RCMP shoots man; court rules cops f**ked up

[Nark]

We know the RCMP are corrupt, but the Saskatoon PD as well?

You should really stop this cpl_atc before it gets out of hand...

[Moose47]

Hey Jarhead

He has OCD when it comes to dumping on cops.

Semper Fi

[BoostedNihilist]

I think it shows systemic rot in the system.

I always find it hilarious how people will bitch and bitch and bitch about dirty politicians.. but when there are dirty cops.. let's just sweep it under the rug and forget it ever happened.. wait.. something happened?

[rigpiggy]

Kind of like paedophile priests being shielded. No Nark, I am not comparing officers to pedo's, just paralleling the circle the wagons mentality

[ronjeremy]

I don't see where it says the court ruled the cop fucked up.

[Wilbur]

Doesn't need to, Corporal ATC just knows these things.

[Nark]

Yep.

Google "21 foot rule"

[ronjeremy]

cpl_atc... your arguments would carry a lot more weight if you didn't resort to name calling, ie "the ignorant cop". I've also read many responses of yours putting down people who voice a different opinion rather than actually debating them or making a rational argument. You're responses often come across as emotional rather than factual.

[Wilbur]

Think Corporal, think!! Cop comes out, sees a guy with a bat threatening to brain people with it. What should he do? Let the guy cave in someones skull on the premise he might be defending his property from tresspassers, or order the guy to drop the bat and then sort out what's going on? If the guy refuses the to drop the bat, should the cop assume the guy is legally smashing people or should he take action to stop the guy? The fact the shot guy was ultimately found not guilty of assault with a weapon does not mean the cop did anything wrong in shooting him. They are separate legal issues.

[ronjeremy]

Wilbur, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Troubleshot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[N181CS]

You guys are a little strange in your thought patterns. You sound like back woods Americans who never went to school and have never had to deal with the police in any real fashion. If anyone of you shot this guy you would be going to jail (as a pilot in command of an aircraft registered in Canada you are also Peace officers). Clearly police training in not antiquate enough to make life and death decisions. If they man had been holding a gun or knife then I could see his blunder but a bat, even the police consider the stick ( basically a steel pipe a bit thinner then a bat) a non lethal weapon for subduing a resisting offender. Bottom line wrong tool for the job, cops need stricter Rules Of Engagement. Their life is not more important then mine, they are PUBLIC SERVANTS and they work for me I do not serve them. This mentality of state first needs to go, you one of us or your a threat, it has no place in Canada.

The Government continues to lower their burden of proof and one day you will all have no rights you will need your papers on you at all times and will be subject to random search. ex. Look at the compulsory automobile act and the HTA. You need to have your papers on you or you are guilty of an offence. It used to be you had 24 hours to produce this document or you got a fine and if you have no insurance it got steeper. They still got you but now they just fine you and the sets a precedent for always having your papers on you. If you get your licence suspended they used to have to send it registered mail or have it hand delivered by a peace officer, now they just have to drop it in the regular mail and you can consider yourself served with no proof you ever got the mail or that they sent it, next up could be you lose your house by the bank just shoving a letter in the mail box. Stop standing up for the state and stand up for yourself, the state will never back you up and it does not need your back up.

[Troubleshot]

OK let me take a full swing at you with a baseball bat to the head, then (if your not dead...and after you heal) let me do the same with a police "stick"...we'll judge the difference in your injuries. Me I'd rather be hit with stick....my point is a baseball bat is a weapon.

[Wilbur]

Batons, whether wood or metal are NOT non-lethal weapons. Law enforcement agencies consider them less lethal weapons (ie; less lethal then a firearm) with rules and training about points on the body that can be hit with low risk of death or serious harm. They also both weigh one hell of a lot less than a baseball bat.

[Hot Fuel]

Judges get days, if not weeks to listen to witnesses, defendants, lawyers and the like spin their version of the story before he/she has to make a call one way or the other. The cop often gets seconds to the make the call.

[Nark]

Carried by six or tried by 12?

[N181CS]

Carried by six or tried by 12?

you should try to apply that theory in a court, see how far it gets you. I can tell you where it will get you... Jail. We the citizens are not allowed to make that call but some how they are.... With your Military background Nark one would think you too could make that call but up here in Canada it just does not cut it. Just because the police did it does not make it right. You wont get one ounce of sympathy from the courts with that line.

[Nark]

I think you can comprehend, I'm going out on a limb here tho.

You understood that the tried by 12 meant a jury. You got that much correct.

What you failed to understand was the carried by 6. That is a traditional amount of paul bearers at a funeral.



So ya, like you said, I'll take my chance in a court room.



Edited to add:

You are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself. Look it up in the Canada Criminal Code.

[shitdisturber]

OK let me take a full swing at you with a baseball bat to the head, then (if your not dead...and after you heal) let me do the same with a police "stick"...we'll judge the difference in your injuries. Me I'd rather be hit with stick....my point is a baseball bat is a weapon.

No you wouldn't. The "stick", riot control baton, call them what you will start out as a hardwood which I believe is then kiln dried to make them harder. During my military days while on a training exercise, the guy next to me accidentally clipped me with a glancing blow from the butt end of his baton just behind my ear. I ended up on the ground seeing stars and bleeding from a baton that probably only moved a foot or so before it got me. Maybe I was just unlucky and it got me in the wrong place, but it definitely left a mark.

[shitdisturber]

Judges get days, if not weeks to listen to witnesses, defendants, lawyers and the like spin their version of the story before he/she has to make a call one way or the other. The cop often gets seconds to the make the call.

Great. So let's forget about incompetent and poorly trained cops, and just shoot anyone where there's a reasonable suspicion of their intentions. The courts will sort it out later. That ought to work just great.

If the cops start doing that, you'd better watch your ass because you'll be one of the first ones they go after.

[ronjeremy]

They also consider 50,000 volt death-inducing tasers in the same class as batons and pepper spray, so forgive me if I don't pay much attention to how they classify weapons. They classify them according to their own double-standards, when it suits them to do so.

You just showed how little you actually know about police use of force. The Taser is not in the same "class" as batons and pepper spray. The RCMP addressed concerns raised by the public, the medical community and the RCMP's own studies and raised the Taser up the use of force continuum, it was in the news but did you not read it because it was a positive step by police?

And a firearm may be used when there is fear of death or grievous bodily harm, if you are trying to tell me someone being threatened with a baseball bat does not fear grievous then apparently you haven't seen the damage that can be done with one, I have, but hey, next time the police should give the man with the bat the benefit of the doubt, right? Maybe allow him to take at least 2 shots at the other person just to be sure?

[Wilbur]

There is nothing you can tell Corporal ATC about law enforcement. Other then the fact he has no education, training or experience in the law and its enforcement, he's an expert don't you know.

[Nark]

He is better educated than both of us Wilbur. He went to YouTube University.

[BoostedNihilist]

It's funny to watch warriors become pacifists.

[ronjeremy]

For one, I'm a police officer and well trained in use of force.

Police do not release details of an ongoing investigation because it is just that, an ongoing investigation. Often, by the time the investigation is done and all is finished the media has moved on, the drama is gone. Details are not given to the public because this is the first step in tainting any evidence that will be provided by police, witnesses and the victim. If the police release a piece of information that nobody else could possibly know unless they were there then you have just given up maybe the only thing that proves someone saw actually something. You also risk tainting people's memory by providing information, people begin to second guess what they saw or heard if they start to hear conflicting details. Also under the Privacy Act information can not be released in a lot of cases because it may identify the victim. This is not decided by police most of the time, but by courts if it goes that far.

Investigations are not black and white occurrences. There are always 3 stories, mine, yours and the truth. It's always going to be that way.

An allegation made in the media of taser misuse does not necessarily mean it has been misused. Has it happened? Sure it has. Will it happen again, regretfully it will. Does this mean all police are out to shock the hell out of someone, no. Do I think that those who do it maliciously should be out of a job, maybe, that's not for me to decide until I see the evidence and understand the specific situation for myself.