organization

Your post was funnier than mine.

Clearly management doesn't think pilots are very important, or that they need to do a very good job.

The Ornge pilots, in recognition of the above, should organize a month-long holiday of all of the pilots. The highly paid management shouldn't care very much, because what pilots do isn't important, is it? The highly paid management could maybe have some of the highly paid paramedics fly the plane. I'm sure that would work out well.

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http://www.ornge.ca/AboutOrnge/Document ... port09.pdf


Maple Flag.... according to this report they bought their own aircraft and hired their own pilots in order to keep cost down.